Forza Horizon 5: General Discussion

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The thing that is most irritating is that some people are taking the effort creating some really fun and impressive things through the eventlab but PG would prefer to highlight garbage like this week for no good reason... (Other than because a semi-popular youtuber made it)
 
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I did the Eventlab last night. I wholeheartedly agree with the comments on here, it's bloody awful. Terrible track, terrible choice of car and the fact the AI can't finish the lap is ridiculous.
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I was watching AR12 Nick's stream and he was surprised to see his track there. He said this was made in december, his first try and it is not great. They could have chosen way better ones he created since then.
 
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I saw that video too, and question why PG couldn't have just chosen his other tracks that were updated/better. Although, in spite of that, at least it was a quick and easy completion hehehe!
 
INEEDNAWZZZ
I already didn’t like AR12 Nick for a variety of reasons. His EventLab creation has not helped sway that opinion in his favour.
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To be fair, he mentioned in a recent video that this was his first ever track, created back in December 2021, and he apologized while having no clue why PG chose it.


Also, like others I'm really happy for the DBX. Horizon is the perfect place to mess around with silly expensive SUVs and this one fits right in. Now if only they would get us the Cullinan :D
 
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As I suspected, the VW Pickup is a fun vehicle to play around with. I’ve built a racer that I’ve used to win B-class online racing series.
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I’ve built an A-class rally truck. (Only mid-pack so far, but I’m working on it.)
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A drifter. (I suck at drifting, but this is still fun to toss around.)
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It’s even fun totally stock.
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And yes, I put wood-grain paneling on them. It’s from 1982 after all.
 
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Very nice bud. You've beaten me to wood panels on the van, I'm still messing about trying to do something I like with a wood panel design.
 
Hey all. I'm curious to see peoples opinion of the FH5 Car Pass now that it has finished. Obviously we still will get series reward cars for the foreseeable future like FH4 did, but the paid cars on top of the series rewards will stop on July 7th.

Do you think it was worth the money? If so why?

If not, why not? What would types of cars would you have liked to see more of? Older cars? Newer cars? Euro, JDM or American?

Here is the full list of the FH5 Car Pass - sorted by manufacturer. Just to give your brain a quick refresher.

  • 2021 Aston Martin DBX (Car Pass Week 32 - June 23rd)
  • 2020 Audi RS3 Sedan (Car Pass Week 29 - June 2nd)
  • 2018 Audi RS5 Coupe (Car Pass Week 30 - June 9th)
  • 2018 Audi TT RS (Car Pass Week 11 - January 27th)
  • 2020 BMW M8 Competition (Car Pass Week 28 - May 26th)
  • 2008 Dodge Magnum SRT8 (Car Pass Week 27 - May 19th)
  • 2019 Ferrari Monza SP2 (Car Pass Week 5 - December 16th)
  • 2018 Ferrari FXX K EVO (Car Pass Week 10 - January 20th)
  • 2017 Ferrari #25 Corse Clienti 488 Challenge (Car Pass Week 19 - March 24th)
  • 2017 Ferrari J50 (Car Pass Week 4 - December 9th)
  • 2003 Ford F-150 SVT Lightning (Car Pass Week 24 - April 28th)
  • 1986 Ford Mustang SVO (Car Pass Week 16 - March 3rd)
  • 2020 Formula Drift #91 BMW M2 (Day One FD Car Pass DLC)
  • 2020 Formula Drift #151 Toyota GR Supra (Day One FD Car Pass DLC)
  • 2019 Formula Drift #99 Mazda RX-8 (Day One FD Car Pass DLC)
  • 2019 Formula Drift #411 Toyota Corolla (Day One FD Car Pass DLC)
  • 2017 Formula Drift #357 Chevrolet Corvette (Day One FD Car Pass DLC)
  • 1995 Formula Drift #34 Toyota Supra MK4 (Day One FD Car Pass DLC)
  • 2014 Forsberg Racing Nissan “SafariZ” 370Z Safari Rally Tribute (Car Pass Week 25 - May 5th)
  • 2010 Forsberg Racing Toyota Gumout 2JZ Camry Stock Car (Day One FD Car Pass DLC)
  • 1975 Forsberg Racing Nissan 'Gold Legend' Datsun 280Z (Day One FD Car Pass DLC)
  • 1993 Jaguar XJ220S TWR (Car Pass Week 9 - January 13th)
  • 1966 Jaguar XJ13 (Car Pass Week 8 - January 6th)
  • 2020 Lamborghini Huracan EVO (Car Pass Week 7 - December 30th)
  • 1973 Lamborghini Espada 400 GT (Car Pass Week 6 - December 23rd)
  • 2020 Lexus RC-F Track Edition (Car Pass Week 33 - June 30th)
  • 1992 Mazda 323GTR (Car Pass Week 13 - February 11th)
  • 2021 McLaren 620R (Car Pass Week 21 - April 7th)
  • 1970 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler (Car Pass Week 3 - December 2nd)
  • 2005 MG X Power SV (Car Pass Week 15 - February 25th)
  • 2021 MINI John Cooper Works GP (Car Pass Week 22 - April 14th)
  • 2019 Nissan 370Z NISMO (Car Pass Week 34 - July 7th)
  • 2006 Noble M400 (Car Pass Week 18 - March 17th)
  • 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado (Car Pass Week 20 - March 31st)
  • 2019 Porsche 911 Speedster (Car Pass Week 23 - April 21st)
  • 2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic (Car Pass Week 12 - February 4th)
  • 1968 Renault 8 Gordini (Car Pass Week 2 - November 25th)
  • 2019 Subaru WRX STi S209 (Car Pass Week 1 - November 18th)
  • 2020 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro (Car Pass Week 17 - March 10th)
  • 2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro (Car Pass Week 26 - May 12th)
  • 2019 Volkswagen Golf R (Car Pass Week 14 - February 18th)
  • 1982 Volkswagen Pickup LX (Car Pass Week 31 - June 16th)
FH5 Car Pass Breakdown

