Gen 5 Dodge Viper

[Mac K]

Probably not before next season, and if it does show up before next season, it will probably debut at Petit Le Mans. Although the GTS-R had a driver list on the roof.. so it's possible it could debut whenever they are ready to compete.

According to Jalopnik its supposed to debut in a race later this year.

http://m.jalopnik.com/5899107/srt-viper-gts+r-returns-to-alms-racing

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

According to Jalopnik its supposed to debut in a race later this year.

http://m.jalopnik.com/5899107/srt-viper-gts+r-returns-to-alms-racing

Like he said it would most likely be Petit Le Mans which is later this year.

 

[LongbowX]

According to ALMS.com

Intent on recapturing the form that made it sports car racing’s dominant GT force in the early days of the ALMS, SRT Viper will return to the American Le Mans Series presented by Tequila Patrón this season.

And:

“Racing has been a significant part of the illustrious history of Viper not only with significant wins on the track, but also in the continued development of the street cars – and our new 2013 SRT Viper models are proof of those lessons learned,” said Ralph Gilles, President and CEO – Street and Racing Technology Brand and Motorsports, Chrysler Group LLC. “Now with our new team and the launch of the GTS-R, we’re excited and proud to begin writing more chapters in the racing history of the Viper later this summer.”

Which seems to say even before Petit, because that is in the fall. (October)

Link

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That means Lime Rock, Ontario, Mid-Ohio and Road America. I'd say Road America just due to it be a four hour race and a bigger event than the other three well beside Lime Rock which is pretty equal even though be a little more than half the distance.

 

[Dennisch]

Very good looking. Nice. 👍

 

[Chikane_GTR]

something just hit me?. That now has me very worry since the new vip well be in Fm4 first does that mean that turn 10 has the excursively to this car ??

with 0 chance of it being in gt5 or 6 ??..

 

[JohnBM01]

I've been telling people that I am somewhat on the fence for the new Viper's looks. On one end, I think it is the most stylish Viper yet. On another end, it is the softest-looking Viper ever. Almost as if it traded mean looks for style. Somebody either on Facebook or YouTube said that the Viper got a much-needed makeover. I kind of wished they didn't give the Viper that current Dodge corporate face to it with the grill design. The hood design can be changed up as well. I am actually more on the "like" side of the Viper as opposed to dislike.

Blue with white stripes has always been how I liked the Dodge Viper. The Viper looks too plain to me without stripes down the center. The car needs some stripes down the center to give it some meanness. Otherwise, I think the Viper still has plenty of venom and can still strike. You still can't argue over its 600+ hp 8.2(?) V10 engine. My idea is that this Viper was just made to be better-looking and better-performing while still being that demonic bastard that will intimidate you on many levels.

I know there is a racing-spec version of this Viper that I saw on Autoweek's website, but I wouldn't mind seeing a modern GTS-R with something like the Oreca Vipers with the four extra lights.

 

[Cano]

I love the front because it combines everything I like from Alfa Romeo and Ferrari, minus the dullness. It still has that snake look, but at the same time also that "fragile", noble, European design.

Yeah, that is why it absolutely sucks.

I've been telling people that I am somewhat on the fence for the new Viper's looks. On one end, I think it is the most stylish Viper yet. On another end, it is the softest-looking Viper ever. Almost as if it traded mean looks for style.

Yes. It's now a metrosexual Viper. It's a Ferrari with a truck engine. It's so sad. I wouldn't even like it if it wasn't a Viper. So... bland.

 

[MoLiEG]

I'm not completely in love with the new look of the Viper, but I think I will accept it at some point...

As for the performance... my god ... it's just devilish... 640HP is a lot of power...

 

[Encyclopedia]

The front doesn't work. A bit too much ferrari in my opinion, but the back looks very nice like the old GTS. Overall ok. I'm sure it's going to grow on me.

And Italians get 730bhp out of 6.2l V12.

What makes you think that that's the most they were able to push out of it? Manufacturers decide for certain amount of power, and that doesn't have to be the maximum possible. I'm sure both manufacturers could make the engines more powerful if they wanted to.

Also they are different classes of cars, so I fail to see your point.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Go to the NASCAR thread. He does that.

Too true.

 

[Skython]

I approve of the new Viper. First car I have approved of in quite awhile.

 

[BobbyBRAKEaNek]

I see to much of the old school Callaway Corvette in the front. ugh
The A pillar back is gorgeous.

 

[El]

I don't see why you wouldn't compare them, either for fun or if you were seriously going to buy. Price doesn't really matter, as more expensive does not mean better, and although "class" is toss around a lot with cars, it can be a pretty vague term. I feel that is especially true in this case. Both cars have more or less similar performance, and GTS Viper is supposed have all the stuff that's going to help attract the kind of buyers that go for Ferraris, etc. I think's it not only a valid comparison, but I good one. But that's just my opinion.

