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When they are both out.
Forza 4 vs GT5 physics (read the first post before contributing)
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When they are both out.
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Shucks..
Now I have reason to pick up BOTH next-gen consoles. Provided GT6 is going to be released on the PS4 as well.
Unfortunately, prices are going to be skyhigh, so time will tell. Will probably pick up the Xbox One. Unless..
GT6 surpasses Forza 5.
Now I have reason to pick up BOTH next-gen consoles. Provided GT6 is going to be released on the PS4 as well.
Unfortunately, prices are going to be skyhigh, so time will tell. Will probably pick up the Xbox One. Unless..
GT6 surpasses Forza 5.
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I expect more of the same in GT6
Improved physics, more premiums and tracks, maybe some better body kits, more RM, but that's about it.
Also, even if GT6 is released near release of the PS4, GT6 probably won't be a ready workin tittle till the PS4 has dropped to half price. GT6 2.0 lol
Improved physics, more premiums and tracks, maybe some better body kits, more RM, but that's about it.
Also, even if GT6 is released near release of the PS4, GT6 probably won't be a ready workin tittle till the PS4 has dropped to half price. GT6 2.0 lol
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You put this same thread in a Forza-based forum site and Forza will win.
We all know it's true.
We all know it's true.
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That's not the point.
Forza is a far superior video game to GT5. But GT5 has the ability to portray realism at a much higher level when it is setup properly with ultra realism in mind. Forza cannot match that same level.
Btw that's the only area that GT5 is better then Forza. It's just not even in the same league when it comes to overall enjoyment.
I've thought about buying an Xbox for Forza alone but having 2 systems seems foolish to me. Better spent elsewhere.
If Forza was ever to come to the PS3 tho bye bye Gran Turismo and i don't care about what the fanboys think. Forza is the new apex game in the racing genre, GT5 is no longer.
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So what does that say about this section, then?
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You should know, you are an expert.
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I disagree. I got my PS3 first and my 360 afterwards, and despite FM4 and Forza Horizon being my only two games, my 360 still gets a ton of play time. Plus, I'm set for GT6 once it comes out. Having the best of both worlds is worth the money.
Especially since...
...this will never happen.
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I wish Forza would come to the PS3. Everything about the game is better then GT5. GT5 fanboys will deny deny all day but the fact is if they we're riding the other pole they would actually be right.
Plus T10 also having a game like Horizon is just a slap in the face to loyal GT players everywhere. It's quite comical.
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I guess we know which pole you're sitting on.
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Be careful there. You might blow your own mind when you figure out that same truth is your opinion.kingstang5oh
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I don't feel it is a slap in the face at all. Also did you know that Horizon wasn't made to be on the same level as Forza and GT? Totally different game man.
Like I said above, it's your opinion, not fact.
So, yeah.
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No, I don't. I reported you because you brought up the "F" word.
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No the slap in the face is that Turn 10 created a video game (Forza 4) that surpassed Gran Turismo and then not long after released a whole new open world version.
While it took PD 80% of the PS3's life to create 1 game (that wasn't even finished)
So let's do the math.
Turn 10 = 2 full games with heavy content
PD = 1 game that was basically in beta stage when released and took 2 years to finish.
Mismatch?
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You're just making a fool of yourself at this point.
Please, continue.
Please, continue.
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That was Playground Games. Turn 10 merely provided support & material for Playground Games to use.
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Ok, first off why are you even comparing GT5 to Forza Horizon? They are not even in the same category. Neither is Forza 4 to Forza Horizon.kingstang5oh
Great they made two great games. Cool, doesn't prove what you said was "truth" earlier.
Forza is a great game, with great physics. Who can deny the realism of Forza's tire and suspension model.
Hummmm. So what knowledge do you have on game development by the way?
So you are saying that just because PD only made one game it was a slap in the face to GT fans? That is your opinion that you came up with in your head. Hey if you are lucky, some may share this opinion with you. Guess what? It still doesn't make it fact.
If you still think it's fact, I want to see your findings on this subject. Maybe even a picture or video of PD slapping you in the face.
