Forza3 Definitive Trailer: AKA Why we are better than GT5 w Pro Racer Testimonials.

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I'd really like to know the percentage of people in Europe owning both consoles (out of the total of course, not only racing fanatics) cause I don't think many do and/or are willing to pay for a second one just to get Gt5 or Fm3.
Difficult to say but there are likely to be more people willing to buy a PS3 for GT5 than PS3 owners buying a 360 for FM3.

Using my Xbox live friends list and I know of quiet a few who are planning to buy a PS3 for GT5 especially if a price cut occurs. I also find my friends list quiet interesting as it compromises of many from US/UK. What I find is many from the US will stick with FM3 no matter what GT5 offers and have no interest in the PS3. However those from the UK/Europe are more open minded and will buy the best racing game whereever it comes from!

I know I shouldn't generalise but my views are purely based on the behaviour of those on my friends list and on various forums. What I find amongst my US friends is this loyalty to the 360/FM3 is simply because Turn 10/MS are an american company. I find this rather strange because if the UK produced a console I wouldn't prefer this just because its made in the UK. I want to own the best available console and have no interest in where it comes from.

Just add that I don't intend to offend those from the US in this post. There will obviously be exceptions to this but these are my experiences that I have noticed based on my friends list and forums.
 
I know I shouldn't generalise but my views are purely based on the behaviour of those on my friends list and on various forums. What I find amongst my US friends is this loyalty to the 360/FM3 is simply because Turn 10/MS are an american company.

If you asked my dad from which country made car game you should buy, i bet last USA would be the last in that chart. He was a car mechanic in th 70s and oldsmobiles and other US gems were giving him a real trouble :D
UK console/game would not be very high also with this logic :)

Oldmobiles had one nice feature of disintegrating spark plugs when you were changing them they would break and drop fragments inside the block. :)

Generally japanese cars have allways been the most long lasting and so seems the PS3.

And sorry about little of topic :)
 
You can't equate personal anecdotal experience to the market. This is a huge fallacy.

Nope, you sure can't. And I have no desire to compare quality of brands as a whole (since I don't give a flying hoot who is better). I don't care if failure rates for Sony products on average were .000001% and MS products were 100%. Or if MS products failure rate was .000001% and Sony products were 100%. All that matters to me is my experience with both products. They are both garbage.

Back on topic, I don't care if FM3 sells 5 billion copies and GT5 sells 1 million copies, or if GT5 sells 5 billion and FM3 gets 1 million. It has ZERO bearing on me or my experience or desire to race those two games. No matter what someone else has for an opinion on which game is (better) doesn't change the fact that I will own both. If GT5 (or FM3) got a metacritic score average of 5 or less, but I enjoyed the game, again, I don't care. I just WANT them.
 
^I'm with Bogie on this one. And people stick to 360s here in the states because they are either twelve year old Halo addicts who can't get mom and dad to buy them a ps3 or just slaves to Halo and don't acknowledge other games, or an adult who honestly can't afford to pay for another console in this weak economy.
 
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Halo isn't the reason I even bought my 360. I don't even like Halo. Any games I play are for the 360 for whatever reason.

My PS3 was purchased for 3 reasons. Blu-Ray. GT. and MGS. In that order. If it wasn't for Blu-Ray I may have actually sat this GT out. I wasn't going to shell out that much money just for GT. I actually only own 5 games for the PS3.

Thats why I stick with the 360.
 
^I may have unfairly generalized you, but a lot of people fit that scenario (my young cousins, and my older cousins kids, friends, and roommates).
 
I don't care if failure rates for Sony products on average were .000001% and MS products were 100%. Or if MS products failure rate was .000001% and Sony products were 100%. All that matters to me is my experience with both products. They are both garbage.
Personal experience =/= actual statistics. I guess it sucks to be you then. My personal experience with Ms is okay to pretty freaking sad. With SONY, it's surprisingly very good. Reliable, great performance and support, and with the PS2 and 3, fantastic games.

And this is why I stick with Playstation. Their developer community produces games with a quality like a fine movie, and it's across a broad spectrum. Media Molecule, Insomniac, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch, Kojima Productions, Guerilla Games, Polyphony Digital and so on. These guys go out of their way to provide a gaming experience, to produce a game that they would want to play. They spend the extra effort to mine all kinds of extra resources from the Cell and put them to work, and support each other to get the most out of the PS3.

MS has Turn 10 and Epic, to an extent. They don't even have Bungie anymore. Their exclusives are like PC games, which I'm not impressed with. The best thing you can say about the 360 is MS spends a lot of money to buy multiplats. Which is why I still have one 360 game after two years.

The Playstation is also supported for more than a decade. The PS1 wasn't just supported for a decade, it was in production for eleven years! The PS2 is in it's ninth year and still going strong, and the library is incredible. I doubt I'll ever stop buying games for it because so many of them are so good. When people laughed at Kaz Hirai saying they'd be supporting the PS3 for ten years, they showed they didn't know a thing about Playstation history.

