Forza Motorsport 4 - General Discussion
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I'll see if I can find the video.. I 100% saw 'a video' that showed this feature when it launched, I remember trying it on the game immediately afterwards with a bit of a chuckle as it magically righted itself..
Unless it was a review or other video and someone had struck on a 'bug' that was being construed as purposeful, it was a year ago!!!
Can you find the source for the bug being admitted? I'd just like to read it to make sure we are on about the same thing!
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- tribolik
That was the question someone placed in the forum before f1 2011 was release (if they had incorporated that aid again) and Targa answered that it was an unexpected feature physics related and was not intended (to me that sounds like a bug) though he didnt really use the word bug and that in f1 2011 the cars behave as expected... so I guessed the way the cars handled and that correct the spin issue could only be related to center pivot physics.
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Still fail to see the connection though, from spin recovery to center pivot physics. I don't know how can you explain that from that angle, it seem just as likely to be a bug with 4 point physics.
In this day and age center pivot is more a limitation then a good short cut, if they had gone to the trouble of simulating load, tire heat and wear on individual wheels there's little point to use such an antique model.
In this day and age center pivot is more a limitation then a good short cut, if they had gone to the trouble of simulating load, tire heat and wear on individual wheels there's little point to use such an antique model.
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- tribolik
It wasnt a spin recovery... damn if it was a spin recovery guimmick dont you think they would had an off/on option... it was an unexpected feature old f1 2010 physics related... I also admit I might be wrong about the center point physics in that game but from what I learned in school (physics wise) it is what makes more sence to me...
Who says they simulated load , tire heat and wear???? it all script from what I recently read on the forums... some users made the experience... race starts - tire cold - one two laps - warms up - drive at safety car speed and tire remains hot... safety car deployd and tire magicly gets cold... drive slow in race conditions tire wears the same... its script
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I'm really not commenting on how they modelled the physics, I'm asking a question if it feels at all like that, which it has the appearance of doing for me.
Not having tried the demo or game, I just wanted to get opinion from people who have, to see if anyone else felt the same.
I guess the simple (on topic) answer you could have given was 'No'?
anyone else?
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Nothing about the five cars in the demo leads me to believe they are rotating around a fixed point.
In fact the whole feel of four tyres and the yaw centre of the cars working to determine the point of rotation is excellently done (keep in mind that cars DO rotate around a point - its just that point is not fixed and is constantly moving).
http://www.ozebiz.com.au/racetech/theory/yawaxis.html
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- tribolik
This isnt a game made by "Codemasters". This isnt Grid or Dirt or TOCA.Those games rotate on a center axis.
An F1 2010 was based on the same physics engine from Grid...
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- Tetsumura
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I didn't ever get a strong impression of that in Forza 3 while racing, in my brief six weeks of playing it, like I did in rFactor. But it was apparent watching drifting. Once I got invited into a race in which I was trailing some knot-head who decided to drift instead, and it looked like an invisible giant hand was simply twisting the car left and right. Not being a drift fan, I tossed it off, and succeeded in taking us both out trying to shoot past him in a turn.
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And your proud you tossed him off are you D? 8^)
Odd that it's not on the official track list (yet) at forzamotorsport.net.
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It is... And I kinda get his point.
To a certain degree, it looks like the cars in FM4 are pivoting around a central point when you're in chase cam and the car starts to yaw, slip and slide slightly. This is probably caused by the chase cam being slightly 'elastic' and not 100% fixed to the car.
So, when the rear end is sliding out a bit through a corner, it can result in looking like that a bit.
I've never felt anything of that while driving, though, much unlike Shift 2 Unleashed, which seemed to do that. However, this sort of impression wears of pretty fast when you're looking at a car in chase cam that doesn't slide the rear end out. The STI in the demo is a fine example. You might get that notion from the RWD cars a few times throughout a lap, but it doesn't happen anywhere near as much with the AWD Subie, which doesn't slide the rear end out until you're provoking it.
I caught myself having that impression once or twice myself, but at the end of the day, it's just the flexible chase cam and a bit of yaw/sliding that's playing tricks on your mind, in my opinion.
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Well, it's clearly evident to me in that every car I drive feels like it's on a central pivot and doesn't feel planted to the ground on four tyres. I don't know what else I can say, but it's blatantly apparent to me. Even more so in the replays where you can see the cars doing exactly that, gliding and sliding around corners like there is a stake driven through the car and into the ground. The tyres are not in contact with the road in a realistic way.
I don't want to be down on Shift 2 as it's does so many things right and has great potential, but in the end the shambolic and un-patched control sensitivities and slightly odd feel to the driving physics (imo) killed it for me.
I've got the PS3 version, which is generally considered to be the worst of the bunch. From what I've seen the PC version looks much better and, with a patch, probably plays a whole lot better.
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Just a heads up for those that pre-ordered the FM4 LE from Best Buy, there is a good chance you won't get one. I pre-ordered my copy on July 25th and I just got an email that they can't fulfill my order 
But, if I pre-order the regular version with BB, I get a $20 gift card and 1,600 MS points, so I'm going to do that.
Jerome
But, if I pre-order the regular version with BB, I get a $20 gift card and 1,600 MS points, so I'm going to do that.
Jerome
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Just a heads up for those that pre-ordered the FM4 LE from Best Buy, there is a good chance you won't get one. I pre-ordered my copy on July 25th and I just got an email that they can't fulfill my order
But, if I pre-order the regular version with BB, I get a $20 gift card and 1,600 MS points, so I'm going to do that.
Jerome
Well THAT certainly took a dump on top of my already terrible Friday. I really hope turn ten didnt drop the ball. Is the gift card one of those you have to come back to use? As in cant put it towards the LE.Man I am hoping its just a small amount of stores.
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Amazon must be out too:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0050SYQLG/?tag=gtplanet-20
$240 for a new one, $5222 for a used one. Something is fishy with the inventory.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0050SYQLG/?tag=gtplanet-20
$240 for a new one, $5222 for a used one. Something is fishy with the inventory.
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