Gay Marriage

[Ten]

ten, i dont hate you...dont get me wrong...i may not agree with your lifestyle, but that doesnt make me hate you...

As I told Swift -

This is a discussion about my rights and way of life. If you hold arguments that oppose what I believe, I will meet them with my own. I'm very passionate about what I believe, just as you are. Forgive me if I sound rude, but I can't respect people who...well...just plain can't respect the wishes of another, based purely on religion.

You don't agree with me, fine. You don't feel I deserve a right I'm entitled to as a US citizen, that's where we have a problem.

I don't want marriage. I want something exactly like it. It doesn't need to have anything to do with religion. This bond is legal binding. If I wanted marriage, I may as well ask for a Gay Kwanzaa. (don't ask how the specifics of that would work)

So, in all, you're opposing something that has nothing to do with you, simply because you don't like it - and in the end, it ruins my way of life.

You can't expect me to respect you for that. You may not hate me, but I sure despise you.

Even so, I don't hold a personal grudge. I face the ignorance of people like you everyday - it's nothing I'm not used to. I conduct myself as adult as I can around the likes of you. Hence why I don't fly off the hook every time you say something in opposition of my beliefs.

 

[Concept]

I sure do raise hell don't I?

Look, I apologize for my blatant and disrespectful remarks about homosexuality, and for my idiotic signiture. Alas, this si my final word on Gay Marriage before I leave this thread, or am forced to leave the community.


Homosexuailty. It's a very touchy subject. There isn't really much you can say if you're against it that won't offend. I am against Homosexuality because in my opinion, it should be a man and a woman. Homosexuality in my opinion is not natural and shouldn't happen.

Reality is, it does happen. I don't really mind either. I even have a homosexual friend who I actually enjoy the company of. Anyway, if two homosexuals want to be wed that is their own business. I would never try and stop someone from living their lives. I don't agree with it, but I do feel that every person can do whatever they want. They have the right as a person to live their own lives, homosexual or not.

I apologize to HondaKId86 and any other person here at GTP I have offened, whether it be intentional or not.

Cya.

 

[Carl.]

can anyone here in GTP that from canada tell me if they have made any type of law saying you cannot preach/say anything against homosexuality??

From our criminal code:

319. (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

(2) Every one who, by communicating statements, other than in private conversation, wilfully promotes hatred against any identifiable group is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

Defences

(3) No person shall be convicted of an offence under subsection (2)

(a) if he establishes that the statements communicated were true;

(b) if, in good faith, he expressed or attempted to establish by argument an
opinion on a religious subject;

(c) if the statements were relevant to any subject of public interest, the discussion of which was for the public benefit, and if on reasonable grounds he
believed them to be true; or

(d) if, in good faith, he intended to point out, for the purpose of removal,
matters producing or tending to produce feelings of hatred toward an identifiable group in Canada.

(...)

My understanding is you can still criticize homosexuality, exclude them from any religious group, but you can't incite hatred towards homosexual outside of a private conversation.


Concept: thanks for putting an end to this. 👍

 

[Ten]

Snip!

Yet another reason among many I'll be making a move even further north in the near future.

 

[Joey D]

I don't want marriage. I want something exactly like it. It doesn't need to have anything to do with religion. This bond is legal binding. If I wanted marriage, I may as well ask for a Gay Kwanzaa. (don't ask how the specifics of that would work)

Why wouldn't you want marriage? I'm just curious really because a majority of homosexuals I've met want it. I take it you just want a Civil Union type of thing.

But I have this to say on marriage in general, whether it man to women, man to man, or women to women. Why do most people get married? Well in this country it's frowned upon to have children out of wed lock. Also people say they do it because they love one another and what not. But really what is different between if you marry someone or live with them for the rest of your life. In my mind all a marriage is having the women take your last name, the added benefits, and or course the ability to have a kid without being looked down upon.

 

[emad]

Why wouldn't you want marriage? I'm just curious really because a majority of homosexuals I've met want it. I take it you just want a Civil Union type of thing.

