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I think we are very likely to get Abu Dhabi’s Yas Marina back again. It’s the only track from that region they are likely to include after all.
Then I think the rest of the returnees will all be US tracks. Since they have many from FM7 to choose from.
Oh, and I was thinking that Nurburgring may not make it to launch because their FM7 model is really poor and needs heavy rework. It could be that they decided to delay it to become DLC.
Then I think the rest of the returnees will all be US tracks. Since they have many from FM7 to choose from.
Oh, and I was thinking that Nurburgring may not make it to launch because their FM7 model is really poor and needs heavy rework. It could be that they decided to delay it to become DLC.
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Now that I've actually played ACC I adore the way that it eases you into learning racecraft as part of the career. It's like doing licence tests, but actually fun.
The new FM seems to put a lot of emphasis on cornering but doesn't make it a card game. Instead the incentive is to earn points to spend on vehicle upgrades. At least that's something.
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Here's what we know:
Here's what's available in Forza Motorsport 7 and not in the list above:
Pick 4 and cut 17.
- New to Forza: Hakone Circuit
- New to Forza: Kyalami Grand Prix Circuit
- New to Forza: Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course
- New to Forza: Eaglerock Raceway
- New to Forza: ??
- Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya
- Circuit des 24 Heures du Mans (Le Mans)
- Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps
- Indianapolis Motor Speedway
- Laguna Seca Raceway
- Maple Valley Raceway
- Silverstone Circuit
- Suzuka Circuit
- Virginia International Raceway
- Nurburgring
- Road America
- ?
- ?
- ?
- ?
Here's what's available in Forza Motorsport 7 and not in the list above:
- Autodromo Nazionale Monza
- Bernese Alps
- Brands Hatch
- Circuit of the Americas
- Daytona International Speedway
- Dubai Circuit
- Hockenheimring
- Homestead-Miami Speedway
- Lime Rock
- Long Beach
- Mount Panorama Circuit
- Mugello Autodromo Internazionale
- Prague
- Rio de Janeiro
- Road Atlanta
- Sebring International Raceway
- Sonoma Raceway
- Test Track Airfield
- Top Gear Test Track
- Watkins Glen International
- Yas Marina Circuit
Pick 4 and cut 17.
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What I think they'll pick for launch:
- Autodromo Nazionale Monza (importance in motorsport culture)
- Watkins Glen International (have LIDAR data from Forza Motorsport 7)
- Mount Panorama (importance in motorsport culture)
- Daytona International Speedway (most important track in IMSA)
Some of the others, probably post-launch.
Final new track, probably Circuit Paul Ricard (purely based on speculation from the keyart).
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Monza sounds like a no brainer to me given its prominence in motor racing. I'd be okay with those two US tracks and'd be a little disappointed to see either of them replaced by a made up course like Rio or Prague at launch.
A short track like Lime Rock would be nice for @Morbid65's league races but given the mileage based nature of the single player campaign I'd be surprised if it made the cut.
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The 4 I would like to see most are:
I can see Turn 10 not going with Road Atlanta though, at least not without completely rebuilding it. The track data they currently have is from Forza Motorsport 2, and is rather inaccurate. Watkins on the other-hand got LIDAR-scanned for Forza Motorsport 7.
Lime Rock has 4 at best and they're not substantially different from one another.
- Lime Rock (or Sebring)
- Road Atlanta
- Daytona
- Monza
I can see Turn 10 not going with Road Atlanta though, at least not without completely rebuilding it. The track data they currently have is from Forza Motorsport 2, and is rather inaccurate. Watkins on the other-hand got LIDAR-scanned for Forza Motorsport 7.
Another thing to consider is how many layouts a track has. I can see why VIR is in the list, there's about 10 different routes. If Paul Ricard is in, they could easily have 20+ (no need for all 145).
Lime Rock has 4 at best and they're not substantially different from one another.
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Yas went rebulid they would need re-scan the track
I dont think it will come at launch
if they are deep with IMSA paternship Daytona will be in the game
Judging by "we want tracks people can race clear" , i dont think monza will
Beacuse of a certain part(s) of the track that we all know about...