The XBoxes are made with a PC philosophy from a PC company. The XBox was four years and done, and I expect something similar to the poorly thought out 360 with its old technology and costly proprietary nonsense.

Which brings me back to Turn 10. They know they're up against a company which doesn't just chase the almighty money. Kazunori actually cares, and his games show it. T10 have their fanbase, but the whole world reacts to news about a new Gran Turismo like it's a Peter Gabriel album or Bond movie. Every tidbit of news about GT5 causes ripples around the internet world, and they're painfully aware of this. They could act classy, like start-ups which blatantly tried to copy their way into a hunk of the market but admit who is the real deal. But Microsoft just doesn't have much class.
 
@Tenacious D
absolutely agree!!!
I tried to put it in words, but I think "...Kazunori actually cares, and his games show it. ..." suits best for what I think!
Just take a look at the credits section of GT4 (or maybe GT5P) and Forza 2...

Btw: I´m one of these "Race Fanatics" and I own both consoles with FM2 and GT5P...(and surely I´m going to buy GT5 and FM3)
 
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I admire Forza profusely. I think that Forza 3 will be a great game, and would probably be the best if there were no GT. But no one can go up against Gran Turismo and Polyphony because no one is so devoted to their game as Kazunori Yamauchi.

And the simple fact is, Forza 3 will have less than half the number of cars, doesn't look as good, and can't possibly have better physics because GT is so close to real life already.

That's not to say that Forza 3 won't likely have some edges over GT5. It'll almost certainly have better online MP, and the tire deformation thing probably won't be in GT5. But GT5 is bound to have improved online over GT5P, and GT5P is certainly playable. And I don't even know that the tire deformation will even be noticeable.

But most of all, you Forza doesn't have the establishment of a series with a history over a decade. All of the Forza series was released after GT4. So actually, GT5 has been in development for as long as Forza 2 and 3 put together.

So if I had an Xbox 360 I'd buy Forza 3. But then GT5 would come out and I'd buy a PS3 and probably never play Forza again. But I have a PS3, so I'm not going to buy Forza, and I am going to buy GT5.
 
Personal experience =/= actual statistics.

Personal experience is what matters. My personal experience is that Sony and MS suck. My Sony crap broke and my MS crap broke. Your experience is different, but that means jack to me. It's different experience for you. Simple really.

As far as Forza and GT5 are concerned, the history of their legends, the consoles they reside on, and the developers that make them have no bearing on whether or not I enjoy the game. I have hundreds of hours playing Forza titles and I have quite a few hours in GT5p in the past month....and I have LOVED every dang hour equally, and I look forward to HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of hours on FM3 and GT5.
 
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Personal experience is what matters.

Quoted for the truth.

I'm being completely neutral right now with each side. I will get the console I have shared an experience with, even if it's an spiritual one. If I had an Xbox instead of a PS2, I would buy an Xbox 360, provided the Xbox never went wrong or anything like it. Destiny wanted otherwise, and so I got a PS2, and that's why I will buy a PS3 when I can.
 
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Difficult to say but there are likely to be more people willing to buy a PS3 for GT5 than PS3 owners buying a 360 for FM3.

Using my Xbox live friends list and I know of quiet a few who are planning to buy a PS3 for GT5 especially if a price cut occurs. I also find my friends list quiet interesting as it compromises of many from US/UK. What I find is many from the US will stick with FM3 no matter what GT5 offers and have no interest in the PS3. However those from the UK/Europe are more open minded and will buy the best racing game whereever it comes from!

I know I shouldn't generalise but my views are purely based on the behaviour of those on my friends list and on various forums. What I find amongst my US friends is this loyalty to the 360/FM3 is simply because Turn 10/MS are an american company. I find this rather strange because if the UK produced a console I wouldn't prefer this just because its made in the UK. I want to own the best available console and have no interest in where it comes from.

Just add that I don't intend to offend those from the US in this post. There will obviously be exceptions to this but these are my experiences that I have noticed based on my friends list and forums.
I have yet to meet someone, or talk to someone who said they bought an XBOX because it's an American company.
The only person I know with a PS3 other than me, is my brother, and he bought it cause it was barely used, from a friend.
Everyone I know that does have an XBOX, bought it because they're half the price. They buy 200$ Arcade versions, because they don't have the cash. I know one guy, who has an 360 Elite, and he's 50, he had the cash.
The main reason I've heard for people buying XBOX, is supposedly it's better, although I know it can't be that specifically, because they wouldn't buy the worst XBOX if they were really gunning for high quality. That, combined of course, with the simple fact nobody has ever given me logical reason for XBOX superiority over PS3.

I personally made the choice to buy PS2 and PS3 just for GT3, 4, and 5. If I ever get the extra cash to buy an XBOX, I'll get a 360 Arcade and a used hdd, just to play the Forza games, but that's about it, because racing games are about all I play.

So here's an absurdly On-topic question: Who are the "pro racers" that testify Forza 3 to be better? And how, since it isn't out yet? (Either Game)
 
Personal experience is what matters.

I agree personal experience is what matters. But not even listening to other people's ideas and viewpoints and information - is ludicrous.


