Forza Motorsport General Discussion Thread

[MagpieRacer]

Watched the official presentation. Compared to PD's and Kaz' reserved style I find it quite repulsive. Turn10 are like a bunch of arrogant buffoons bragging, lol.
Assuming their statement about the FM8 physics is better than all previous ones combined, I wonder will it be at least remotely close to GT7 physics? I bet it'll still be far behind.

GT7 physics aren't exactly a benchmark for sim racing, quite far from it. If they were aiming to be more 'hardcore sim' than GT7, that really wouldn't be difficult. Especially in terms of simulating Motorsport or racing.

Also just a question to the car model critics, is there anywhere where they've actually said the car models have been rebuilt from the ground up? I haven't seen that anywhere, materials, shaders, physics yes, cars? Haven't seen that?

 

[Jepadante]

Microsoft succeeded in selling more PS5s this week. Yes, there are other racing games, mostly on PCs, but GT7 is the most direct competitor. No release date, game seems to still be developing at a snails pace, and the hyped media blitz this week turned out to be less than what most were expecting to see.

 

[The_Greaser]

You know it wouldn't hurt to send some 3D modelers to Heritage Museums (especially Nissan's for example) to rescan old cars. That might be a start. They have scanned models like some of the Nissans for FM7 and that could work either way. But that would be a nightmare!

 

[MagpieRacer]

I know he isn't part of Microsoft but isn't Geoff Keighly usually pretty good with release dates and he said yesterday it's launching before the end of June? I mean, that's as concrete as anything we've had so I don't really know why everyone is acting like it isn't coming out?

 

[Jepadante]

I know he isn't part of Microsoft but isn't Geoff Keighly usually pretty good with release dates and he said yesterday it's launching before the end of June? I mean, that's as concrete as anything we've had so I don't really know why everyone is acting like it isn't coming out?

He has to be wrong. The way the lead developer was talking today he said they have a lot more work to do in the coming months. When a developer says that, multiply the time he quotes by 3 and you might have a realistic projection.

 

[nukleabomb]

This looks interesting

 

[MagpieRacer]

He has to be wrong. The way the lead developer was talking today he said they have a lot more work to do in the coming months. When a developer says that, multiply the time he quotes by 3 and you might have a realistic projection.

Why does he have to be wrong? That gives a 6 month time frame, just over, games go gold around 4 weeks before launch (with that time being used for Day 1 patches), giving at least 5 months of polishing.

Also, why would T10 let him tweet that release window after the show if it's blatantly wrong? Clue, they wouldn't, and he wouldn't given he's a pretty well respected member of game media.

 

[Johnny Caisse]

I found the game graphics to be nice but I hope the physics will be worth it.

 

[Jepadante]

They need to do a lot more than polish. They are still rendering several of the new tracks it sounds like, and probably many of the new cars. I think they are still working on basic elements of the gameplay, single and multiplayer, especially considering they barely showed much of anything besides a tech demo.

 

[nukleabomb]

They need to do a lot more than polish. They are still rendering several of the new tracks it sounds like, and probably many of the new cars. I think they are still working on basic elements of the gameplay, single and multiplayer, especially considering they barely showed much of anything besides a tech demo.

Idk about that
They have had playtesting (both internal and external for the physics and the online stuff) sin december 2019

 

[Arthur-A]

GT7 physics aren't exactly a benchmark for sim racing, quite far from it. If they were aiming to be more 'hardcore sim' than GT7, that really wouldn't be difficult. Especially in terms of simulating Motorsport or racing.

Compared to IRL driving both grip and drift it's quite spot on. Definitely better than Assetto Corsa, for example. I haven't played ACC, but it doesn't have any road cars, so I'll pass. Also saw some iracing video that it can't even get a drifting physics right, not to mention it's online only and it's subscription based crap, lol.
As for simulating motorsports, I couldn't care less about it.

