Forza Motorsport 7: General Pre-Release Discussion

[Speedster911]

irrelevant to this, but revelant to your music in-game:
if any of you guys don't know it, there is a handy little free app called "Simple Background Music Player". you pick a usb, make a directory called "Xbox Music Library", stuff it with your .mp3's, plug it in, and you're golden. controls from dash blade too.

I believe this app went public last year and many of us were talking about it here...

 

[bf3]

Oh yeah,i have more than "few" of PJ paints as well

 

[PJTierney]

Oh yeah,i have more than "few" of PJ paints as well

I'm nearing 100,000 total downloads now, so I must be doing something right. Not bad for somebody who isn't a YouTube celebrity (Don Joewon's just passed 1 million) and does minimal promotion

If the Storefront exists in a good form in Forza Motorsport 7 I'll port my work over of course

 

[bf3]

I'm nearing 100,000 total downloads now, so I must be doing something right. Not bad for somebody who isn't a YouTube celebrity (Don Joewon's just passed 1 million) and does minimal promotion

If the Storefront exists in a good form in Forza Motorsport 7 I'll port my work over of course

And make limited paint for us

Watched ForzaFriday yesterday,Ekberg was streaming from new(old) nice studio,so much more space than in last one,seems they gonna have much more fun there

 

[PJTierney]

 

[Ak1504]

I hope they do a Forza 7 launch stream. I really enjoyed the Forza 6 one.

 

[mrPetros]

is tier 11 still top tier?
upon game's first boot, vip+top tier+ultimate bonuses drop is like a small holiday
hmm, I think maybe I'll have to contact Helios to fix a couple of achievements that won't unlock for me

 

[bf3]

Off topic: Since we at it..I have weird problem - on PC Horizon achievements not unlocking,i.e. if i do Forzathon and im do what needs to be done to get lets say Porshe,i never get it,on XB1 its not a problem-message straight away that i won it.Any ideas?

 

[PJTierney]

I hope they do a Forza 7 launch stream. I really enjoyed the Forza 6 one.

Knowing Turn 10 they'll do a 12 hour stream the day the Ultimate Edition launches

is tier 11 still top tier?
upon game's first boot, vip+top tier+ultimate bonuses drop is like a small holiday
hmm, I think maybe I'll have to contact Helios to fix a couple of achievements that won't unlock for me

I think 11 is still the highest Tier, but when Forza Motorsport 6 launched they added a new Tier on top of what they already had. They'll probably do the same again this time.

 

[mrPetros]

As long as I get top-tier rewards on launch day, they can add whatever they want after that
If 11 will be top the day f7 launches, I wont bother Helios to fix my game. If not though...!!!!

@bf3 they never unlock or they take time to pop? for the latter, has happened to me. the former, I dont know

 

[bf3]

As long as I get top-tier rewards on launch day, they can add whatever they want after that
If 11 will be top the day f7 launches, I wont bother Helios to fix my game. If not though...!!!!

@bf3 they never unlock or they take time to pop? for the latter, has happened to me. the former, I dont know

Never Dont want to do off topic (asked here only because saw recent posts).

Knowing FM7 release date,time is very slow now,but at least its few months away,not like 1y.I even ordered new TV (4K HDR)as my pc monitor,so i can be ready

 

[Pillo-san]

Nothing new, but in anticipation for Forza 7 Digital foundry has released a new video.

 

[mrPetros]

ok, even if this is basically a tribute to turn10 technical prowess,
I couldn't help myself not burst into laughter
"How to do 4k with a 970:
step 1: overclock the 970 by 200mHZ.."
LOL

also the fact that digital foundry could not find a better setting than forza's automated setting, thats great to hear.
IF all games were like that, maybe I'd play on pc more

 

[Ak1504]

4K with 3,5GB Ram... My 780 with 3GB was the bottleneck in Horizon 3 in 1080p lol...

 

[mrPetros]

4K with 3,5GB Ram... My 780 with 3GB was the bottleneck in Horizon 3 in 1080p lol...

I'm betting that other than the gpu o/c, their cpu/mobo wont be par to the gpu, but more towards top of the line
also, if you check ~1:05 on, they seem to also alter the resolution "custom resolutions and other hacks"
LOL

 

[Pillo-san]

Well like you said they used the dynamic forza settings.