Hmm. I think its my love for the Viper that causes me to not compare it to the Berlinetta. I just think it would outclass the Viper and make it look bad. Wich it should. Since its a Ferari. And it costs a fortune. The Viper doesent deserve that. So the simplest solution for me is to place them in different classes.

 

[1241Penguin]

In terms of styling, the front seems to have leaped ahead several years. As for the rest of the car though, it looks like just about all the other past Vipers. The front just doesn't seem to match up with the rest of the car.

Or is it just me?

 

[CaddyKOP]

i really want this car in gt5 ..

goes off crying ....

Somehow, instead of Turn 10 going to Dodge, I feel Dodge went to Turn 10.

But, we're still expecting the NSX concept...right?

 

[JJ72]

In terms of styling, the front seems to have leaped ahead several years. As for the rest of the car though, it looks like just about all the other past Vipers. The front just doesn't seem to match up with the rest of the car.

Or is it just me?

it seem to be a universal opinion.

 

[Skython]

In terms of styling, the front seems to have leaped ahead several years. As for the rest of the car though, it looks like just about all the other past Vipers. The front just doesn't seem to match up with the rest of the car.

Or is it just me?

No it doesn't match up, but that imperfection only makes me love it even more. If a car is too perfect then it's boring.

And guys, I'm pretty sure Turn 10 isn't like EA, and if PD wanted the Viper in GT5, T10 would be nice enough to let them. T10 isn't like EA, in which they feel they can only win by hogging a particular manufacturer. T10 plays it fair I'm quite sure.

 

[eSZee]

In terms of styling, the front seems to have leaped ahead several years. As for the rest of the car though, it looks like just about all the other past Vipers. The front just doesn't seem to match up with the rest of the car.

Or is it just me?

No, not just you.
Rear 3/4 view just looks like a slightly changed 1st gen viper.
It's like the front was done by the italians while the americans put together the rest at the last minute.
I'm not a viper guy but my buddy who is, is ecstatic about the resemblance.

 

[SuperShouden]

I believe in the reveal they mentioned that this Viper has the the third highest power to weight ratio, bested only by the Veyron and the Ferrari F12 and the guy mentioned that Ferrari had to be better. Which, it does. You have to remember that FIAT owns Chrysler and SRT and Dodge. Sure, they could've pumped out a 700hp V10, but then it'd be better than the new Ferrari, and Ferrari and FIAT won't let that happen. Just like the ME 4-12 was never released because Mercedes didn't want to be outdone by Chrysler, Ferrari isn't going to be outdone by SRT. Not gonna happen. And keep in mind that Ferrari unveiled their new F12 BEFORE SRT unveiled the Viper.

 

[Skython]

Oh it saddens me about the ME Four Twelve, it still remains my favourite concept car ever to not go into production.

 

[Cano]

thing is, 700 hp it's gonna be like a cams change away (heck, maybe even only a ECU reflash) on the Viper, while pushing up the Ferrari's numbers will cost you an arm, your house and a night with your wife.

 

[Eric.]

My friend is a pretty big GM fanboy and, naturally, hates this. He of course made a point of Dodge being terrible and having to resort to a "huge inefficient motor" to make 640hp.

Funny thing is this Viper has more horsepower-per-liter than any naturally aspirated LSx.


Re: Cano

Yeah, the Ferrari's making 700hp will be more high strung. Vipers have always had the benefit of a huge (flat) power curve. And good luck breaking it since its not tuned to the limit.

 

[El]

I believe in the reveal they mentioned that this Viper has the the third highest power to weight ratio, bested only by the Veyron and the Ferrari F12 and the guy mentioned that Ferrari had to be better. Which, it does. You have to remember that FIAT owns Chrysler and SRT and Dodge. Sure, they could've pumped out a 700hp V10, but then it'd be better than the new Ferrari, and Ferrari and FIAT won't let that happen. Just like the ME 4-12 was never released because Mercedes didn't want to be outdone by Chrysler, Ferrari isn't going to be outdone by SRT. Not gonna happen. And keep in mind that Ferrari unveiled their new F12 BEFORE SRT unveiled the Viper.

It was a joke, not to be taken litterarly. There are alot more complicated factors that play in when these things are decided.

 

[Rusty*]

Wow! I quite like the looks of this new Viper...its lost that 'fat look' of the previous Vipers.
The tail lights look Aston Martin as, but i don't care...it still looks cool.
R*

 

[Cano]

My friend is a pretty big GM fanboy and, naturally, hates this. He of course made a point of Dodge being terrible and having to resort to a "huge inefficient motor" to make 640hp.

