GameSpot: Yamauchi Talks GT5

[SuperCobraJet]

Even if it means waiting 6 years between releases? Right... I enjoy the GT series as much as the next person and cannot wait for the game, but this time they have gone too far with it.

I have to agree, although as I have said before I don't believe its Kaz's fault as much as Sony's.

Nevertheless, whatever the reason, 6yrs. is way over any reasonable time frame.

 

[chepe371]

your exactly right. His reputation of taking YEARS to produce a game, that keep being delayed.

Technically it was never delayed, like some said Prologue counts, but its hard not to get jaded while keeping track of this game, however, how many times in a lifetime where ANYTHING nevermind a game merits so much attention, personally theres no game that i've watched so closely and anticipated so much (besides most of the GTA series, since GTA1) so you know the hourglass holds the sand, closer with every tick of the hand.

 

[Devedander]

And don't get mad at him, if he told you all everything then you'd get all hyped up then he'd come back and say "Oh we're not doing that... it wasn't gonna work out."

Imagine your disappointment THEN

Imagine if he actually made sure he wasn't biting off more than he could chew, told us what they were going to do and then did it... like you know... like it should be? This how much better that would be...

Why are you choosing between two evils as if those are the only choices?

 

[Tenacious D]

So we can finally put to rest the "still hope for NA/EU earlier than japan posts" and the if there is anyone still left wondering about career mode being left out somehow, that's settled...

Does the way this is worded sound to anyone else like PD really didnt' have much until recently and then somewhere in the last 6-12 months have just started deciding to add the stuff that wasn't already in previous GTs? As if the first 4 of the 5 years was spent basically making a prettier GT4?

Along with the work done on Tourist Trophy and Prologue, I'd add this quote of myself in the TGS thread:

You do have to take into account the GTPSP development time. They didn't just port GT4 to the PSP. That game was more than 5 gigabytes on a dual layer DVD. So you had 70 more cars - or more, 800 some odd total, a similar number of race courses, and all this compressed into one-fifth the space, and the game code had to be written from scratch. More than likely, this took more than a year to accomplish.

Imagine GT5 having already released between March and June of this year, or coming this fall with most or all the goodies we asked for included. This is what GTPSP prevented.

no game is ever perfect, he could keep tweaking and perfecting this game for years to come if he really wanted to. Once again, if the guys making Forza can come up with a game in the short amount of time, why cant PD?

Forza 2 had SO many bugs, it was being perpetually patched, and some, like the livery editor bugs, were never fixed. It was so annoying, I quit playing it and went back to GT4. You can pretend it's easy, but it's not.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I have to agree, although as I have said before I don't believe its Kaz's fault as much as Sony's.

Nevertheless, whatever the reason, 6yrs. is way over any reasonable time frame.

It hasn't been 6 years.

 

[Rennsport]

Fact of the matter is, Forza is eventually going to catch up with GT. With their current production rate, i'm guessing it won't be long before this happens. And when it does, goodbye Sony. 6 years= ridiculous.

 

[z28black98]

Along with the work done on Tourist Trophy and Prologue, I'd add this quote of myself in the TGS thread:





Forza 2 had SO many bugs, it was being perpetually patched, and some, like the livery editor bugs, were never fixed. It was so annoying, I quit playing it and went back to GT4. You can pretend it's easy, but it's not.

I didnt say it was easy. But from the screenshots I have seen of both games, I cant tell a 3yr difference, can you? Once again, I will buy the game when it comes out, but alot of people are pissed off that it takes over 4yrs to come out with a game. It will be 5.5yrs since GT4 was released when this one comes out in the states.

 

[Cobra_NZ]

No game is ever perfect, he could keep tweaking and perfecting this game for years to come if he really wanted to. Once again, if the guys making Forza can come up with a game in the short amount of time, why cant PD?