At 1080p with too high reflection and shadow quality you will eat up lots of vram, especially on a pre-maxwell gpu that doesn't use memory compression with tile rendering, something that took everybody by surprise when they announced maxwell used it in their desktop gpus.

For Forza on pc they did not use any software to force custom resolution.

 

[mrPetros]

btw, was this 4k with 4k textures?
also, he puts it exactly how it is -like a perfect definition- for pc gaming:
"Struggling, battling with the settings, is part of the fun!"
For those that the bolded is ..true, well, pc it is.

 

[Pillo-san]

btw, was this 4k with 4k textures?
also, he puts it exactly how it is -like a perfect definition- for pc gaming:
"Struggling, battling with the settings, is part of the fun!"
For those that the bolded is ..true, well, pc it is.

Well they can only use what ever is included in the forza horizon/apex as they are UWP titles, so if there are 4k assets the game will of course use it.
About the settings and such, well I am a pc user and I can only give you my biased opinion.

On pc you are given options, something the consoles often lacks entirely. You want highest fps even more than 60? Sure, select lower settings.
You want maximum quality but at the cost of smoothness, sure select the highest quality settings. You dont care? Either select auto or let a third party program like the Nvidia Geforce experience choose the best settings for you. AMD has probably something similar.

The thing that we can agree on is that consoles today are actually pcs without that many options, as you at both pc and consoles need to install the game and even download updates which take time. That is why I left console gaming when ps3 and xbox360 ruled out there.

With steam, ump and other clients like that pc is becoming more and more like consoles and consoles have since one generation ago became pc.
Both experience performance slowdowns and problems, but with pc you can mend it

Oh yeah and the most important thing, if you visit questionable sites with your gaming pc you better be protected with adblock and at least the win defender. Just like in real world, protection is essential

So dump the consoles now, Just do it!

 

[DeadHero]

That is why I left console gaming when ps3 and xbox360 ruled out there.

I did the opposite thing during the same period. I spent lots of years gaming on PC (after the SNES/PS1 era), building various rigs (from an AMD Athlon 1100/Fury Pro 2000 to a Phenom X4/HD5870 and many other CPU/GPUs in between) and then I came back to the console world buying an Xbox 360, an Xbox One and a PS4 one year ago. Never looked back

 

[mrPetros]

So dump the consoles now, Just do it!

dude! I was making dos boot disks for falcon and wing commander, and just my roland lapc1 sound card back then cost more than all current gen consoles combined. if you get me.
for everything, there comes a point when you get fed up with it. for this particular thing, that point has well passed.. long time ago..

 

[Pillo-san]

I did the opposite thing during the same period. I spent lots of years gaming on PC (after the SNES/PS1 era), building various rigs (from an AMD Athlon 1100/Fury Pro 2000 to a Phenom X4/HD5870 and many other CPU/GPUs in between) and then I came back to the console world buying an Xbox 360, an Xbox One and a PS4 one year ago. Never looked back

Well, I only used my consoles for games like Forza and GT, for real gaming it have always been PC, but which game on pc could fill my void of collecting cars and tweaking them and then racing them on pc? That is why I love the fact that Forza is coming over to pc. There can only be one! ... ultimate platform and it is PC

dude! I was making dos boot disks for falcon and wing commander, and just my roland lapc1 sound card back then cost more than all current gen consoles combined. if you get me.
for everything, there comes a point when you get fed up with it. for this particular thing, that point has well passed.. long time ago..

Wing commander, baaah what is wrong with x-wing?