 

[Famine]

Also, why would T10 let him tweet that release window after the show if it's blatantly wrong? Clue, they wouldn't, and he wouldn't given he's a pretty well respected member of game media.

Whut?

He doesn't work for T10, so what control would T10 have over him? I mean, I know he fronts a lot of Xbox stuff, but he's a contractor. His Tweet shouldn't be taken as anything close to official.

 

[Jepadante]

Take a look back at this GT7 trailer September 9th 2021. Game was released about 6 months later.



Notice how they actually show more actual gameplay and the single player experience- menus cafes. etc.

 

[MagpieRacer]

Compared to IRL driving both grip and drift it's quite spot on. Definitely better than Assetto Corsa, for example. I haven't played ACC, but it doesn't have any road cars, so I'll pass. Also saw some iracing video that it can't even get a drifting physics right.
As for simulating motorsports, I couldn't care less about it.

If you think GT7 physics are better than AC then I can safely ignore your view.

Whut?

He doesn't work for T10, so what control would T10 have over him? I mean, I know he fronts a lot of Xbox stuff, but he's a contractor. His Tweet shouldn't be taken as anything close to official.

They have no control over him, just seems odd that immediately after the show he would drop the release dates/windows of every game announced and no one would care if they were accurate or not, given his reputation. People acting like we won't see it this year.

 

[Jepadante]

If you think GT7 physics are better than AC then I can safely ignore your view.



They have no control over him, just seems odd that immediately after the show he would drop the release dates/windows of every game announced and no one would care if they were accurate or not, given his reputation. People acting like we won't see it this year.

No, most people expect it to be released in the fall or early winter like most Forza games. This game needs to be in the oven for at least 8-9 more months.

 

[Arthur-A]

🤷‍♂️

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Also just a question to the car model critics, is there anywhere where they've actually said the car models have been rebuilt from the ground up? I haven't seen that anywhere, materials, shaders, physics yes, cars? Haven't seen that?

They never promised it, but it's like when Pokemon cut their list in half. It's not for quality reasons, so why such a massive reduction in quantity?

If they're going to recycle anyway, I'd rather them take a whole lot more.

They have no control over him, just seems odd that immediately after the show he would drop the release dates/windows of every game announced and no one would care if they were accurate or not, given his reputation. People acting like we won't see it this year.

He's only human. There's a good chance he based his tweet on the earlier "Spring 2023" release window.

 

[Artremis]

Take a look back at this GT7 trailer September 9th 2021. Game was released about 6 months later.



Notice how they actually show more actual gameplay and the single player experience- menus cafes. etc.

Forget about the 2021 trailer - the 2020 announcement trailer already showed direct gameplay, UI, etc. To be fair, it is a huge rarity to get gameplay that early and for GT7 in particular the gameplay clearly showed unifinished footage so it's not surprising they didn't go for the same strategy.

 

[turk1993]

Many people are saying this, but when I watched the video in 4k I saw a whole reflective layer to the headlight glass that I don't recall being there in the FH5 E30. It also looked higher resolution than the screenshot from earlier in the thread.

Now this is a bad still randomly grabbed from the 4k video on my MacBook. It's going to be blurry. But it still looks better than what was shown earlier in the thread:

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i.e. the screenshot bandied around earlier didn't seem a true representation of what I saw when watching the video myself. Am I seeing things?

There is still something missing with that model since it looks better in FH5. Also there are parts missing on the bottom mist lights. I think this was a pretty early build which showed some unfinished content. Just like the other cars with no reflection and missing details.

VS

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

GT7 physics aren't exactly a benchmark for sim racing, quite far from it. If they were aiming to be more 'hardcore sim' than GT7, that really wouldn't be difficult. Especially in terms of simulating Motorsport or racing.

Also just a question to the car model critics, is there anywhere where they've actually said the car models have been rebuilt from the ground up? I haven't seen that anywhere, materials, shaders, physics yes, cars? Haven't seen that?