The 4 Remining return tracks that i think it will are
- Daytona
- Sebring
- Circuit of the Americas
- Twin Ring Motegi (my wild card beacuse why not?)
New track i think Paul Richard but i wouldnt be suprised AT ALL if the secret new track is Interlagos (with the same classic track features that Laguna Seca will have)
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I think we can conclude that everyone has a different preference. Do we want the best tracks for racing by ourselves, the best tracks for online racing (without turn 1 being a massive mess), or the best tracks with many variants?
T10 have a hard job
T10 have a hard job
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It must be like trying to choose between your childrenI think we can conclude that everyone has a different preference. Do we want the best tracks for racing by ourselves, the best tracks for online racing (without turn 1 being a massive mess), or the best tracks with many variants?
T10 have a hard job
Speaking purely from a Billy-no-mates single player perspective I like racing on their version of Road Atlanta and Bernese Alps but I know everyone hates those tracks with a passion. Road America and COTA less so, but I'm hoping the grippier tyres will make them easier to navigate should they return (as it looks like RA is making a comeback).
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I have been actually enjoying the full grand prix COTA layout in ACC. It has a few kinks which are pretty much unsighted in ACC but not in FM7 which is a shame - there's a lot of elevation change in the lap which you only see a bit in FM7. I suspect they dumbed it down for ease of driving in FM7...
EDIT: Actually after having another go at the track now, the unsighted aspects of the full grand prix track are pretty good and only slightly off in FM7. And it looks great, should be an easy track to port over to FM2023.
When it's done well, COTA can be very interesting to race and drive fast with a clean lap. But it's all too easy to discount it due to the complexity and number of strange turns (rather like Paul Ricard, but unlike Paul Ricard COTA has plenty of elevation change).
Edit: I don't think FM7's trouble was lack of grip. I think it was things like lift off oversteer and very bad stability on curbs. Oh, and race cars which should have massive aero grip but don't seem like it atall.
EDIT: Actually after having another go at the track now, the unsighted aspects of the full grand prix track are pretty good and only slightly off in FM7. And it looks great, should be an easy track to port over to FM2023.
When it's done well, COTA can be very interesting to race and drive fast with a clean lap. But it's all too easy to discount it due to the complexity and number of strange turns (rather like Paul Ricard, but unlike Paul Ricard COTA has plenty of elevation change).
Edit: I don't think FM7's trouble was lack of grip. I think it was things like lift off oversteer and very bad stability on curbs. Oh, and race cars which should have massive aero grip but don't seem like it atall.
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Spa I doubt, as the old layout goes far beyond the boundaries of the current circuit.
Silverstone is doable, Project CARS 3 had it.
Monza if it’s in the game, same deal, maybe even get the old oval.
Hockenheim if it’s in the game, same deal.
Le Mans without chicanes is a yes.
Catalunya, I hope they have both the current layout (without final chicane) and the previous one (with chicane).
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Personally I've always liked Bernese Alps, Prague, Rio and Road Atlanta, but then again I've only played single player mode. I think driving a high powered GT3 type car round Rio is wild, on the edge of control, spinning up over the bumps inches from crashing, awesome fun.
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I think I liked all of those except for the long Rio. The shorter layouts were fine for me.
In retrospect it sounds to me like the layouts of those tracks may have been optimised for use with the old physics model making them easier to drive at speed.
If Nurburgring Nordschliefe really is out for repairs as @skazz speculates above then I think Chris Esaki and co had better be pretty explicit with the reasons why, in order to try and mitigate more FM5-style badwill, if that's the correct term, from fans.
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Having played many superb tracks from talented and imaginative creators in FH5, I hope there is a track creator feature in the future of FM. That way, historic/unavailable/ tracks could be recreated as close as possible to the real thing.
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I doubt it will happen, but you are right that it would be very interesting. For example this week's eventlab circuit on FH5 had proper curbs, good elevation changes and felt like something I could hotlap (unlike many more fantastical eventlab tracks).
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