  • 41 New to Forza vehicles (up from 33 in FH4’s Car Pass)
  • 1 Returning to Forza vehicle (down from 9 in FH4’s Car Pass)
  • 12 Japanese vehicles, 23 European vehicles, 7 American vehicles
  • 27 Vehicles from 2010 onwards, 15 Vehicles from pre-2010s. (Compared to a 18/24 split in FH4)
  • Only 11 vehicles from pre-2000. (down from 19 in FH4)
 
willbsn13
Hey all. I'm curious to see peoples opinion of the FH5 Car Pass now that it has finished
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My feelings are mixed. I felt as if the car pass was too heavily populated by upgraded versions of cars already in the game (Huracan EVO, XJ220S TWR, Subaru S209, FXX-K EVO, RC-F Track Edition, TT-RS, McLaren 620R, 2019 Golf R, 370Z Nismo, 911 Speedster). I do think these cars belong in the game, but frankly, having them as paid content when Festival Playlist exists seems a little bit of a letdown to me.

I also think that the theming of covering certain manufacturers was odd too. The Audi RS3 and TT-RS, while I love them both, are remarkably similar, so I think it's odd they put both in the car pass. I also felt that they have been leaning WAY too much on Ferrari this time around...in all aspects. The new Ferraris are great, but they're making such a big deal of adding Ferraris through Festival Playlist that were in FH4 and should have been in FH5 from the getgo.

That's a theme I'm seeing regularly here...PG is adding cars through Festival Playlist that should have been and could have been in the game from day 1.

There are plenty of highlights in the car pass though that save it. The DBX, JCW GP, F150 SVT Lightning, Cyclone Spoiler, Olds Toronado, Dodge Magnum, VW Caddy, all the Toyotas, Lambo Espada, MG X Power, Noble M400, M8 Comp, Jag XJ13, Renault 8 Gordini, and pretty much everything else are prime car pass picks and all have been at the top of my list for a good while. The ones that are not just upgraded models are very good picks that honestly save this car pass. The fact that the 911 Sport Classic is the only non-new-to-Forza model in the pass is an added plus. And, even though I question the reliance on certain manufacturers, the Audis, Toyotas, and frankly the new Ferraris too were good options to pad out the car list a bit.