 

[bf3]

ok,i get it - now its pc vs. consoles instead of pc2 vs. FH7 we doing progress

Im getting best from both worlds,and while i like pc "freedom",really good pc cost arm and leg,good luck building 4K pc for 500$ (im from EU,so $ means little here).Oh,and im not even going to start on overpriced pc monitors...
Saying that,i ordered new 4K HDR TV and 1080Ti...
I will get XOX,but not straight after launch,i usually getting new console 6-8months after release.I like t

 

[Pillo-san]

ok,i get it - now its pc vs. consoles instead of pc2 vs. FH7 we doing progress

Im getting best from both worlds,and while i like pc "freedom",really good pc cost arm and leg,good luck building 4K pc for 500$ (im from EU,so $ means little here).Oh,and im not even going to start on overpriced pc monitors...
Saying that,i ordered new 4K HDR TV and 1080Ti...
I will get XOX,but not straight after launch,i usually getting new console 6-8months after release.I like t

Well It is a discussion board/forum, and a discussion can go which ever way.
We can discuss about PC2 vs Forza vs PC vs XOX vs what ever we come upon as long as we do not go to far or get personal.
That is why we are here are we not, like everyone here is a car or car game enthusiast.

The thing is, MS and Sony should just release pure pc machines in fine looking cases, that are utilising ordinary pc hardware that the companies think will be enough for running their games as intended.

The age when dedicated hardware in consoles is needed is gone.

Look how cheap todays laptops are and what kind of hardware they punch. i5 or even i3 cpus are more powerful and efficient than the cpus in both XOX and ps4.

 

[bf3]

Well It is a discussion board/forum, and a discussion can go which ever way.
We can discuss about PC2 vs Forza vs PC vs XOX vs what ever we come upon as long as we do not go to far or get personal.
That is why we are here are we not, like everyone here is a car or car game enthusiast.

The thing is, MS and Sony should just release pure pc machines in fine looking cases, that are utilising ordinary pc hardware that the companies think will be enough for running their games as intended.

The age when dedicated hardware in consoles is needed is gone.

Look how cheap todays laptops are and what kind of hardware they punch. i5 or even i3 cpus are more powerful and efficient than the cpus in both XOX and ps4.

I was joking about VS. things.
Because intel would not sell they cpu's that cheap probably,add to that laptop cpu gpu similar to XOX and price will jump,etc.etc.
Besides - laptops are way more fragile than consoles and i personally hate laptops with passion.Good laptop actually cost more than same spec PC.And in EU prices generally for PC parts are crazy,1080Ti are 600-700 + pounds,depending on model.
Its easy for us to say that,because we dont know all things behind the scenes,etc.
Consoles should never been the way PS3 was - nearly impossible to code,and if company like MS and Sony wants to make quite powerful consoles for small price and if there is people who want to buy - im all for it.
There are days when i dont want touch pc and just lay on couch,take pad and play some games without any pc related problems (can it run this game?are drivers new enough?do i have to upgrade?etc etc.)
Im all for variety,i want to have choice

 

[Pillo-san]

I was joking about VS. things.
Because intel would not sell they cpu's that cheap probably,add to that laptop cpu gpu similar to XOX and price will jump,etc.etc.
Besides - laptops are way more fragile than consoles and i personally hate laptops with passion.Good laptop actually cost more than same spec PC.And in EU prices generally for PC parts are crazy,1080Ti are 600-700 + pounds,depending on model.
Its easy for us to say that,because we dont know all things behind the scenes,etc.
Consoles should never been the way PS3 was - nearly impossible to code,and if company like MS and Sony wants to make quite powerful consoles for small price and if there is people who want to buy - im all for it.
There are days when i dont want touch pc and just lay on couch,take pad and play some games without any pc related problems (can it run this game?are drivers new enough?do i have to upgrade?etc etc.)
Im all for variety,i want to have choice

Well I bought a pc for my dear mother, a cheap Leonovo with an i5/8GB of ram and 256gb ssd with 15" 1080p monitor with all the usual stuff like wifi, bluetooth and of course a battery inside a semi plasticy build for 500€.

Like you said we dont know everything behind the scenes but looking at it from a sober perspective you can only feel that the hardware itself cost nothing in the grand scheme of things when we look at the laptop I bought for my mom.

Just rip out the cpu, mobo and ram pair it with a cheap gpu from AMD/nvidia and place it inside a little box= org ps4/Xox killer
The thing that would be good with a sys like that is that they would be so much more scaleable compared to how they are now. And to be honest with the launch of ps4 pro and scorpio I feel like the console generation jumps are coming to an end and we will see something like this from all console manufactures as they dont need to waste that much on R&D like before. Now we actually have efficient and cheap pc hardware.

