Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

[Bogie 19th]

I had a decent Sony STR-995 in silver for about 5 years. The only problem I had with that was the RARE occasional overheat where it would just turn itself off (maybe 5 times in 5 years?). I just replaced that with a new Denon 1909. Denon make some godly equipment.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

Yeah Denon make very good hi-fi and av equipment.

 

[Zathra5_]

Oh dear..


And to be fair, I can't find any threads over there where people are taking quotes from this forum and pointing and laughing..

Never mind though, I am an old git who really can't be bothered with the idiocy of taking sides and belittling the competition in a childish manner so I guess I'll just bite my tongue on this one.

I have no problem making fun of stupid comments whether they are made over there or over here. It has nothing to do with Forza.

I wasn't belittling the competition as I don't see someone who likes forza a competitor. I don't see forza as a competitor since I don't make a racing simulator. the only thing that I have against forza are the arrogant comments that Turn ten has been making. I don't appreciate that type of marketing.

It seems that every new racing game that comes out says (or its fanboys say) it has better graphics than GT5P but when real footage starts showing up or demos are released we see that they are nowhere close. To me GT5P is still clearly better than Forza 3. Forza 3s graphics are good and more than good enough. They just aren't as good as GT5P.

Physics wise I'm sure that it is mostly good enough as well. The funny sideways shuffle is disconcerting as well as the fact that cars don't even appear to lose traction when they go offroad. GT5P obviously isn't perfect with the collision physics and wall riding probably the worst issues that need fixing.

The biggest strength of Forza appears to be their customization. That isn't something that I particularly care about.

In the end, I'm not getting Forza 3 since I don't have a 360 and I'm not spending another $500 or so just to play one or two games. If Forza 3 does turn out better than GT5 good for them. Doesn't matter to me.

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Obviously you can't see it, but you are acting almost as bad as SR was over here...
I really do not understand why you would even have an account over there, I can see two threads you've started, both are just laying down obvious reactionary negativity, it's borderline trolling, and not really very clever at all.

Lets see if it all dies down after Gamescom, I really want to participate on both forums if I can, but really more about discussing the individual games, and leaving the 'vs' stuff to the teenagers..

The simple reason why is because i've been a member of the forza forums before FM2 even come out.

I post on both forums because at the moment im planning on buying both games. For some strange reason you cannot seem to want to own both and it seems it has to be either Forza or GT5.

I openly admit on both forums that I have a preference towards GT5. This is based on my experiences of playing GT franchise but another reason is Turn 10s presentation of FM3 at E3. I personally found their presentation extremely arrogant and very off putting. Some people cannot understand this but from where I come from we hate people who boast, brag.

At the moment im trying to find out as much about FM3 as I possibly can especially any flaws. The simple reason is suppose GT5 is released in Dec, this will only leave me 6 weeks to play it. Im currently trying to find out whether its going to be worth purchasing it. I have always maintained that FM3 will only be a stop gap before GT5 is released.

 

[Rand al Thor]

ROFL. This guy is a hoot. I am keeping this quote in my favs. Laugh of the day.



That's fine. I have had 2 Sony digital camera's stop working. A tweeter in one Sony speaker and a woofer in the other Sony tower just stop working, a Sony WEGA Trintron tube go bad in less than 2 years ($450 to repair my $1500 TV at that time).

Microsoft, I went through 4 Xbox 360s, a DS 80 PC sound system where the USB port stopped working, the Microsoft MN wireless network adapter for my PC, and an original Zune that stopped working after about a year and a half.

Sony and MS make garbage for the most part in my experience.

I couldn't disagree with your comment more than you can imagine.

garbage? please. MS is not a cosumer electronics manufacterer. which is why you have the one of the greatest ****ups in gaming manufacturing known as the RROD.

When it comes to electronics, don't even bring MS into the same sentence as sony

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10256571-48.html

Lol what a close poll, 30'261 Total votes, but GT just nicked it.

and that was after a promise of a unicorn as well from che

and what about some of them claiming that PD paid Clarkson and BBC to bash Forza..?

i remember a few tools in the xbox forums where one suggested that clarkson's review of GT4 was totally rigged and he was paid off by sony

 

[G.T.Ace]

Please use the edit button, you dont need to double or even triple post.

 

[dancardesigner]

and that was after a promise of a unicorn as well from che

LOL, just look at this editors comment when you click on the link.

''Editor's note: After numerous complaints of cheating and in-game content being offered as payment for votes, I've decided to close the poll. Way to ruin the fun for the rest of us, guys.''

ROFL, how desperate can one be?

 

[Strittan]

LOL, just look at this editors comment when you click on the link.

''Editor's note: After numerous complaints of cheating and in-game content being offered as payment for votes, I've decided to close the poll. Way to ruin the fun for the rest of us, guys.''

