Gen 5 Dodge Viper

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Exorcet
I don't know. The Viper GTS had no problems with F355's and 550's, and the SRT-10's held up well vs 430's and the original 599 and the ACR could probably take on the 430 Scuderia, 458, and 599 GTO, though I don't think anyone has ever tried.

If anything, I think the performance gains that the Ferrari would have over the Viper would be due to Fiat mandate first; Ferrari's ability to charge more for the car, and thus potentially put more money into R&D would only be a secondary factor. There is a massive gap between Ferrari road cars and race cars, not all of the quarter million dollar price on road going Ferrari's is dedicated to speed.

In this case, while the F12 is going to be faster in a straight line, it might not end up bettering the Viper on a race track. I think that the MC12 actually ended up being faster than the Enzo around a few tracks. Ferrari just seemed to care about bragging rights when it came to power and speed. It might not be the case this time since the Viper costs so much less and isn't as closely related to Ferrari as Maserati is, but if Fiat cracks down on the Viper's power and speed without restricting anything else, it's a total win-win for me. I don't care how much more power Ferrari, Lamborghini, Chevy, or Ford make than the Viper because in the end, hp only matters so much. Should the Viper end up even lighter and more nimble because Ferrari doesn't want to be out muscled, I would only smile.
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Well as you say, its not allways about the power. The Ferrari costs what it costs because people know what they get with a Ferrari. They know it will feel fantastic. The Viper doesent have the same renown. The inefficiency of the engine compared to the F12 will also be a disadvantage. That being said, im sure this Viper will give it a real fight in the hands of a racing driver. The torque is massive and its very light. But im not sure how normal drivers would feel. I think that in the end, you get what you pay for. Exept where I live where they´d both be unaffordable (Cause of taxes, regulations) and useless (Cause of s**t roads and mountains). fml.
 
RACECAR
According to what I've read, they've actually allowed them to run it like that.
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They're going to allow them to run all 640hp? Then why not allow the GT Vette to run the 7.0L again? I already know they get to run the V10, I even show I know that in the comment you quote, what I don't know and didn't see on the ALMS website was the power band they can run in.
 
JohnBM01
Blue with white stripes has always been how I liked the Dodge Viper. The Viper looks too plain to me without stripes down the center. The car needs some stripes down the center to give it some meanness.
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Ive been playing with the idea of a single thick mother of a stripe. Maybe dark red with a black stripe...Or maybe the black with red. Hmmm
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
They're going to allow them to run all 640hp? Then why not allow the GT Vette to run the 7.0L again? I already know they get to run the V10, I even show I know that in the comment you quote, what I don't know and didn't see on the ALMS website was the power band they can run in.
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From what I read here:

"Maximum engine size is 5.5 Liters, but the governing bodies allowed the 8-liter Viper V-10, requiring a restrictor in the engine’s intake tract"

Wasn't exactly sure if you meant they were going to allow them to run all 8.8 liters or the Horsepower, but thats what I read.
 
RACECAR
From what I read here:

"Maximum engine size is 5.5 Liters, but the governing bodies allowed the 8-liter Viper V-10, requiring a restrictor in the engine’s intake tract"

Wasn't exactly sure if you meant they were going to allow them to run all 8.8 liters or the Horsepower, but thats what I read.
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8.8L???? Where did you get that from?
 
Looks like a typo. I was going to say something but I was confident you'd complain about it first.
 
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So, the SRT Viper. I don't think it is much of anything we didn't expect. A larger, more-powerful V10... Italian-American design... Luxed-up interior... In the end, the new Viper is a monster just like its predecessors, coming into the fray just as the others are rolling over to a new model.

I think what I find most-interesting is the tiered model levels. The SRT Viper SRT is the "base" version that is supposed to be "pure" as a sports car. Okay, that's what I was expecting anyway. But, the SRT Viper GTS is the luxury version? With Ferrari seats, infotainment, and a magnetic suspension? That seems somewhat antithetical to the previous GTS models, or maybe its just me.

Looks like a bad-ass car, either way. With the C7 on the way, and a rumored (Ford) GT successor in the works... Its a good time to be an American sports car fan.
 
YSSMAN
So, the SRT Viper. I don't think it is much of anything we didn't expect. A larger, more-powerful V10... Italian-American design... Luxed-up interior... In the end, the new Viper is a monster just like its predecessors, coming into the fray just as the others are rolling over to a new model.

