Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

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One advantage T10 has is their US location. Apart From iRacing they are one of very few to license tracks like Sebring, VIR, Mid Ohio, Road Atlanta, Road America and the like. COTA, Daytona, Indianapolis and Laguna Seca are more widely seen, but not hugely so.

It seems logical to me for them to focus on US tracks in addition to high profile international tracks, given that their competition tends to focus on European or Japanese (PD) tracks.
 
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What are you all hoping to see for post-launch track additions?
Interlagos (💚💛), Maybe Fuji, Tracks from FM7, 2 More Ovals (Maybe Texas, Bristol or Pocono), Bahrain, Red Bull Ring, Brno, Street Tracks (From Indy?) And Fantasy Tracks with Realistic Assets
 
What are you all hoping to see for post-launch track additions?
Hold your horses, man! Why don't we wait until the full game is released before we even start thinking anything about post launch content.
 
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So Forza ms can get away with being gutted because "Horizon has it" .
Except it isn't "gutted." Previous Motorsport games never had a heavy focus on drift or drag. They have always tried to focus more of circuit racing, people just used the mechanics and physics to drift.

You can't claim it was gutted when the feature wasn't there or almost non-existent in the first place.
 
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Also some more tidbits off of Chris Esaki's twitter:

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Hold your horses, man! Why don't we wait until the full game is released before we even start thinking anything about post launch content.
Just a fun topic to think about, so long as we don't start begging for tracks and all! Wouldn't wanna turn into the Forza subreddit.
 
I honestly dont mind them focusing more on motorsport vehicles, tracks and racing disciplines thats something ive mentioned in the past matter fact. While yeah I didnt mind throwing around oddball cars and SUVs around nurburgring, in the back of my mind I still couldn't help but to want more race and road cars and less trucks, SUVs and oddball weird cars that dont fit. I like this. Now im hoping they expand and offer racing groups like classic trans am, modern trans am, GT2, GT4, prototype challenges, nascar etc.
 
I think they are unlucky when it comes to fields of modern WEC (Le Mans Ultimate licensed) and GT3 (ACC licensed). So this should let them spend more time on less popular series.

I'd love a TCR type series with a decent set of cars, and there are many eccentric series of the past to include, but we know they need some kind of formula, GT and prototype classes no matter how bad the licensing is.
 
No, they can "get away with it" because they've been saying from Day 1 that FM '23 has been focused on modern circuit racing with a focus on race cars and higher-performance road cars, and everything going into the game has been done with that creative goal in mind.

If drifting and drag isn't part of that equation, that's fine by me. As someone who does quite a bit of drifting in Horizon, I'd rather them spend the time it would take to implement those modes and use that to refine the core focus of the game instead, and all the features and mechanics that come with it, so that FM '23 is a more complete package come launch.
GT Sport was lambasted even though PD said they were going to focus on E Sports .

Hypocrisy to the core on this forum .

Oh wait you guys defended the fact they were using a 360 asset with that BMW 😅.
 
GT Sport was lambasted even though PD said they were going to focus on E Sports .

Hypocrisy to the core on this forum .

Oh wait you guys defended the fact they were using a 360 asset with that BMW 😅.

Who's "you guys?" Why are you ascribing a single personality to the thousands of members on this forum, as though everyone here belongs to a single hivemind — except you, apparently?

GT Sport got the reception it did because it had been 4 years since GT6, and it's arguably understandable to be disappointed that the first PS4-era Gran Turismo would be an eSports-focused, online-multiplayer centric title instead of something closer to the previous games. Especially after it became clear the single-player campaign was going to be lackluster... and with the usual lack of communication from Polys.

Like it or not, Turn 10 is doing something right with these Forza Monthly videos, and it's communicating what to expect. In the worst-case scenario, it's plenty of material to hold them accountable to if the game does turn out not to be what they said it would be.

But go ahead. Keep comparing apples and oranges. Disingenuous to the core.
 
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GT Sport was lambasted even though PD said they were going to focus on E Sports .
IIRC, the problem at the time was that PD kept on promoting the eSports focus and FIA partnership while, in typical PD fashion, failing to mention that GT Sport was going to be a major tonal shift from previous entries and that it was going to be a significantly smaller game overall, in terms of car count, track count and things to do. Yes, those issues were addressed over time, but I do remember it catching a lot of users off-guard when the game first launched, which sparked a decent amount of negativity.

With FM '23, Turn 10 made it clear from the get-go what they were aiming for, and have had regular streams where they showcase the changes being made with FM '23, while also giving really deep dives into core details about the game, and showing how those details and changes helped T10 maintain their focus for this game. They're doing all of this while also answering community questions and addressing some of the long-standing concerns from previous titles. Because of this, there's a much clearer picture of what FM '23 is and isn't, and as a result there's been much better overall reception.

It's crazy what a little communication can do, isn't it?
Hypocrisy to the core on this forum .
Literally nobody is forcing you to post here.
Oh wait you guys defended the fact they were using a 360 asset with that BMW 😅.
Who exactly is "you guys?" I personally haven't said such a thing, and there have been plenty of times, both in the Motorsport and Horizon subforums, where there has been criticism levied at T10/PG's continued use of 360-era car models in the newer games.
 