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No i am saying it is a slap in the face that it took PD an entire platforms life to create a shallow game while at the same time across the river another company pumped out 2 full games with 10x the content in less time.
Listen man i love Gran Turismo and have been playing it since 1997. All i'm saying is that the series got left behind and passed within a couple years by a rival platform and it has given people a reason to forget about GT.
Anyways hopefully GT6 is a deep game. Which usually the second game on each platform is.
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I now fully realize you are a true expert.
Sorry for my previous sarcasm.
Only true expert would present absolute subjective and personal opinion as an universal fact and defend it accordingly.
Especially on the topic where there is no rational or objective definitive answer.
I will follow your posts very closely now, I think I may learn something new. Thank you for hour invaluable insight and contribution to this thread so far, much appreciated 👍
Sorry for my previous sarcasm.
Only true expert would present absolute subjective and personal opinion as an universal fact and defend it accordingly.
Especially on the topic where there is no rational or objective definitive answer.
I will follow your posts very closely now, I think I may learn something new. Thank you for hour invaluable insight and contribution to this thread so far, much appreciated 👍
This is the physics thread, guys, not the "overall" thread.
And Lock2Lock, I think Horizon is worth mentioning because I'll come out and say it -- it simulates things that GT5 doesn't. Like rear wheel torque steer on a powerful RWD car, for an easy example (the same as Scaff's "Shelby Cobra" test). It also shares other advantages from FM4, to the point that it feels like more of a simulator than Forza Motorsport 3. Beyond that, it improved a couple things over FM4.
Apart from the generous limits of grip, Horizon is one of the best simulators around (like FM4). It's sad to see it kicked to the side because Playground played to a particular audience.
Given the context, I think that's the point to take away here.
And Lock2Lock, I think Horizon is worth mentioning because I'll come out and say it -- it simulates things that GT5 doesn't. Like rear wheel torque steer on a powerful RWD car, for an easy example (the same as Scaff's "Shelby Cobra" test). It also shares other advantages from FM4, to the point that it feels like more of a simulator than Forza Motorsport 3. Beyond that, it improved a couple things over FM4.
Apart from the generous limits of grip, Horizon is one of the best simulators around (like FM4). It's sad to see it kicked to the side because Playground played to a particular audience.
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Wow, you blew my mind! I never thought about it that way before! Oh man!
I have a personal question: do you drive a vehicle that has a 2.2l 4cyl engine which is located at the front and is also FWD?
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Yeah I hear you. I haven't been able to play Forza Horizon. I sold my Xbox and my wheel because of a horrible experience with Microsoft. In result I probably will never buy any console from them again.
So I am missing out on Horizon.
Yeah I know about the rear wheel torque steer test that Scaff has shown. I know the only way for that to happen is by applying say comfort hard tires, and stretching out the gears. Which neither should have to be done to simulate that. Hopefully with the new tire/physics model in GT6 with simulate that.
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Why does this discredit Horizon, rather than pointing out how much work GT5 needs? You can't use something Horizon and GRID 2 do correctly as evidence that they're equally or similarly wrong. All it means is they both do at least one thing right.
Anyway, the reason I selected that particular maneuver is because it's very easy to test objectively. It's not the only thing Horizon holds over GT5 -- the balance of under/oversteer is closer to reality, especially in MR/RR cars and abrupt throttle lift situations; the tire model is grippier than FM4's but incorporates the same details of width, wheel weight, and tire deformation; and high speeds have a pronounced aerodynamic effect, buffeting and bobbing the nose around if you're driving an old "wedge" or "brick" of a car.
It's no more of an "arcade" racer than Gran Turismo and Forza have always been. All three -- FM4, GT5, and Horizon -- have weaknesses and strengths.
This particular facet of low-speed handling is one of the things I'll be watching for in GT6 previews/videos. If it's fixed, PD will have my attention.
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I agree, it was not my intention to discredit anything.
All I was saying is how some other "arcade" games are doing some things *better* then "simulation" games.
We can't have everything really. But I hope incoming generation will deliver much more towards actual tyre and damper simulation.
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