 

[bf3]

Keep in mind there a millions of people who dont need pc or dont want it or whatever other reasons - all they want is to put disc in console and play,without any pc related issues,besides 500 money for a 4K console is pretty good deal,and it will be 450 or even 400 after a year.
No matter what pc "master race" says,proper 4K on pc is extremely expensive,i dont want to go into pc monitors prices at all-recently my new Acer X34 broke after 5.5 weeks of usage,instead of replacement,i just got new 40" 4K HDR TV as monitor for half price - you see where im coming
Im not even talking about 144hz Gsync/free sync 4K monitors,its a rip off.
Another problem with pc is that when some new things coming out,you dont want to stay behind - ok,1080Ti will probably last few years,but not everybody can afford it,so they will keep upgrading yearly,maybe even more often.This isa problem.With console you safe for at least 4-5 years.And its not cost you much.
Overall consoles are very good thing,but gaming industry become little bit lazy and greedy,only few devs using full power even on XB1/PS4Pro,and im not even talking about pc.

 

[Pillo-san]

Keep in mind there a millions of people who dont need pc or dont want it or whatever other reasons - all they want is to put disc in console and play,without any pc related issues,besides 500 money for a 4K console is pretty good deal,and it will be 450 or even 400 after a year.
No matter what pc "master race" says,proper 4K on pc is extremely expensive,i dont want to go into pc monitors prices at all-recently my new Acer X34 broke after 5.5 weeks of usage,instead of replacement,i just got new 40" 4K HDR TV as monitor for half price - you see where im coming
Im not even talking about 144hz Gsync/free sync 4K monitors,its a rip off.
Another problem with pc is that when some new things coming out,you dont want to stay behind - ok,1080Ti will probably last few years,but not everybody can afford it,so they will keep upgrading yearly,maybe even more often.This isa problem.With console you safe for at least 4-5 years.And its not cost you much.
Overall consoles are very good thing,but gaming industry become little bit lazy and greedy,only few devs using full power even on XB1/PS4Pro,and im not even talking about pc.

Yeah I get what you are saying, but I am saying that if MS and Sony want to keep going with their console systems they need to abandon the dedicated console hardware because now you can get cheap pc stuff that is even more efficient than what they use in the consoles. I am not saying that they need to ditch their console experience but they need to ditch the hardware. After all both xox and ps4 are pc but with a bit of a customised twist to it. Now they dont need to design any special hardware.

 

[mrPetros]

Yeah I get what you are saying, but I am saying that if MS and Sony want to keep going with their console systems they need to abandon the dedicated console hardware because now you can get cheap pc stuff that is even more efficient than what they use in the consoles. I am not saying that they need to ditch their console experience but they need to ditch the hardware. After all both xox and ps4 are pc but with a bit of a customised twist to it. Now they dont need to design any special hardware.

dude! we are having this conversation again, where you can build an equally powerful pc for 499? protip, you can't
plus, there's a very good reason they make their own hardware: to make more money

 

[Pillo-san]

dude! we are having this conversation again, where you can build an equally powerful pc for 499? protip, you can't
plus, there's a very good reason they make their own hardware: to make more money

We cant, but the OEMs can. And the fact is that there are better options out there that do not need dedicated R&D like they needed with consoles before. MS and Sony have probably a golden deal with AMD that they still want to squeeze every penny out of. But new deals can be made, and to be honest all Sony and MS have is a deal on hardware that is since long outdated. And yes the hardware is after all based on pure pc parts but customized ie the design in scaled up in certain parts and scaled down in other depending on what MS/Sony wanted.

At least they are more custom than the bone stock Nvidia Tegra x1 found in Nintendo Switch. And that is after all those PR stunts that it would be using a custom chip specially for Switch. Oh Big companies are so funny with their mumbo jumbo lies

 

[Speedster911]

This discussion on consoles vs. PC is getting quite interesting but apart from FM7, I do not think there will be too many games running at native 4K/60 fps on the One-X. FM7 is one exception I suppose and don't be surprised if most games use checkerboard 4K at 30 fps. They never quite make consoles powerful enough to tick all the check marks and for that very reason, PC will always reign supreme. Always. I think $600-750 can get you a pretty good gaming PC, one that can surpass the capabilities of the One-X by a reasonable margin.