"Built from the ground up" has a meaning and they are using it relentlessly and broadly to imply that everything is new which, I think, is quite disingenuous. If you built a house from the ground up, but actually it's more like a renovation of existing structure...it doesn't really qualify for that statement. Built from the ground up, except for a lot of the cars in a car game isn't exactly compelling.

I was on the fence about buying an XSX and a lot of that was my cagey optimism for FM8, but unless something dramatically different to what was shown gets released, its a no from me.

 

[5oulond1splay]

Compared to IRL driving both grip and drift it's quite spot on. Definitely better than Assetto Corsa, for example. I haven't played ACC, but it doesn't have any road cars, so I'll pass. Also saw some iracing video that it can't even get a drifting physics right, not to mention it's online only and it's subscription based crap, lol.
As for simulating motorsports, I couldn't care less about it.

Good joke mate, ACC crushes GT7's physics alone on PS5. AC does a much better job at simulating road cars than GT7. This is objective fact.

 

[Tornado]

"Built from the ground up" has a meaning and they are using it relentlessly and broadly to imply that everything is new which, I think, is quite disingenuous. If you built a house from the ground up, but actually it's more like a renovation of existing structure...it doesn't really qualify for that statement. Built from the ground up, except for a lot of the cars in a car game isn't exactly compelling.

And.





And this cannot be overstated.

AGAIN.

 

[lurkn4k]

Good joke mate, ACC crushes GT7's physics alone on PS5. AC does a much better job at simulating road cars than GT7. This is objective fact.

I think i might just mess with ACC until either forza or gt7 are up to snuff tbh. it's only 13 bucks, why not?

 

[MalibuClub]

There is still something missing with that model since it looks better in FH5. Also there are parts missing on the bottom mist lights. I think this was a pretty early build which showed some unfinished content. Just like the other cars with no reflection and missing details.

It does have the Street Front Bumper

 

[PorscheHD]

Yes it takes long but jezus What a negative people here…..give it a change first…..

 

[AudiMan2011]

Yes it takes long but jezus What a negative people here…..give it a change first…..

We've been trying to give it a chance for the last 10 years since FM5 fumbled the franchise. More and more people have clearly had enough of what is clearly looking to be blatantly willful ignorance on T10's part.

 

[nukleabomb]

We've been trying to give it a chance for the last 10 years since FM5 fumbled the franchise. More and more people have clearly had enough of what is clearly looking to be blatantly willful ignorance on T10's part.

The "we" you are referring to is definitely just the vocal minority. As i said before, car models won't and shouldn't be among the top priorities of FM. GAMEPLAY is king, whether that is racing itself or online mode or career or just plain free play. Having more cars and more tracks will always lead to more players and more "fun". Hell most don't even notice that GT7 uses a much lower LOD model during gameplay and only uses its best in scapes.

 

[StealthVel]

Oof.

 

[Tornado]

I'm not seeing it... Comparing the front to a US spec E30: https://www.wallpaperup.com/718047/BMW_M3_Coupe_US-spec_E30_cars_coupe_red_1987.html

Differences look pretty minor to me... Maybe wing mirrors a little small?

Turn 10 doesn't seem to know that the grille of an E30 isn't made up of a bunch of straight lines; nor that the thing between the bumper and the front fascia on an M3 isn't just a panel gap like it is on a regular E30.







It's not the SW20 or the 22B or FD3S or Sagaris, but it's not great and it sure as hell isn't ground up.

 

[AudiMan2011]

The "we" you are referring to is definitely just the vocal minority. As i said before, car models won't and shouldn't be among the top priorities of FM. GAMEPLAY is king, whether that is racing itself or online mode or career or just plain free play. Having more cars and more tracks will always lead to more players and more "fun". Hell most don't even notice that GT7 uses a much lower LOD model during gameplay and only uses its best in scapes.

Remember this?

Lots of people still remember that scandal of jank PS2 ports for GT5 and 6. Forza's ports of cars going back now TWO WHOLE CONSOLE GENERATIONS are quickly becoming their equivalent of standard cars.