Funny thing is this Viper has more horsepower-per-liter than any naturally aspirated LSx.


Re: Cano

Yeah, the Ferrari's making 700hp will be more high strung. Vipers have always had the benefit of a huge (flat) power curve. And good luck breaking it since its not tuned to the limit.

The Viper's engine and the LSx engines are pretty primitive, both of them, but both of them work wonders and make huge power numbers and are cheap and all that. In other words, America.

also, I higly doubt the Ferrari engines will be tuned to their utmost, but come on, a set of Ferrari cams will cost you a Viper's engine. Ok I'm exagerating but you know what I mean. Tuning shops will have 1,500 hp Vipers in a month. I want to see a 1,500 hp Ferrari whatever... and the two bills.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

My friend is a pretty big GM fanboy and, naturally, hates this. He of course made a point of Dodge being terrible and having to resort to a "huge inefficient motor" to make 640hp.

Funny thing is this Viper has more horsepower-per-liter than any naturally aspirated LSx.


Re: Cano

Yeah, the Ferrari's making 700hp will be more high strung. Vipers have always had the benefit of a huge (flat) power curve. And good luck breaking it since its not tuned to the limit.

It should considering it is a V10 8.4L, the 7.0 LSx isn't even fully unloaded, this is the same engine that dodge has been boring out since it was an 8L. I'm a bigger GM guy than Dodge, but I still respect both engines. For what Chevy does with two less cylinders Dodge better have brough their A game. Especially considering that the ZR1 is a full two liters smaller and with a eaton supercharger is pumping out more power. Dodge obviously pulled out the 640 number to compete with the ZR1 foremost and then other supercars like the Aventador I'm guessing.

Also a restricted V8 of the same size can make just as much power as this V10. I'm impressed but no so much because it can do more. What I want to know is how much the ACO will tell them to drop the power in the 8.4L GTS-R that is what I'm curious about.

The Viper's engine and the LSx engines are pretty primitive, both of them, but both of them work wonders and make huge power numbers and are cheap and all that. In other words, America.

also, I higly doubt the Ferrari engines will be tuned to their utmost, but come on, a set of Ferrari cams will cost you a Viper's engine. Ok I'm exagerating but you know what I mean. Tuning shops will have 1,500 hp Vipers in a month. I want to see a 1,500 hp Ferrari whatever... and the two bills.

Probably would have the best luck doing that on an F40 with simple turbo swap outs, injectors, larger wastegates and so on. The structural ability is what I question with any Ferrari. It seems they're pushing them quite far already with out any forced induction, and I'd hate to go any further with them especially due to how much a rebuild cost. Have you seen how much their ECU hooks up are to run maintanence, let's just say a new Mustang GT 5.0 is slightly cheaper.

 

[Exorcet]

Hmm. I think its my love for the Viper that causes me to not compare it to the Berlinetta. I just think it would outclass the Viper and make it look bad. Wich it should. Since its a Ferari. And it costs a fortune. The Viper doesent deserve that. So the simplest solution for me is to place them in different classes.

I don't know. The Viper GTS had no problems with F355's and 550's, and the SRT-10's held up well vs 430's and the original 599 and the ACR could probably take on the 430 Scuderia, 458, and 599 GTO, though I don't think anyone has ever tried.

If anything, I think the performance gains that the Ferrari would have over the Viper would be due to Fiat mandate first; Ferrari's ability to charge more for the car, and thus potentially put more money into R&D would only be a secondary factor. There is a massive gap between Ferrari road cars and race cars, not all of the quarter million dollar price on road going Ferrari's is dedicated to speed.

In this case, while the F12 is going to be faster in a straight line, it might not end up bettering the Viper on a race track. I think that the MC12 actually ended up being faster than the Enzo around a few tracks. Ferrari just seemed to care about bragging rights when it came to power and speed. It might not be the case this time since the Viper costs so much less and isn't as closely related to Ferrari as Maserati is, but if Fiat cracks down on the Viper's power and speed without restricting anything else, it's a total win-win for me. I don't care how much more power Ferrari, Lamborghini, Chevy, or Ford make than the Viper because in the end, hp only matters so much. Should the Viper end up even lighter and more nimble because Ferrari doesn't want to be out muscled, I would only smile.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Forgot about the F12, another reason why the Viper probably uped the power from 600 to 640. These new supercars are becoming quite the beast. Let's not forget that McLaren is running a car in the same ball park at the moment.

 

[RACECAR]

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Also a restricted V8 of the same size can make just as much power as this V10. I'm impressed but no so much because it can do more. What I want to know is how much the ACO will tell them to drop the power in the 8.4L GTS-R that is what I'm curious about.

According to what I've read, they've actually allowed them to run it like that.