Correction, T10 came up with 3 full driving games since GT4 was released, not 1, 3. PD have a released a demo and sold it. It was probably one of the best demos ever made...

 

[cudadude2]

I'm a gt fan and will stay that way, but if i was just getting into racing console games, Turn10's way of dealing with their community and the fact that they seem to cater to their fans nearly makes up for the fact that their running on 20th century DVD technology that will always make their graphic sub standard to the GT games,
so, i'd still get GT, but just barely. And if Forza switches to a BD format, it might be game over.

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[osrg]

so I'd like to guess GT5 has been worked on for 2.5-3 years.

Nope.

It hasn't been 6 years.

Yes it has......

Link: http://www.develop-online.net/news/29626/Polyphony-looks-to-PC-game-development

"The game was first revealed at E3 2006 under the name Vision Gran Turismo. In an April 2008 interview, game creator Kazunori Yamauchi revealed that 150 people had worked on Gran Turismo 5 for four years, with all of Polyphony Digital's 120 employees working on GT5, and the game costing 50 times more to develop than 1997's Gran Turismo."

Hmmm.... 2008 - 4yrs = 2004. That's black and white. By the time the EU release rolls up it will be over 6 yrs, disregarding when or what has been released in that time since. GT5 has been in development for 6yrs, conceptualized for possibly 8yrs +........

It's been in gestation for a hell of a lot longer than 2.5 - 3 yrs.

Look i'm not concerned when it's gonna be released now, i'm tired of riding the rollercoaster of innuendo and smoke & mirrors from PD and Sony.

 

[Simple SIM]

Fact of the matter is, Forza is eventually going to catch up with GT. With their current production rate, i'm guessing it won't be long before this happens. And when it does, goodbye Sony. 6 years= ridiculous.

Forza already caught up to and surpassed GT years ago when it was GT 4 vs Forza.

Now we have to see if GT 5 can surpass Forza 3.

 

[Rennsport]

Nope.



Yes it has......

Link: http://www.develop-online.net/news/29626/Polyphony-looks-to-PC-game-development

"The game was first revealed at E3 2006 under the name Vision Gran Turismo. In an April 2008 interview, game creator Kazunori Yamauchi revealed that 150 people had worked on Gran Turismo 5 for four years, with all of Polyphony Digital's 120 employees working on GT5, and the game costing 50 times more to develop than 1997's Gran Turismo."

Hmmm.... 2008 - 4yrs = 2004. That's black and white. By the time the EU release rolls up it will be over 6 yrs, disregarding when or what has been released in that time since. GT5 has been in development for 6yrs, conceptualized for possibly 8yrs +........

It's been in gestation for a hell of a lot longer than 2.5 - 3 yrs.

Look i'm not concerned when it's gonna be released now, i'm tired of riding the rollercoaster of innuendo and smoke & mirrors from PD and Sony.

+1 I'm with you on this.

 

[CodeRedR51]

Forza already caught up to and surpassed GT years ago when it was GT 4 vs Forza.

Now we have to see if GT 5 can surpass Forza 3.

I just watched a video on youtube of FM3, and I have to say that comparing these two games in absolutely hilarious.

 

[Devedander]

I just watched a video on youtube of FM3, and I have to say that comparing these two games in absolutely hilarious.

I would think you couldn't really make that call until you at least play the F3 demo...

 

[Simple SIM]

I just watched a video on youtube of FM3, and I have to say that comparing these two games in absolutely hilarious.

Why do you laugh at that?

The last time these games went head to head was GT 4 vs Forza 1. Go check Gamerankings or Metacritic... Forza 1 beat GT 4. And if you think it's just coincidence try reading the reviews. In every single Forza review they compared it directly to GT 4 and Forza came out on top. There are actually some pretty damning GT 4 quotes if you care to look.

I see people every day comparing screenshots and proclaiming that Forza 3 doesn't stand a chance......but..... don't you think you are deluding yourself?