ROFL, how desperate can one be?

Why are you guys bringing this up again?

It was funny though, how that Forza forum cheated but they still lost the poll. 👍

 

[Jay]

Don't you just love these people....

I mean, really?

Is there any real worth in actually joining that forum if you don't hail Forza and all of it's successors thereof?

Amusingly that post you quoted (100% biased post) was made by our friend SatansReverence.

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10256571-48.html

Lol what a close poll, 30'261 Total votes, but GT just nicked it.

Yeah, Turn 10 bribed Forza 2 players with a Unicorn car to vote for Forza, was very successful intially as Forza votes rocketed away and left GT in the dust (one point it was almost 70% Forza) then the GT votes closed in at a fast rate and just after it passed Forza the author of the poll closed it due to the vote rigging. Who knows how far it would have gone.

 

[Tenacious D]

That's fine. I have had 2 Sony digital camera's stop working. A tweeter in one Sony speaker and a woofer in the other Sony tower just stop working, a Sony WEGA Trintron tube go bad in less than 2 years ($450 to repair my $1500 TV at that time).

Microsoft, I went through 4 Xbox 360s, a DS 80 PC sound system where the USB port stopped working, the Microsoft MN wireless network adapter for my PC, and an original Zune that stopped working after about a year and a half.

Sony and MS make garbage for the most part in my experience.

You can't equate personal anecdotal experience to the market. This is a huge fallacy. Equating tens of thousands or even a few hundred thousand disc read errors on a PS2 DVD drive to the several millions of failed 360s can't be taken seriously.

Estimated failure rate of PS1, PS2, GameCube: 2.5%

Estimated failure rate of PS3, Wii: 1% or less (7/2007).

Estimated failure rate of XBox: 4% - hey, it even blue screened on Bill Gates in an on stage presentation.

Estimated failure rate of 360: between 20 - 68%!!

Yes, you read that right. The 360 failure rate is so incredibly vague because MS refuses to release any data, only retroactive warranty uprade announcements. However, the EXTREMELY high failure rate is being fielded in this article:

In-depth expose reveals Microsoft's XBox 360 failure rate was 68%
by Mike Ferro
Sept 6, 2008

Brief quotes:

Takahashi gives an overview on how Microsoft Execs knowingly gave the go ahead for production of the Xbox 360 despite being aware of the high failure rate. It was all due to a race to beat Sony to the market for control of the living room.

The strategic chess moves as Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, and company take risk after risk, trying to outmaneuver their archrivals for the brass ring: dominance of the incredibly lucrative video game market and control of the digital entertainment gateway in the living room.

GameDaily’s overview of Takahashi’s report reveals out of every 100 Xbox 360, 68 would fail in the initial phase before production.

Microsoft knew it had flawed machines, but it did not delay its launch because it believed the quality problems would subside over time. With each new machine, the company figured it would ride the ‘learning curve,’ or continuously improve its production. Even though Microsoft’s leaders knew their quality wasn’t top notch, they did not ensure that resources were in place to handle returns and quickly debug bad consoles. There were plenty of warning signs, but the company chose to ignore them.

It also seems Microsoft in order to save $2 million of a $25 million contract with the third party vendor decided to forgo the quality assurance machines that are suppose to detect the sort of issues the Xbox 360 had.

I know you think the battery failure rate is funny, but this is because you don't understand the technology involved in delivering portable power. Laptop users are demanding all kinds of power, and soon this is going to be an issue in electric cars. Batteries produce power by strong chemical reactions. More power requires even more dynamic reactions. The problem is that in order to deliver more power over longer periods of time, these reactions result in batteries that are inherently unstable and dangerous. This is an unavoidable problem, as long as you have users demanding ever more and longer term power. I can hardly wait for this to start occurring in electric cars. Or has it already? If not, it will. It's not the battery makers' fault, it's ours.

I'm not a big fan of SONY the global megacorp. They overprice many of their products and services. As an owner of some SONY studio gear, it's excellent, sometimes fairly priced, sometimes not, but out-of-warranty costs can be a pain, which is why a defective SONY reverb I own is still sitting there until I can afford the stupid repair bill.

The games division however, SONY Computer Entertainment, is quite a different animal. The PS3 is reliable and cheap for what it offers, and they do treat their customers very well - for the most part. You can certainly find a number of stories of PS3 users sending in dust-caked PS3s for repair only to be told the warranty doesn't cover ant farm infestation.

By the way, I can't seem to access the FW website anymore, since it doesn't recognize my Live ID, and I see no desire to go through the insane flaming hoops to fix the account. Oh well.

 

[sumbrownkid]

This topic is getting off-topic.

The Forza screens do look wildly different from each other, but I'm sure Turn 10 know about it and probably fixed it or are fixing it before release.