I think what I find most-interesting is the tiered model levels. The SRT Viper SRT is the "base" version that is supposed to be "pure" as a sports car. Okay, that's what I was expecting anyway. But, the SRT Viper GTS is the luxury version? With Ferrari seats, infotainment, and a magnetic suspension? That seems somewhat antithetical to the previous GTS models, or maybe its just me.

Looks like a bad-ass car, either way. With the C7 on the way, and a rumored (Ford) GT successor in the works... Its a good time to be an American sports car fan.
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Well said! And I agree. It's like the 60's-70's all over again. I really want to see the Viper VS ZR1 Corvette and the '13 GT500 VS ZL1...It's lovely!
 
No offfense dude you sound like a hater

LMSCorvetteGT2
It should considering it is a V10 8.4L, the 7.0 LSx isn't even fully unloaded, this is the same engine that dodge has been boring out since it was an 8L. I'm a bigger GM guy than Dodge, but I still respect both engines. For what Chevy does with two less cylinders Dodge better have brough their A game. Especially considering that the ZR1 is a full two liters smaller and with a eaton supercharger is pumping out more power. Dodge obviously pulled out the 640 number to compete with the ZR1 foremost and then other supercars like the Aventador I'm guessing.

Also a restricted V8 of the same size can make just as much power as this V10. I'm impressed but no so much because it can do more. What I want to know is how much the ACO will tell them to drop the power in the 8.4L GTS-R that is what I'm curious about.



Probably would have the best luck doing that on an F40 with simple turbo swap outs, injectors, larger wastegates and so on. The structural ability is what I question with any Ferrari. It seems they're pushing them quite far already with out any forced induction, and I'd hate to go any further with them especially due to how much a rebuild cost. Have you seen how much their ECU hooks up are to run maintanence, let's just say a new Mustang GT 5.0 is slightly cheaper.
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El
It was a joke, not to be taken litterarly. There are alot more complicated factors that play in when these things are decided.
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It was a half joke. Ferrari really won't let one of the Chrysler companies out perform one of their current cars. The new Viper should be on level with the 458 and F12...but, we'll see who wins more races by the end of the year as, the GTS-R will be competing this year alongside the Ferrari 458 in ALMS. So, in the end, we'll see how much FIAT and Ferrari let SRT get away with.

It's great to see Dodge getting more solidly back into racing via SRT. I mean, the Dart has already entered the Global RallyCross Championship with Travis Pastrana behind the wheel. The new Charger is returning to NASCAR next year, they're in drifting with both the Viper and Challenger, they've returned to Grand Am with the Viper and Challenger and now, they're returning to ALMS with the new Viper. I suspect we'll see that 2013 Viper at the 2013 24 Hours of Daytona, as well. Too bad, it's very unlikely Team Viper will be able to pull of another overall win there. (BTW, is that the only time in Grand Am history that a GT car claimed the overall win? or is it just the last time?)
 
SuperShouden
It was a half joke. Ferrari really won't let one of the Chrysler companies out perform one of their current cars. The new Viper should be on level with the 458 and F12...but, we'll see who wins more races by the end of the year as, the GTS-R will be competing this year alongside the Ferrari 458 in ALMS. So, in the end, we'll see how much FIAT and Ferrari let SRT get away with.
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FIAT & Ferrari will not care. They have zero interest in other racing series outside Formula 1. If Dodge outperforms Ferrari in ALMS, that comes down to the teams running 458s; Risi, Extreme Speed, AF Corse, etc.

And because the Viper will be factory backed, chances are it's only competitors will be Corvette Racing & Rahal.
It's great to see Dodge getting more solidly back into racing via SRT. I mean, the Dart has already entered the Global RallyCross Championship with Travis Pastrana behind the wheel. The new Charger is returning to NASCAR next year, they're in drifting with both the Viper and Challenger, they've returned to Grand Am with the Viper and Challenger and now, they're returning to ALMS with the new Viper. I suspect we'll see that 2013 Viper at the 2013 24 Hours of Daytona, as well. Too bad, it's very unlikely Team Viper will be able to pull of another overall win there. (BTW, is that the only time in Grand Am history that a GT car claimed the overall win? or is it just the last time?)
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Ron Fellows won the following year in 2001, & Bergmeister won in 2003 w/ a GT3-RS.
 
boomee
No offfense dude you sound like a hater
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Hard to take offense to someone who seem not all that mature. Maybe explaining why. I don't see anything I did other than give an opinion. I also said how I like the viper on this thread several times, if you'd like I could go gather them up just to prove you wrong :sly::)

Instead of throwing stones to get a reaction how about you actually contribute. No offense that is.