TL;DR, many of the car pass cars should have been Festival Playlist cars; many of the Festival Playlist cars should have been in the game from the getgo. Forza Horizon 5 has probably the weakest launch car list in the series since FM5 (in my opinion), and 7 months later, I still think it's still quite weak overall. The Car Pass, while having some good picks, doesn't scratch that itch quite all the way for me.
 
willbsn13
Hey all. I'm curious to see peoples opinion of the FH5 Car Pass now that it has finished.
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Cant see any reason to buy it, other than as free addition to expansions:
1)I don't understand why PG adding so much actually new cars with Playlist updates and so many refreshes with Carpass. I am not saying its a bad thing, just don't make sense.
2)FH4 Car pass was 41+FDPack, FH5 is 41 including FDPack. Not that great.
3)Why they keep adding trims for existing generations of cars and ignoring obvious choices like GenII/GenV1/2 Mustang, 901 Porsche and Gallardo Gen1?
4)There are some great additions like Magnum, XJ13, DBX, new Ferraris and M8.
 
willbsn13
Hey all. I'm curious to see peoples opinion of the FH5 Car Pass now that it has finished.
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To answer the most simple question: do I feel that it was worth the money: yes I do :)

Could it have been better? Of course. But Playground/Turn10 always need to find a balance. My main thing is that I would have probably preferred to have 'normal' cars instead of those 8 Formula Drift cars. Maybe a couple more classic cars instead.

Some of my standout favourites are the Ferrari J50 (I know it's a rebodied 488 Spider, but it looks so good..), Jaguar XJ13, Lamborghini Espada, MG X Power SV, Noble M400 and the only returning car: the 911 Sport Classic.

In addition, for me DLC also has the purpose of keeping a car list somewhat up to date and the car pass definitely delivered on that front with the Aston Martin DBX, the 3 Audis, BMW M8, Huracan Evo and the Toyotas just to name a few.

All in all, I have to say they did well.
 
willbsn13
Hey all. I'm curious to see peoples opinion of the FH5 Car Pass now that it has finished.
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In my opinion a Car Pass DLC should be something optional that doesn't force players into buying it. And I think they did a good job in FH5. You don't miss much if you don't buy it but you still get enough for the money if you get it.

Actually the Pass is very similar to the entire FH5 experience. It has a lot of cool things but overall it feels similar to content we already can experience. And with the HW expansion this trend continues.

Despite all this I think FH5 Car Pass is the best one I paid in Forza games so far.
 
Overall I'm fairly happy with the car pass selection.

Favorites (as in, these I actually use a lot):

Audi RS3
Audi RS5
Audi TT RS
BMW M8
Jaguar XJ220S TWR
Jaguar XJ13
Lamborghini Huracan EVO
Lamborghini Espada 400 GT
MG X Power SV
Porsche 911 Speedster
Porsche 911 Sport Classic
Renault 8 Gordini

Dislike:

Ferrari Monza SP2
Ferrari FXX K EVO
Ferrari #25 Corse Clienti 488 Challenge
Ferrari J50
Forsberg Racing Nissan “SafariZ” 370Z Safari Rally Tribute (add couple lights, paint the hood black and call it a Safari Rally tribute? :lol:)
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Others were more or less ok. Some were great additions, such as the F-150 SVT Lightning and Magnum SRT8, but just didn't get all that much use after all.

Still looking forward to test the Aston Martin DBX and Lexus RC-F Track Edition.
 
willbsn13
Hey all. I'm curious to see peoples opinion of the FH5 Car Pass now that it has finished. Obviously we still will get series reward cars for the foreseeable future like FH4 did, but the paid cars on top of the series rewards will stop on July 7th.

Do you think it was worth the money? If so why?

If not, why not? What would types of cars would you have liked to see more of? Older cars? Newer cars? Euro, JDM or American?
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The content of this Car Pass literally fills in the gaps that Forza has when it comes to car selection. Although a lot of them are mostly cars from the past 6 years, there is still a bunch of good additions that no racing games for the past 5 years even tried to put in, like the Dodge Magnum and Volkswagen Pickup LX. Here's a text-based tier list of all the cars in the Car Pass.