Honestly, being prettier than Forza is only going to carry GT 5 so far come review time. Graphics are only ONE aspect reviewers will be looking at. If GT can't match Forza feature after feature then all the pretty internet screenshots in the world aren't going to help GT 5.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I would think you couldn't really make that call until you at least play the F3 demo...

No XBOX, sorry.

Why do you laugh at that?

Cause it was funny.

In every single Forza review they compared it directly to GT 4 and Forza came out on top. There are actually some pretty damning GT 4 quotes if you care to look.

Actually, I don't care to look. But I bet that Forza got better reviews because it had online, and GT4 did not.

I see people every day comparing screenshots and proclaiming that Forza 3 doesn't stand a chance......but..... don't you think you are deluding yourself?

I could care less how pretty it is. It's how the game "feels" and honestly, I think GT is the winner there.

 

[Project R]

Why do you laugh at that?
Honestly, being prettier than Forza is only going to carry GT 5 so far come review time. Graphics are only ONE aspect reviewers will be looking at. If GT can't match Forza feature after feature then all the pretty internet screenshots in the world aren't going to help GT 5.

how many features do you need? GT has great graphics...yes we all know this , they are unsurpassed by any game out there! period. that alone is amazing, but the way gt feels and the way cars respond are also unmatched. which i say is more important than looking good. gt will own any racing game out there, forza will just be fun to play before gt comes out thats all

 

[Simple SIM]

Actually, I don't care to look. But I bet that Forza got better reviews because it had online, and GT4 did not.

I could care less how pretty it is. It's how the game "feels" and honestly, I think GT is the winner there.

All I am saying is that take graphics for what they are. One feature of a game. One of many.

As far as graphics go, Forza 1 completely lost to GT 4. It looked worse AND ran at HALF the framerate ( car reflections were only at 15fps infact ).

It's all the features Forza 1 had that gave it the win.

And no it wasn't JUST online that put Forza ahead. They gave Forza the edge in sound, physics, AI, customization and tuning, damage, they reviewed the entire package, not just graphics.

Right now, based on what we know so far, Forza clearly has the upper hand feature by feature. I hope Polyphony uses its time wisely between now and March.

 

[CodeRedR51]

And no it wasn't JUST online that put Forza ahead. They gave Forza the edge in sound, physics, AI, customization and tuning, damage, they reviewed the entire package, not just graphics.

That is one area (in bold) that I disagree with them. Forza just feels...arcadey to me.

And yes, I know, arcadey's not a real word.

 

[Simple SIM]

how many features do you need? GT has great graphics...yes we all know this , they are unsurpassed by any game out there! period. that alone is amazing, but the way gt feels and the way cars respond are also unmatched. which i say is more important than looking good. gt will own any racing game out there, forza will just be fun to play before gt comes out thats all

How many features do you need? Is that a serious question?

Reviewers are going to look at the graphics and and the win is going to go to GT 5 no doubt about that. But what about everything else? ( And I'm not implying graphics is the only area GT is ahead ).

What about Online? We already KNOW Forza 3's online is going to be insanely robust. Infact F3 may very well be the "most online" racing game...ever. If GT 5's online appears barebones by comparison you don't think reviewers will account for that?

Or what about Sound? Is that an insignificant feature?

How about Damage? You think people won't notice that only some cars have a damage model while most just have "paint damage."

If GT 5 doesn't have a livery editor that WILL be mentioned. People WANT ( and reviewers are people too ) to be able to customize their cars.

AI will be compared aswell, and if the AI is just mindlessly following their set path, slamming into you because you happen to be in the way.....

Anyway, we could go on and on, it's just that I found your comments about features to be somewhat naive. Have you never read a review before? The list of FEATURES..... that's exactly what is going to be talked about in great detail come review time.

 

[Simple SIM]

That is one area (in bold) that I disagree with them. Forza just feels...arcadey to me.

And yes, I know, arcadey's not a real word.