 

[TeamStig]

Microsoft is trying to squeeze every last penny out of Xbox Live while Sony is busy overpricing four year old hardware (I'm looking at you, PSP go). Personally I don't think one is better than the other.

This topic is getting off-topic.

The Forza screens do look wildly different from each other, but I'm sure Turn 10 know about it and probably fixed it or are fixing it before release.

Agreed, it seems like FM3's photos either look very impressive or as if they were just touched up, photo mode screenshots from FM2. And I consider FM2 one of the worst looking racing games of this generation (especially with the car models).

 

[dancardesigner]

PGR4 is better looking than Forza 3 imo, to be honest i don't think Forza 3 looks all that great.







If we are comparing graphics, it should be this game, look at them road textures

 

[Terronium-12]

Amusingly that post you quoted (100% biased post) was made by our friend SatansReverence.

I figured he had been banned there as well, but, in any case and I can't say this enough - stop with the porting. It takes away from the game when you're looking at completely new or completely re-modeled cars and there's one port that's only been, at the very up-converted.

Off topic, well maybe not...but FM2 doesn't have the Esso TS020, does it?

EDIT: In all honestly, PGR would kill as a simulation racer but only if it kept to what's it been doing since day one - Closed circuit-esque street racing, at best PGR3 and 4 are borderline simcade, I would have liked to see how that would play out.

 

[Havok_]

Gentlemen, there are plenty of people who will defend Forza until their lips turn blue but the truth is and will always remain the same. Until the game is released and people actually play it there is not sense in comparing the hypothetical.

With the specs alone Forza seems to look like an impressive game, but to all of the GT faithful it is meaningless due to all the mud slinging from the turn 10 staff. This in turn has created an even bigger rift between fans of driving games and in my honest opinion shows that turn 10 know they have an inferior product. They put down GT for the sole purpose to be mentioned in the same breath just as a marketing ploy.

I truly belive that as soon as GT5 is released the comparisons will finally end. Gt5 has been in prodcution for so long and the potential is so immense that even Kaz himeslf has a hard time explaining it. none of us know what the actual game will consist of and all this mystery is only heightening our expectations. I really know that gt5 will be THE driving simulator we all have been waiting for, and by all of the strong convictions of my fellow GTlanet members in this very thread i also know this somehow binds us even more

Let us leave this retarded Forza vs. GT topic and just imagine a romp through good ol Midfield Raceway in an Enzo. My two cents paid for in full.

 

[gtone339]

Off topic, well maybe not...but FM2 doesn't have the Esso TS020, does it?

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[Jay]

due to all the mud slinging from the turn 10 staff. This in turn has created an even bigger rift between fans of driving games

This is the part I don't like, I never remember it being this bad when it was Sega GT competing with Gran Turismo. I owned Sega GT aswell, but I liked Gran Turismo more.

 

[TeamStig]

Gentlemen, there are plenty of people who will defend Forza until their lips turn blue but the truth is and will always remain the same. Until the game is released and people actually play it there is not sense in comparing the hypothetical.

With the specs alone Forza seems to look like an impressive game, but to all of the GT faithful it is meaningless due to all the mud slinging from the turn 10 staff. This in turn has created an even bigger rift between fans of driving games and in my honest opinion shows that turn 10 know they have an inferior product. They put down GT for the sole purpose to be mentioned in the same breath just as a marketing ploy.

I truly belive that as soon as GT5 is released the comparisons will finally end. Gt5 has been in prodcution for so long and the potential is so immense that even Kaz himeslf has a hard time explaining it. none of us know what the actual game will consist of and all this mystery is only heightening our expectations. I really know that gt5 will be THE driving simulator we all have been waiting for, and by all of the strong convictions of my fellow GTlanet members in this very thread i also know this somehow binds us even more

Let us leave this retarded Forza vs. GT topic and just imagine a romp through good ol Midfield Raceway in an Enzo. My two cents paid for in full.

👍 +1

 

[dancardesigner]

Yes it does

 

[TeamStig]

This is the part I don't like, I never remember it being this bad when it was Sega GT competing with Gran Turismo. I owned Sega GT aswell, but I liked Gran Turismo more.

I think that's because the Dreamcast was successful for about 15 minutes after it launched, compared to the PS1 which Sony supported for roughly a decade. Also Sega GT wasn't marketed to hell and back, unlike Forza. And then there's that part about it being a terrible game...

 

[Jay]

Sega GT wasn't terrible, atleast I didn't think so.

 

[dancardesigner]

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[Terronium-12]

That's my mistake, I should have clarified I meant this one...

EDIT: Hopefully you all see the picture, because I can't. Not anymore.

 

[Windfire1010]

Sega GT wasn't terrible, atleast I didn't think so.