But I have this to say on marriage in general, whether it man to women, man to man, or women to women. Why do most people get married? Well in this country it's frowned upon to have children out of wed lock. Also people say they do it because they love one another and what not. But really what is different between if you marry someone or live with them for the rest of your life. In my mind all a marriage is having the women take your last name, the added benefits, and or course the ability to have a kid without being looked down upon.

the 2 biggest reasons I can think of other than calling it the ultimate way of being together:
1) tax benefits for being married
2) the ability to adopt. If you're not married, it's damn hard to adopt a kid and next to impossible if you're openly homosexual.

 

[Carl.]

Yet another reason among many I'll be making a move even further north in the near future.

Wait before you do, Liberals just screwed up big time lately, it looks probable that conservatives will take over soon, and our conservatives have exactly the same stance as yours on gay rights.

Still, if that happens, it's also very likely that we'll have another referendum on separation in Quebec and it has good chances to succeed, so there's still hope if you can stand french speakers . I'm not sure about the economical situation if that happens thought, with all of the instability, and I think we're leaning a bit too much on the left side in the economic scale. (I see coffee being spitted out of Danoff or Duke noses at this moment ) We'd do great in the EU, but I think we're a bit too far for this!

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[Joey D]

Actually a lot of the Democrats in this country don't support gay marriage at all. John Kerry didn't support it, I don't believe.

 

[Ten]

Blazin, for question number one, I direct you here.

For question number two, I don't think you can answer a question like that without getting a very differing one from everyone. Marriage is many things to many different people.

But I'll try. For me, marriage, or a union, or whatever the hell you call it, is a recognition of the strength of the bond holding the two people together. When you say, "We've been married for 40 some odd years" that's a powerful testament of the love between the two. Compare that to, "We've been dating for 40 some odd years" and it just...I dunno. Pales in comparison to how serious the two are. You commit yourself to a marriage. Before the whole divorce idea came up, (not that I think it's a bad idea) a marriage was a hell of a thing to commit to. You can drop a relationship outside of marriage and just move on without any sort of legal trouble or the like. When you marry, you recognize the serious nature of what you're getting yourself into - and despite the potential damage of breaking it off, you commit to it.

Not to mention, by denying us (homosexuals) this right, we see just how selective the US is in how it treats people. I may not be the most patriotic american, but after some of the stains america has left on it's own history, I'd like to leave a better place for the next generation after I leave - wether I help create that next generation or not.

 

[Joey D]

Ya suppose your right with marriage differing to a lot of people. I don't want to get married for a long time if ever, it seems to many people just jump into marriage and they end up getting divorced.

But hey for all the homosexual guys, one thing that you can look forward to if you get married is that you won't have a women nagging you all the time, not to mention you might be able to win an arguement . You maybe gay, but you are still men, which mean all the same rules apply. Alright so I'm joking, but we needed a mood lightener.

 

[Ten]

Alright so I'm joking, but we needed a mood lightener.

As long as it's in good spirits, I feel they're always more than welcome in here. Good on ya, Blazin!

 

[Joey D]

As long as it's in good spirits, I feel they're always more than welcome in here. Good on ya, Blazin!

Yup I would never go about "gay bashing" since that's just like being racist in my opinion. Oh well I guess some people will never learn though. Just like when you hear the younger kids (wow that makes me sound old), say something is "gay". Last time I checked a car can't be gay, a situation can't be gay, and results can't be gay either.

I love it when I hear kids at car shows go "man that car looks so gay" and I like to look at em and go "how do you know that car like other male cars?" and they are just horrifically confused. But that's just one annoyance of mine, it's got to be even worse for you though.

 

[Ten]

But that's just one annoyance of mine, it's got to be even worse for you though.

I hate the foul truth to this, but you get used to and some times even adopt it.

My family is very supportive (save my father) of homosexuality. In fact they all harbor the same opinions I do on most everything concerning a person's way of life. However, conditioning due to environment has led us to adopt some terms we may not agree with.