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GT Sport was lambasted even though PD said they were going to focus on E Sports .

Hypocrisy to the core on this forum .

Oh wait you guys defended the fact they were using a 360 asset with that BMW 😅.
GT Sport got lambasted because of how much of a shift in focus there was from the Gran Turismo games of old. From a robust single player experience that happened to have multiplayer as an option, to an online eSports focused title I can't imagine anyone asked for or ever considered. I personally think it was a fine game for what it tried to do, but it's undeniable that most players couldn't give two flying Subarus about Sport mode racing. Take a look at the trophy stats for GT Sport or even GT7 and it's apparent that competitive eSports isn't what most people wanted from a Gran Turismo game.

This isn't hypocrisy. Most of us here are more than willing to admit the faults Turn 10 and Playground Games have made with their games. Especially Forza Motorsport 7 in particular, why do you think it's taken them 6 years to release the new game? Because they're changing things up for the betterment of the players and user experience instead of sitting in radio silence, something that PD have mastered. For a more recent talking point, I was surprised when I heard Chris Esaki say that drag and drift racing won't be included in FM 2023 at launch, but I won't be losing much sleep on it. Disappointing yes, but I never used them much to begin with. Some people have reacted more strongly, and I can't blame them as those are two big parts of car culture and racing. Though we have hope that they will come post-launch. On the note of those recycled car models, I'm definitely willing to say that cars like the Silvia S15 and Toyota AE86 should have been updated forever ago. I've seen some people over on the GT forum compare it to the time in GT5 and GT6 where they straight up ported over PS2-era car models with little to no improvements whatsoever. That's not the same as T10 porting over Xbox 360 models and upscaling them to a degree. There was at least some effort. Again, the models are still insanely outdated and should be redone, but it is nowhere near as big of an issue as some make it out to be. Heck, if I hadn't seen the errors of the S15 model pointed out over and over again I probably couldn't tell you what's wrong with it.

Both Forza and Gran Turismo have their pros and cons, but this petty war between "fans" helps no one.
 
Darn. If only there was a Forza game where you can drive Dirt, Drag, or Drift...
In all fairness I think quite a few people including myself were looking forward to drag racing in the Motorsport series since what they added in FM7 seemed to hint at a far more in-depth experience than what is in Horizon.

I'm not too bothered by it not being present at launch though.
 
Get ready. I have the feeling there's going to be a lot of snot nosed angry brats coming into these forums once they find out FM is outperforming GT7 in a lot of areas. If FM turns out to be what a lot of us wanted GT7 to be in the first place, and then some, the war rages on.
 
Get ready. I have the feeling there's going to be a lot of snot nosed angry brats coming into these forums once they find out FM is outperforming GT7 in a lot of areas. If FM turns out to be what a lot of us wanted GT7 to be in the first place, and then some, the war rages on.
Comments like these don't really help, you know? And there's nothing to "get ready" for, you can simply ignore people who you don't want to hear from.
 
Get ready. I have the feeling there's going to be a lot of snot nosed angry brats coming into these forums once they find out FM is outperforming GT7 in a lot of areas. If FM turns out to be what a lot of us wanted GT7 to be in the first place, and then some, the war rages on.

This is not a slight against you, of course. But I refuse to "fight" in a ""war"" only losers, the terminally online, and individuals who make gaming brands their entire identity were willing to fight in the first place.
If Sony is willing to pull their collective heads out of their ...exhaust... they're free to bring Gran Turismo over on PC so I - and a ton of others here, I'm sure - can enjoy it and FM on the same system. Brand exclusivity is anti-consumer, there's no defending it. We wouldn't be in those straits if there weren't so many people treating Forza vs GT like an actual war.
 
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It's just a joke. I find the bickering hilarious. I for one am sticking with PC. I'm never going to buy another console. GT7 proved that a PS5 wasn't necessary. The fact that FM is on PC is why I will entertain what it has to offer and be happy with it for the most part because I never had any Forza before.
If these guys want to cast insults, it makes no difference to me. Although I still wouldn't buy GT7 even if it was on PC.
 
No Hot Wheels cars, no buy. You're really testing my patience Esaki.
The most suitable Hot Wheels car for FM8 would be the Bad to the Blade.

Imagine fast-paced one-make racing with it, it would make for extremely competitive open-wheel racing, and that is definitely Motorsport at its very core. I don't mind the other Hot Wheels cars not making it at launch, but the Bad to the Blade is a must-have as it definitely fits the theme and spirit of Motorsport.
 
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Hearing they're laser focusing on circuit racing (at least to start) is music to my ears. One of the big issues with FM was that it had become a big unfocused mess of cars no one wanted and features no one used. I'm willing to bet they also have solid telemetry that very few people actually did drag racing or drifting.

GT Sport was lambasted even though PD said they were going to focus on E Sports .

Hypocrisy to the core on this forum .

Oh wait you guys defended the fact they were using a 360 asset with that BMW 😅.
Username checks out.
 

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