I am neutral on this one, as well. I am fully willing to concede to Forza's superiority, if it is proved so. I myself have a PS3, and hence will be getting GT5. But, I certainly don't have any ill feelings towards Forza, apart from the marketing of it.
 
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More Xbox 360s are sold in the US because it has a wealth of exclusive first person shooters. And right now, first person shooters are big in this country.
 
First person shooters get really boring after a while since it's just run and gun the entire time, unlike Socom where you have to think your next move. Racing games can become boring too though.
 
Time to bring this thread back on topic.

Apart from the silly rewind feature and the fact there are only 8 cars on track, I'm starting to believe Forza 3 will indeed to kick some ***. 👍

Of course, the graphics is not even on the same planet as GT5, but it seems like an enjoyable game for sure! In fact so enjoyable that if I wasn't a broke studier, I would perhaps get an Xbox360.
 
I had a bad pizza, therefore all pizza sucks. Just my personal experience. ;)

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certainly there's an element of americans who buy or will buy the 360/fm3 soley because their makers are american companies. But you will also find for example japanese people who won't buy anything xbox because they are american as well.

i think it's natural to see certain people flocking to the 360 since microsoft is an american company and nationalism can be a strong motivating factor. Especially when the other 2 platform holders are japanese.
 
Couple of facts about this thread that I've noticed:

1) Second biggest thread on GT5 forum is about Forza 3.
2) People who post pictures usually do it in those ways:
a) GT fan posts beautifull pictures of GT5 and doesn't try to post best forza 3 pictures.
b) Forza fan posts beautifull pictures of Forza 3 and doesn't try to post best GT5 pictures.

Non the less it's good, because I enjoy watching beautifull shots of both games. :sly:

But seriously, some of you should consider using your energy on something more usefull than pointless discussion about which game is/will be better. ;)

As far as my opinion goes. Enthusia 2 would be a winner to me if there was one. :(
 
Couple of facts about this thread that I've noticed:

1) Second biggest thread on GT5 forum is about Forza 3.
2) People who post pictures usually do it in those ways:
a) GT fan posts beautifull pictures of GT5 and doesn't try to post best forza 3 pictures.
b) Forza fan posts beautifull pictures of Forza 3 and doesn't try to post best GT5 pictures.

Non the less it's good, because I enjoy watching beautifull shots of both games. :sly:

But seriously, some of you should consider using your energy on something more usefull than pointless discussion about which game is/will be better. ;)

As far as my opinion goes. Enthusia 2 would be a winner to me if there was one. :(

Exactly +1:tup: Who really gives a s**t, well except fanboys.
If Forza 3 is better than GT5 i will buy that, if GT5 is better than Forza 3 i will buy that. Simple as.

I happen to think Forza 3 looks crap and shouldn't even be compared to the work of art that is GT5. Damn even PGR3 looks way better than Forza 3 graphically speaking and that is a first wave game.
 
But seriously, some of you should consider using your energy on something more usefull than pointless discussion about which game is/will be better. ;)

Agreed.

Come on... why must you be tied to one series or the other? Why must you take sides? They're only video games after all...

Yes, okay, I do prefer GT. I'm getting a PS3 and GT5, but I wouldn't shell out for a 360 and FM3, because I don't love Forza as much as I love GT. But I still have FM1 on my old Xbox upstairs, and it's just fantastic. It provides something of a breath of fresh air after four years of GT4. Not to mention the physics are perfect for some Ken Block-style 4WD sideways action :sly:

I mean, jeez, I've seen some pretty bad arguments on YouTube and suchlike between Forza and GT fans... not to mention that weird guy on YouTube that wishes PS3 fans dead, and works for Microsoft.

Fanboyism = idiocy. End of.
 
I happen to think Forza 3 looks crap and shouldn't even be compared to the work of art that is GT5. Damn even PGR3 looks way better than Forza 3 graphically speaking and that is a first wave game.
This shot really says otherwise.
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It could pass for a GT pic if the helmet & headlights didn't look so off. The bloom effect that's always seen in X360 games could be toned down too. Other than that, it's a great screenshot.
 
It does look good but the car model itself has some major inaccuracies.

Do tell. I have no idea what they could be, as I pretty much know jack s*** about imports, whether they "locally" branded or not.
 
My biggest issue with that Integra picture is where the light hits the car. Notice how it just stops at the edge of the front bumper. That's a huge oversight.

Aside from that its fine. Definitely not GT5 level, but close.
 
My biggest issue with that Integra picture is where the light hits the car. Notice how it just stops at the edge of the front bumper. That's a huge oversight.

Aside from that its fine. Definitely not GT5 level, but close.

Well to me the light on the bumper doesn't actually match the way the light is hitting the rest of the car. I'm guessing the bumper hasn't been "upgraded" to the reflection quality of the rest of the car yet. If you look at earlier screenshots the way the light is on the bumper is how it was on the entire car. But you can obviously see that has been improved.


Che also stated in that thread that the lights are being fixed.


And one of the biggest issues that people have with that pic is that particular model of car does not come from the factory with a sunroof.
 
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