S-Tier
  • 2008 Dodge Magnum SRT-8
  • 2006 Noble M400
  • 2005 MG XPower SVR
  • 2019 Toyota Tacoma TRD-Pro
  • 1967 Renault 8 Gordini
  • 2003 Ford F-150 SVT Lightning
  • 2021 Aston Martin DBX

A-Tier
  • 1986 Ford Mustang SVO
  • 2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic
  • 1970 Mercury Cyclone Spoiler
  • 2019 Subaru WRX STI S209
  • 1973 Lamborghini Espada 400 GT
  • 2020 Lexus RC F Track Edition
  • 2021 McLaren 620R
  • 2019 Porsche 911 Speedster
  • 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado
  • 2019 Ferrari Monza SP2
  • 2018 Audi RS 5
  • 2020 Audi RS 3 Sedan
  • 2020 BMW M8 Competition
  • 1993 Jaguar XJ220 TWR
  • 1966 Jaguar XJ13
  • Everything in the Formula Drift Car Pack
  • 2020 Toyota Tundra TRD Pro
  • 2021 Mini Cooper JCW GP

B-Tier
  • 2019 Ferrari FXX-K Evo
  • 2020 Lamborghini Huracan Evo
  • 2018 Audi TT RS
  • 2017 #25 Corse Clienti Ferrari 488 Challenge
  • 2019 Ferrari J50

C-Tier/Better off as Festival Playlist Rewards
  • 2019 Volkswagen Golf R
  • 2014 Forsberg Racing Nissan "SafariZ" 370Z Safari Rally Tribute
 
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I think the pass was quite good. better than FH4 that I can remember.

favorites:

2018 Audi RS5 Coupe (Car Pass Week 30 - June 9th)

· 2018 Audi TT RS (Car Pass Week 11 - January 27th)

· 2020 BMW M8 Competition (Car Pass Week 28 - May 26th)

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· 2019 Ferrari Monza SP2 (Car Pass Week 5 - December 16th)

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· 2017 Ferrari J50 (Car Pass Week 4 - December 9th)

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· 1966 Jaguar XJ13 (Car Pass Week 8 - January 6th)

· 2020 Lamborghini Huracan EVO (Car Pass Week 7 - December 30th)

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· 2019 Nissan 370Z NISMO (Car Pass Week 34 - July 7th) (still needs to be driven)

· 2006 Noble M400 (Car Pass Week 18 - March 17th)

· 2019 Porsche 911 Speedster (Car Pass Week 23 - April 21st)

· 2010 Porsche 911 Sport Classic (Car Pass Week 12 - February 4th)

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· 2019 Volkswagen Golf R (Car Pass Week 14 - February 18th)
 
So what time does the S9 update drop?

now apparently.



General

  • Added new localization languages
  • Added Subtitles for Danish, Greek, Dutch, Norwegian, Swedish, Finnish, European Portuguese
  • Added Voice Over for European Spanish, Italian, Korean
  • Added new Forza EV Rivals event
  • Added Horizon Story Co-op
  • Added TAA option when playing on PC
  • Various stability and performance improvements
  • Fixed issue where hood and bumper cam was too dark during dusk and night time of days
  • In Series 9, the Accolade “It Just Works” now unlocks as intended once players have completed the Car Mastery skill tree on the 1963 Volkswagen Beetle. Players who already fulfilled this requirement prior to this update will need to select and drive the car to successfully unlock the Accolade.
  • All players will now see their Creative Hub rank increase as intended.
Exploits

  • Fixed exploit when using Photo Mode
  • Fixed exploit with gifted cars
Festival Playlist

  • Fixed issue where players could lose Daily Challenge progress
Online

  • Fixed rare issue where players matchmaking for Co-op Seasonal Championship can result in a player entering the wrong event
  • Fixed issue which could end up in wrong car class in an online race
  • Fixed issue which could cause Horizon Arcade events to not spawn
  • Fixed issue where players in a convoy could end up not seeing all other members of the convoy
Cars