Well you are ofcourse entitled to your opinion, but the opinion of most reviewers is that Forza does not feel arcadey. They think it feels like a SIM. Which it is.

Infact, reviewers are more likely to say that GT feels arcadey when they run into a wall or another car and *Boing*

In the area of Physics, GT could use some improvement.

 

[Jtrek]

meh ive got both the xbox and ps3.. if anybody can seriously say forza 3 demo isnt good they are crazy.. its very realistic but to me it really cant touch even your basic gran turismo.. but its a lot of fun and interesting (clutch) to play with

 

[Jtrek]

Well you are ofcourse entitled to your opinion, but the opinion of most reviewers is that Forza does not feel arcadey. They think it feels like a SIM. Which it is.

Infact, reviewers are more likely to say that GT feels arcadey when they run into a wall or another car and *Boing*

In the area of Physics, GT could use some improvement.

really? no fanboy here but i always play forza 2 for the arcade feel it gives.. the new demo is a lot better but i wouldnt consider it so much a sim..

to me I think the fanboys of forza call it a sim because of damage and the fact that gt doesnt have it it just makes the cars bounce off the walls.. who cares? how else could they have solved the problem of not having damage? look at every other element that disregards damage

 

[CodeRedR51]

Infact, reviewers are more likely to say that GT feels arcadey when they run into a wall or another car and *Boing*

Have you seen the new GC and TGS damage videos? Much improved over that GIF. 👍

Also, I think if they are basing the physics off of how the cars hit things, they aren't looking at it right. For me, it's mainly about how the car handles around the track.

 

[Simple SIM]

really? no fanboy here but i always play forza 2 for the arcade feel it gives.. the new demo is a lot better but i wouldnt consider it so much a sim..

to me I think the fanboys of forza call it a sim because of damage and the fact that gt doesnt have it it just makes the cars bounce off the walls.. who cares? how else could they have solved the problem of not having damage? look at every other element that disregards damage

GRID is an Arcadey racer, PGR and Ridge racer are also arcadey racers. Forza is a hardcore SIM and if you think otherwise you are.... misinformed.

 

[CodeRedR51]

GRID is an Arcadey racer, PGR and Ridge racer are also arcadey racers. Forza is a hardcore SIM and if you think otherwise you are.... misinformed.

I wouldn't say that we're misinformed if that's our opinion.

PGR! Loved that game. Many late late nights playing online and winning lots of races.👍

 

[killanite]

@Simple SIM
All you keep talking about are reviewer scores... Do you REALLY need another individual (who may have completely different tastes) to tell you if you should like something or not? Personally , I never pay attention to reviews, and many of the games given poor reviews are games which I find fun to play, and the games that are hyped up and given good reviews seem to be a let down.

Reviews don't decide which game is better... The people who play the games decide for themselves. Afterall, each person has their own individual taste.

Edit: PS: I played GT4 alot more than I played FM1. does that mean I'm wrong?

 

[Simple SIM]

@Simple SIM
All you keep talking about are reviewer scores... Do you REALLY need another individual (who may have completely different tastes) to tell you if you should like something or not? Personally , I never pay attention to reviews, and many of the games given poor reviews are games which I find fun to play, and the games that are hyped up and given good reviews seem to be a let down.

Reviews don't decide which game is better... The people who play the games decide for themselves. Afterall, each person has their own individual taste.

Edit: PS: I played GT4 alot more than I played FM1. does that mean I'm wrong?

If you read my posts you'd know that's not what I'm saying. I didn't even imply anything of the sort.

 

[Simple SIM]

I wouldn't say that we're misinformed if that's our opinion.

PGR! Loved that game. Many late late nights playing online and winning lots of races.👍

Opinions can be misinformed and flat out wrong. Do you disagree?

 

[CodeRedR51]

Opinions can be misinformed and flat out wrong. Do you disagree?

Actually yes, I do.