Keef
Looks like a typo. I was going to say something but I was confident you'd complain about it first.
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Not sure how to take that Keef, thanks???
RACECAR
I may have made a typo and got that from the Presentation instead of the GTS-R page.
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I was simply saying how they plan to do this, the 8L engine runs a massive amount of power and after reading the regs on the ACO all I see is a displacement, fuel load and intake cap to keep things competitive. So I'm curious as to how balanced this will be with such a bigger power producing engine.
 
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It seems to be a pretty damn good car, and they've done a pretty good job on pulling out 640 bhp from that engine considering the pushrods (they haven't swapped those, have they..?)

And I really like the look of it, but holy hell, the front and rear lights need replacements, fast. But the overall body lines are fantastic.
 
Hated it the first time I saw the front, but it is quickly growing on me. Now I love it.

640hp is nice, but what happened to the rumored 8.7L?
 
Personally prefer the 2nd gen's (2003-2010) front end but this one is still pretty good-looking as a whole. 👍

It's something about those headlights, maybe they will look better if they are a bit more 'stretched' across like the older one's.

Don't mind the seemingly antique engine either since the gearing is redone and there are optimisations to the rest of the car.
I've also always felt the Viper should be somewhat more crude and simple than the comparable Corvette, with a less 'mainstream' following.

Like a modern muscle car but with 2 doors and seats, or maybe a sort of American Lamborghini.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
It should considering it is a V10 8.4L, the 7.0 LSx isn't even fully unloaded, this is the same engine that dodge has been boring out since it was an 8L. I'm a bigger GM guy than Dodge, but I still respect both engines. For what Chevy does with two less cylinders Dodge better have brough their A game. Especially considering that the ZR1 is a full two liters smaller and with a eaton supercharger is pumping out more power. Dodge obviously pulled out the 640 number to compete with the ZR1 foremost and then other supercars like the Aventador I'm guessing.
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If you are comparing power ouputs of an n/a engine to a supercharged (of the positive displacement variety at least) engine, you really should add in the capacity of the supercharger as well. For the ZR-1 it's 2.3 liters. 2.3 + 6.2 = 8.5 liters, or more cubic capacity than the Dodge V10.

Also, when did 638hp become more than 640hp?

Also, where the hell is Ford? The answer is NOT the GT500!
 
Adamgp
Hated it the first time I saw the front, but it is quickly growing on me. Now I love it.

640hp is nice, but what happened to the rumored 8.7L?
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Probably projections from rumoured power increases. I mean, they already squeezed 100 bhp extra out of the same engine, I guess it was too much to expect that to continue.
Interestingly, there's still room for more: at 600 lbf.ft of torque, there's at least another 20 of those to go before they're pushing it (gearbox permitting), and if they can work on elevating the rev-limit a smidge more again, then it'll really start to make a noise, possibly close to 700 bhp. That'll be the ACR, then.

Ah, the joys of variable valve timing and modern electronic control. Two valve heads are fine, and push rods are good for 7k+ with little worry, whilst there may be the possibility of extending the cam phasing to the inlet, too. Lots of potential.


Anyway, I'm not sold on the front end, nor was I on the tail lights at first. I expect I'll get used to it, but I won't ever not think they ruined that front end.
2nd gen GTS is still the best looking, for me.
 
Say, I think I see the reason behind the Headlight's design. One only needs to look at the Viper logo and it makes sense: They've styled the Headlights after the eyes of a snake. Looking at it with that thought, the Grille and Headlight combination makes much more sense to me now. It also further confuses me on where everyone is getting the "It looks like a Ferrari" comparisons from because I honestly still don't see any of it.
 
Skython
Oh it saddens me about the ME Four Twelve, it still remains my favourite concept car ever to not go into production. :(
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For you... :sly:



RACECAR
Say, I think I see the reason behind the Headlight's design. One only needs to look at the Viper logo and it makes sense: They've styled the Headlights after the eyes of a snake. Looking at it with that thought, the Grille and Headlight combination makes much more sense to me now. It also further confuses me on where everyone is getting the "It looks like a Ferrari" comparisons from because I honestly still don't see any of it.
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Yeah I also see the snake eyes thing now but I think the Viper should have larger lights, its almost like they are too small for the car but I guess though that a real Viper's eyes are small compared to its head! The new badge looks lethal.

The designers said the car was meant to look like a naked woman on the beach, don't know what beaches they have been visiting :scared:
 
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Robin.
The designers said the car was meant to look like a naked woman on the beach, don't know what beaches they have been visiting :scared:
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I'd love to see what beaches they found with Naked Women ;)
 

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