Just last night, I was struggling to get Xlink working. I must've said, "This is so queer..." about 37 times.

It's when you acknowledge it as a derogitory term that it becomes a problem. Such as the ever popular "N Word". Certain African-Americans can toss it around all they want - if a person of any other racial origin applies it in exactly the same manner, it becomes a racist slur.

I call my brother fag (he's heterosexual)all the time. I proclaim things to be gay out of frustration. It's a product of conditioning, and I hate to admit that I do it. But I can't deny that it happens.

 

[smellysocks12]

I don't get why people make such a fuss about people using the word "gay" as a negative. First of all gay originally didn't even mean homosexual. Gay can also mean happy I believe, or colorful. I use words like gay all the time, hell I call people I don't like faggots constantly. Doesn't mean I'm thinking about a homosexual when saying that, when I say that I mean "get out of my way asshole". It's just a damn word, the only thing that matters is the context it's in.

 

[Duke]

But "asshole" is not derogatory to a specific group of people. "Fag" is.

 

[Joey D]

Right but when you say "Thats a gay looking car" it can either be taken as that car is happy or that car likes male cars. Either way it's stupid. Plus when you call someone a faggot or gay you sound like a middle schooler who thinks he's all that. I wouldn't go around saying "Thats a N*****looking car" would I? Same pricipal applies.

 

[smellysocks12]

But "asshole" is not derogatory to a specific group of people. "Fag" is.

"Retard" is derogatory to a specific group of people as well, yet you don't hear them complain about you using the word.

 

[Joey D]

Actually not really since the meaning of retard means they are an idiot and people just assume mentally handicap people are retarded. Retarded can also mean to slow down, so my truck is retarded as it comes to a red light. Ah the fun I'm going to have.

 

[smellysocks12]

That way you can find a different meaning for every word.



****** isn't racist either if you look at the 2nd meaning of the word:


nig·ger Audio pronunciation of "******" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ngr)
n. Offensive Slang

1.
1. Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: “You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a ******” (James Baldwin).
2. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any dark-skinned people.
2. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: “Gun owners are the new ******s... of society” (John Aquilino).






Though, I don't go around saying ****** to everyone.


Ok, it's censored but you can guess what it says.

 

[PS]

Telling some people that you want more government could be misconstrued as you a being a proponent of fascism.



I just told you NO.



Interesting how "authority" works for some people but not others.

May I point out that you answered "no" for both questions, yet each question was an opposite way of saying the same thing. To coincide with the first answer your latter would have to be "yes".

 

[PS]

That way you can find a different meaning for every word.



****** isn't racist either if you look at the 2nd meaning of the word:


nig·ger Audio pronunciation of "******" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ngr)
n. Offensive Slang

1.
1. Used as a disparaging term for a Black person: “You can only be destroyed by believing that you really are what the white world calls a ******” (James Baldwin).
2. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any dark-skinned people.
2. Used as a disparaging term for a member of any socially, economically, or politically deprived group of people: “Gun owners are the new ******s... of society” (John Aquilino).






Though, I don't go around saying ****** to everyone.


Ok, it's censored but you can guess what it says.

wtf? You know what "disparaging" means, right?

 

[Touring Mars]

I guess, I'm anti-gay, but don't gay people deserve equal rights? I'm still against gay marriage, because I don't believe that's what marriage is. However, in a country like the U.S., gay couples(in somesort of union) should get equal rights and benefits as the married couple, IMO.

Excellent and honest post... 👍 Making the distinction between opinions and rights is key in this debate. You are perfectly entitled to be opposed to gay marriage, or even homosexuality as a 'concept' (no Concept, I'm not calling you gay... ), but it shouldn't affect the fact that gay couples should have equal rights to heterosexual couples...

 

[Duke]

"Retard" is derogatory to a specific group of people as well, yet you don't hear them complain about you using the word.

Actually, yes, you do, and actually, I never use the word, and actually, I've handed out warnings here for people using the word.

It's every bit as dergatory to s pecific group of mentally handicapped people. That's why I use "idiot" or "moron" instead.