  • Added a duplicate car filter to Car Select screen filters
  • Added Freeroam convertible functionality to Ferrari California T and McLaren 650 S Spider
  • Updated Volvo's logo
  • Fixed idle RPM on the 93 Nissan 240SX SE
  • Removed Forza Aero Splitter from the Maserati MC12
  • Fixed 97 Lamborghini Diablo engine audio when at high RPM
  • Fixed issue with Audi RS4 Avant and 2011 RS5 interior cockpit dash
  • Fixed misaligned backfires on the Mercedes C63 AMG when using the Liberty Walk body kit
EventLab

  • Added Car Horns from Series 6 and 7 to EventLab
  • Added Orbit Cam option
  • Added stepped rotation
  • Added new camera speed options
  • Fixed an issue where players entering EventLab events with a full convoy could get disconnected
  • Fixed an issue where the stadium floor wouldn't load when starting an event nearby
  • Fixed an issue where props could remain in Freeroam
  • Fixed Rule Importing only showing events with Custom Routes
  • Fixed an issue with one of the flood lights which would appear invisible when placed
 
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TAA is worse than no AA so I won't ever be using that.

As for the latest update datamining, I think the pictures of the Hot Wheels map are already out there so I won't bother putting them here. I can't see anything too interesting in the files besides the fact they've added some new sounds for the HW cars (and what seems to be a new recording specific to the Nismo 370Z), and a couple of pics that will be used in the UI on both games. The Schuppan is the only car I really care about in this DLC so it was nice to see a couple of in-game shots in there:
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The Car Pass was pretty underwhelming for me. I have almost zero interest in supercars/exotics and it seemed like they focused more on that than anything else. Of the interesting cars they put on the list, I was pretty disappointed with the customization options they offered for them.

Unless Forza Horizon 6 takes a wildly different direction, I think I might hold off on the series for a bit.
 
For the Car Pass here my tierlist. A lot of my favourites are added in this Car Pass, especially the XJ13, the SP2, the M8, the 323 and some niche supercars like the X-POWER and the Noble 400... lots of goodies.

I Don't Care
Aston Martin DBX
Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro
Toyota Tundra TRD Pro
Forsberg 370
Volkswagen Golf R

C-Tier
Dodge Magnum SRT
Ford Mustang STO
Ferrari 488 Challenge Evo
Mercury Cyclone Spolier
Mclaren 620R
Volkswagen Pickup
All FD Cars

B-Tier
Ferrari FFX-K Evo
Ferrari J50
Lexus RC F Track Edition
Mini JCW GP
Porsche 911 Speedster
Subaru STI 209

A-Tier
Audi RS3 Sedan
Audi RS5 Coupé
Audi TT RS Coupé
Ford F150 SVT Lightining
Nissan 370 Nismo
Porsche 911 Sport Classic
Renault 8 Gordini

S-Tier
BMW M8
Ferrari Monza SP2
Jaguar XJ13
Jaguar XK220 TWR
Lamborghini Espada
Lamborghini Huracan Evo
Mazda 323 Familia
MG X-Power SV
Noble M400
Oldsmobile Toronado

EDIT: i didn't know they have put the Schuppan Porsche in HW Expansion... OH MY GODNESS, MOAR 90'S supercars please ^^
 
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AutumnalGlow
It really heavily depends on the implementation. Car Mechanic Simulator? Terrible. Gran Turismo 7? Really good. FH5 lands comfortably just below or right next to GT7 in my opinion.
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GT7 still has extremely visible artefacts from TAA, there’s pretty much no way to get a clean image from it. As far as I’m concerned there is no good TAA.
 
Love the discussion on the car pass, have to say I agree with a lot of the points being made, especially around slight car variants being added, too many Audis/Ferraris/FD cars etc. Still better than FH4's car pass IMO.

Anyway, Series 10 in FH5 will be called Horizon X

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willbsn13
Love the discussion on the car pass, have to say I agree with a lot of the points being made, especially around slight car variants being added, too many Audis/Ferraris/FD cars etc. Still better than FH4's car pass IMO.

Anyway, Series 10 in FH5 will be called Horizon X

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I wonder what new race branding is about, I assume something to do with Hot Wheels.
 

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