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- JDA1982
I thought it was rendered, good to see it confirmed properly though. Thantks for posting that 👍.
Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.
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- GTP_machschnel
This guy nikys got the right idea. Most of us would pick a more realistic physics model over a damage model I'm sure. Polyphony just might not be able to fit everything we want on a Blu-Ray disc.
And as said above, a damage model implemented wrong is a damage model that is worhtless. Say I'm flying up Eau Rouge(here's hoping
), slightly too fast, end up in the wall. With no damage, the field passes me, I get back on track and assuming the other driver's are of equal skill to me, I will not be able to catch up. Now, with an aesthetic damage model, the same thing happems. I still lose time, still in all probability lose the race, but my car is damaged......oh and alot more disk space is used
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A fully realistic damage model up there with GTR2 etc is something I think(at least this gen anyway) best left to PC's. I'd much rather more cars/tracks/weather/physics etc, than an half-arse damage model.
And as said above, a damage model implemented wrong is a damage model that is worhtless. Say I'm flying up Eau Rouge(here's hoping
), slightly too fast, end up in the wall. With no damage, the field passes me, I get back on track and assuming the other driver's are of equal skill to me, I will not be able to catch up. Now, with an aesthetic damage model, the same thing happems. I still lose time, still in all probability lose the race, but my car is damaged......oh and alot more disk space is used.A fully realistic damage model up there with GTR2 etc is something I think(at least this gen anyway) best left to PC's. I'd much rather more cars/tracks/weather/physics etc, than an half-arse damage model.
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What I don't understand about Turn 10 is they harp on about how realistic FM3 is going to and yet they release a trailer that looks so arcadey you would of thought you were watching NFS, Burnout.
I fully understand trying to appeal to a wider audience to make more money but should you risk upsetting your loyal fanbase. At the end of the day its loyal fanbases that keeps franchises going!
What I also don't understand is how can Dan Greenawalt make such comments as "this is the best looking racing game on any console". I made this video the other day which shows this isn't the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ndBzPrxWg
Personally I thought Turn 10 had a great chance of really improving the FM franchise but unfortunately I can see this being ruined for the sake of earning more money. However I suppose a success of a game is all about how much money is earn't but this could have harmful effects in the long term. Don't get me wrong I shall be buying FM3 but this will be traded in when GT5 is released.
I fully understand trying to appeal to a wider audience to make more money but should you risk upsetting your loyal fanbase. At the end of the day its loyal fanbases that keeps franchises going!
What I also don't understand is how can Dan Greenawalt make such comments as "this is the best looking racing game on any console". I made this video the other day which shows this isn't the case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ndBzPrxWg
Personally I thought Turn 10 had a great chance of really improving the FM franchise but unfortunately I can see this being ruined for the sake of earning more money. However I suppose a success of a game is all about how much money is earn't but this could have harmful effects in the long term. Don't get me wrong I shall be buying FM3 but this will be traded in when GT5 is released.
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But why would they turn the damage down? It would be way more impressing to see more damage. They probably haven't finished full-scale damage then? Do you or somebody have a good video, that covers the full scale damage that Forza 2 had? Because with the video's I've seen of it, it maybe is not full damage.
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This is probably the wrong place to ask but I don't want to start a new thread. All my threads always get locked and then im named and shamed lol.
Does anyone think the size of GT5 will be so large that 40GB owners are at risk of not having enough storage space. Reason I ask is I checked my HDD space and apart from having Home, GT5P, Vidzone, few videos there is little else on my HDD and yet I only had 13GB space left.
I have taken action anyway and ordered a 320GB HDD for £42 but I do feel that 40GB owners might run out of storage space.
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Your right. When Turn 10 speaks at shows/magazines etc, their main priority is getting across how "sim" the title is, the arcade mode is kind of a throw-away. Yet when they release their showcase trailer, its show's arcadish themes and handling?
Don't even get me started on the graphics. Yes Forza 3 looks incredible, but put it against GT5P and to me atleast theres no contest.
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Well, I think that "what looks best" is subjective. That Greenawalt guy thinks/says FM3 is the best-looking console-racer. (He has the right to think that, because looks are subjective) Or maybe he says it rather for the marketing aspect. But stating it as a fact is wrong IMO. (it's subjective) That also counts for your video I think. Somebody can still say that he liked the high-contrast look better and then says that he thinks FM3 looks better.
Edit: Hmm I might buy a new HDD too, because I have the 40GB one too. If I can get it for that price...
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Very true.
However for me personally if it was me marketing FM3 I would just stick with highlighting what the game has to offer without the frequent mentioning of its competitors which was obviously PD. I know very little about marketing but what I do know is you should know everything about your competitors and what they are offering. Now as we know very little is known about GT5 which is why Turn 10 shouldn't of made these claims. I already feel that after the E3 presenations of Sony, MS, Turn 10 would of felt rather silly because lets face it everyone was blown away with the GT5 trailer. We also had Turn 10 saying "greatest roster of cars" and yet 24hrs later the GT mobile is announced with 800 cars.
Overall since E3 the comments and behaviour of Turn 10 hasn't done them many favours. If you keep harping on about your competitors it has the reverse effect of making you look inferior and fearful. Lets also not forget the offer of a free unicorn car in favour of voting for a meaningless poll. If ever a video summed up my feelings about E3 then the link below says it all!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNDoYUsRrjI
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LOL at that video. I earlier heard that guy speak about Forza 3 like that, and I don't like marketing strategies like that, claiming stuff that is subjective or untrue.