I agree with you Jay. Sega GT was a pretty good game.

 

[Tenacious D]

I fail to feel the luuv from Turn 10 either.

And of course this needs some clarification. It's pretty clear that T10 is full of car nuts themselves. I wouldn't doubt that many of them, if they were as successful as Kazunori's mad scientists, would have a garage which would in some form or fashion be the envy of us all too. But see, there's a certain passion I feel lacking, and I see it manifesting in the copycat-itis that afflicts Turn 10.

Passionate artists, writers or whatever don't get inspired by someone making a huge splash, and then lifting the entire style as well as the body of work and calling it their own. Jordan Rudess of Dream Theater fame is greatly inspired by the legendary Keith Emerson. Both are superb keyboardists. But Jordan would have been a lame musician if he basically dissected Emerson Lake and Palmer songs and cloned them with a few changes, and then had the audacity to call them his own.

And this is what I see... well, most people have a problem with the Forza series. They didn't look at the motorsports world and say, "What can we do that hasn't been done before?" It's painfully clear that they looked at Gran Turismo and said, "This is about the biggest selling formula of all time. Let's do it too." It's clear to me that the passion in MS's game division is money money money, because that's all MS is about.

Kaz and his team, for the most part, have come up with something truly special. It's not so radically different that we didn't think, "Why didn't someone think of this before!" But it took the ladder of progress in gaming and applied it to motorsports in a way that hasn't been equaled. Just about every aspect of cars and racing is there. Car collecting. Enhancing and modding. Racing from hobbyist to semi-pro to professional, in a few different, wonderful flavors. Gran Turismo is car lust incarnate, and gives us car fiends a taste of car heaven. And the biggest reason it's such a delectable treat for us is because the care and passion Kazunori and his team have for this game results in something that is worthy of being called a work of art. Every game. And that's what I don't think Forza will ever have, because they don't have passion, they have avarice.

Good games. Even great games. But artwork showing loving care? Eh, not to me, and I see this reflected in the developers' desperate, rude attitude.

And hey, I corrected all my Froza typos.

 

[TeamStig]

I agree with you Jay. Sega GT was a pretty good game.

The physics were way too touchy and the analog was set very sensitive. Only the FWD cars were somewhat easy to drive and even they were a bit off. The fictional tracks were pretty forgettable, too. I think the only thing Sega GT did right was with the carrozzeria feature. You could basically build your own cars (it would work something like this: select a predetermined body design, then choose drivetrain, type of engine, etc.). I am surprised no games have attempted it since. There was a lot of potential there.

Here's hoping GT5 will let you design cars from scratch!

 

[II IVORBIGUN II]

Before I begin im not 100% sure of the stats im posting and I would appreciate someone confirming these.

After looking at the sales of the GT franchise its little wonder Turn 10 presented FM3 in the way they did. Im 100% sure MS would of placed demands on Turn 10 by saying you must have FM3 ready before GT5 is released.

So far FM2 sold 3.99m copies but so did GT5P and this was obviously released later and is only a teaser. Overall GT franchise has sold 52m copies and GT4 sold 12m. However with GT4 a staggering 5.8m copies were sold in Europe with 2.9m in the US with the rest spread across Japan etc.

The problem as I see it for Turn 10 is in Europe the spread between 360/PS3 consoles is fairly even without a particular favourite. In Japan its PS3 and in America its the 360. The problem is Turn 10 need to convince alot of Europeans to not buy GT5 and opt for FM3. However in the US where the 360 is the clear favourite, racing games aren't as popular with FPS games ruling the market over there.

Have to say i was amazed to read some of these stats (if correct) especially GT5P selling as many copies of FM2. Based on all of this Turn 10 really have their work cut out to be as popular as GT. Based on these figures I wouldn't be surprised if GT5 outsells FM3 by treble the amount.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

^
That might happen Ivor, but then again people might go out and buy a FPS style game, although a lot of people have been patient & impatient about GT5.

 

[hardvibes]

The problem is Turn 10 need to convince alot of Europeans to not buy GT5 and opt for FM3.

I'd really like to know the percentage of people in Europe owning both consoles (out of the total of course, not only racing fanatics) cause I don't think many do or are willing to pay for a second one just to get Gt5 or Fm3.

I myself was tempted to get a 360 lately but then I figured...what the hell! I'd have to buy: the console, the wifi adapter, the hdd, fm3, ANOTHER WHEEL (fanatec of course, but they're never in stock), live subscription. I don't have that kind of money. I already made a big sacrifice getting the hdtv, 5.1 sound system, ps3/gt5p/dfgt.

 

[Smoke&Slide]

I'm not going to buy a 360 ( maybe in the future who knows ), i spent enough on buying the PS3 and all the games etc i bought for it.