 

[Swift]

As I told Swift -


You can't expect me to respect you for that. You may not hate me, but I sure despise you.

Even so, I don't hold a personal grudge. I face the ignorance of people like you everyday - it's nothing I'm not used to. I conduct myself as adult as I can around the likes of you. Hence why I don't fly off the hook every time you say something in opposition of my beliefs.

Ten, you contradicted yourself. How can you despise someone and not hold a grudge? If you can't get about the belief and see that there is a person behind them then quite frankly you're not mature enough to be a representative for your cause.

Also, I find it rather insulting that you dont' respect XVII. He's doing EXACTLY what you're doing but on the opposite side of the issue. It's pretty stupid on your part not to have respect for that. You can not like him or myself, but we certainly deserve your respect.

 

[Tacet_Blue]

You can not like him or myself, but we certainly deserve your respect.

Deserve respect

You can only earn it...besides I don't see why anyone would have respect for such a bigoted mind

Respect involves admiration and honour, there is nothing honourable or admirable about irrational prejudice.

Live and let live...learn about tolerance towards others, and the diversity of life, you might earn some respect then, and maybe have a happier life yourself

 

[Ten]

Ten, you contradicted yourself. How can you despise someone and not hold a grudge? If you can't get about the belief and see that there is a person behind them then quite frankly you're not mature enough to be a representative for your cause.

Also, I find it rather insulting that you dont' respect XVII. He's doing EXACTLY what you're doing but on the opposite side of the issue. It's pretty stupid on your part not to have respect for that. You can not like him or myself, but we certainly deserve your respect.

So I did. Hmm.

I suppose what I meant by "not hold a grudge" was that I don't get absolutely bent over every little thing he says merely because I do not like him.

As for why I don't respect either of you, I think Tacet summed it up rather nicely.

If you can't get about the belief and see that there is a person behind them then quite frankly you're not mature enough to be a representative for your cause.

And now you've contradicted yourself. What I believe and what I am should be irrellevant to the government. I'm a US citizen. My homosexuality should not deny me simple rights - nor should you.

we certainly deserve your respect.

You deserve my malcontent, which is exactly what you will recieve so long as this issue exists in my lifetime.

 

[Delirious]

i know you are a real person, just like the rest of us...we may not agree with your lifestyle, but you are still a human being just like all of us here at GTP

i dont want you to misunderstand us as what you may percieve as bible thumping christians who hate homosexuals...

 

[Pako]

Well...I'm certainly not changing any minds around here. Point is, gays want the right just because they can't have it. Want to be treated equally, well your not. Homosexuals are different than Heterosexuals. Accept who you are and move on... As long as I can vote, I will make sure that I support marriage as it relates to a Husband and Wife. I will not condone, nor bend my morals just so homosexuals can save a few bucks on their tax return. Is it harsh, maybe a little...and I'm sorry if I've come across strongly....but this is just one of many things that people wine about. Please refer to Duke's "Entitlement" thread where the gut rot of our country is being scratched at by every one who's playing the victim because they were dealt a raw deal and that their house isn't as nice as the Jones.

 

[Ten]

Pako, I've held a lot of respect for you in the past...but don't ever assume you know the reasoning behind what I fight for.

Fight for your side of the coin - rally against us - shove your God down my throat until I choke on it - but don't ever expect me to appreciate it.

That may be harsh and rude, but frankly, I don't give a **** anymore.

"I'm your enemy - I'm everything about the world that makes you ashamed of what you are and holds you down for it - but I deserve your respect."

Eat me.

 

[Pako]

Pako, I've held a lot of respect for you in the past...but don't ever assume you know the reasoning behind what I fight for.

Fight for your side of the coin - rally against us - shove your God down my throat until I choke on it - but don't ever expect me to appreciate it.

That may be harsh and rude, but frankly, I don't give a **** anymore.

What other reason is there? Hoping that a piece of paper will somehow help to define you? All the other reasons for marriage can be expressed and lived without that little piece of paper that says you're married.