To me, PD is a humble studio that earned their money by hard working, not by bragging and claiming subjective or untrue things, as facts. If the guy that talks is in the Turn 10 team, Turn 10 gets no respect from me, no matter how good the game looks, or better, how good THEY claim the game to look. I'm sure it will be a good game, so I'm not saying anything bad about Forza, just about the ones that portray the game for marketing purposes. I'm sick of talk like that.
To me, PD is a humble studio that earned their money by hard working, not by bragging and claiming subjective or untrue things, as facts. If the guy that talks is in the Turn 10 team, Turn 10 gets no respect from me, no matter how good the game looks, or better, how good THEY claim the game to look. I'm sure it will be a good game, so I'm not saying anything bad about Forza, just about the ones that portray the game for marketing purposes. I'm sick of talk like that.
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None of us know much about F3 or GT5, and I assume none of us have played it. When the games come out, we will just end up buying them, playing them, and enjoying them for days/months/years on end.
Granted, we will prolly crap our pants when we get home as we first take the cellophane wrap off and smell the ink on the freshly printed book, as we put the disk in our console.
Granted, we will prolly crap our pants when we get home as we first take the cellophane wrap off and smell the ink on the freshly printed book, as we put the disk in our console.
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I can't stand when somebody talks like Greenwalt. I mean, competition from another game doesn't mean that they have to talk like in a rap battle. 
I mean, I respect him for bringing a good game on the market, if he was in charge, but I have no respect for talks like he does.
Yes, I can't wait! Unfortunately I can't buy FM3 as I don't own a 360. Is there a solid release date for FM3? Just curious.
I mean, I respect him for bringing a good game on the market, if he was in charge, but I have no respect for talks like he does.Yes, I can't wait! Unfortunately I can't buy FM3 as I don't own a 360. Is there a solid release date for FM3? Just curious.
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F3 is out on October 27, 2009. I am going to get the Limited Edition this time. The LCE includes the following (I bolded the only ones that matter to me):
Forza Motorsport 2GB USB storage keychain
Forza Motorsport VIP Membership and Exclusive Car Pack (VIP membership includes special treatment in the online auction house, community storefront, and forza online forums)
Collector's Edition Car Pack (includes five custom tuned and painted cars)
Forza Motorsport 3 Theme
Forza Motorsport 2GB USB storage keychain
Forza Motorsport VIP Membership and Exclusive Car Pack (VIP membership includes special treatment in the online auction house, community storefront, and forza online forums)
Collector's Edition Car Pack (includes five custom tuned and painted cars)
Forza Motorsport 3 Theme
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"October 23 (Euro/PAL)"
Sometimes I forget the people across the pond
Sometimes I forget the people across the pond
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- GTP_Raitzi
Is there any more details about this?
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Unfortunately, no more details. Turn 10 releases more details each week, now through October 27th. So it will be a crap shoot as to which week we will get details on what.
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New or existing cars, I will take it. I have 5 unicorn cars from Turn 10 in Forza 2. Awesome livery jobs, maxed out with the best parts, and awesome tuning. I suspect these will be just as good.
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Most likely, but for people like me who are pretty much just into standard production cars who also spends some time making my own tunes these cars wont interest me personally (except for selling later on).
Which is good I guess as I would hate to know other people would have access to unique car models (not tunes and paints) that I couldn't get because they were only offered with certain preorders or versions of the game.
Like GT4 where different regions got different final car counts, good thing now that shouldn't be a problem anymore with online and world releases.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TkqH7nje6w&feature=related
Just watching this video, about 15 seconds in you can hear people talking (15seconds in) i believe about changing the view into cockpit view and how it drops the frames back to 30fps. He then states that GT5Prologue does the same, which Im fairly certain is not the case. I don't have a problem with the Forza series, I have a problem the way Turn10 are marketing it....really irritating, if your going to bag your competition, get your facts right...
Just watching this video, about 15 seconds in you can hear people talking (15seconds in) i believe about changing the view into cockpit view and how it drops the frames back to 30fps. He then states that GT5Prologue does the same, which Im fairly certain is not the case. I don't have a problem with the Forza series, I have a problem the way Turn10 are marketing it....really irritating, if your going to bag your competition, get your facts right...
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On 39 seconds the Porsche infront dissapears for a second....WTF? that the 3rd vid ive seen with this problem. I do hope they fix this.
EDIT: on second viewing it looks like a shadow covers it. My Bad
EDIT: on second viewing it looks like a shadow covers it. My Bad
Lion-Face
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Thats a shadow, didn't notice until you brought it up, but if you look closely it is a shadow from the sign post on the left side of the circuit.
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Yeah thanks Lion-Face i just noticed upon second viewing it does look strange though maybe its just a contrast/brightness issue? I hope its not a vertex lighting problem
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COME ON! First of all the showoff on the CGI trailer, was definetly not In Game.
Second, WHY allways when criticizing GT`s Physics i Hear the VERY SAME THING, if i Crash at X Speed in X Section of X track my car will be completely Destroyed, isnt there anything to criticize besides crashing related issues?
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