Gen 5 Dodge Viper

[Eric.]

Why are we talking about the BRZ in a Viper thread?

 

[SuperShouden]

Yeah, triangular taillights. Totally a Lamborghini trademark...

Actually, at first the lights reminded me of Audi...but...now that I think about it, they remind me a little bit of a Maserati GranTurismo. But...still...a lot of Audi-ness to it.

 

[Eric.]

They're sort of Audi-like, but closest to the Gran Turismo. That rear 3/4 view is unmistakably Viper, though.

 

[a6m5]

It looks like bunch of cars put together to me, too.

I still like it better than the last gen Vipers though. I HATED them.

I guess my favorite Viper is still the GTS ACR.

 

[Zenith]

Who give's a F%$&, it looks fantastic.

Was being sarcastic in response to the posters above me asserting that the SRT Viper stole much of its design elements from Italian cars.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

It's not a Viper until it's offered in blue with white stripes. Any word?

 

[Antonisbob]

Ohh buddy, such a nice car. It would be cool if it where to be released as GT5 DLC, but I can not see that happening.

 

[TheCracker]

The overall shape is great, very reminiscent of the original Viper GTS.

But the front end couldn't have been any more bland and generic if they tried, it's utterly forgettable. Bit of a shame really.

It's almost like they said "Lets rip-off the front end of Ferrari's ugliest current car - but try and make it a bit Dodge Stratusesq too"

 

[Nessy]

First off, i'm not a huge fan of American cars but i really like the 1st gen Viper, for me the 2nd gen looks awful in comparison, and this 3rd iteration is more of the same awfulness. I too see a lot of Maserati and Zagato tied together with the basic Viper silhouette, i don't know why but i think i was expecting something more... considering the spiel: (design to look like a naked woman on the beach).. obviously not literally but i was atleast expecting a fresher design than this mix-up of design cues we're already familiar with. Yeah, for me this new Viper is a bit boring to say the least, and from me earns the 👎.

PS, i'll also add, i don't really see any Ferrari in the design.

 

[Skython]

I surely believe this is the most stylish Viper ever. As an analogy, this new Viper is more like some hard-ass rock star in an Armani suit with a classy haircut. Still a hard ass despite looking so elegant. I wouldn't be surprised to see a roadster or convertible version of the Viper. Though really, I've never been fond of roadster or convertible Vipers to be honest, let alone most roadsters or convertibles to be honest.

I'm pretty sure in a promo or something they said coupé now, roadster later. So the convertible will show.

 

[Adamgp]

I still fail to see any 'Italian' design traits. Looks more like an evolution of the last gen Viper to me.

If the Italians had that much influence in the design you think they would have allowed it to have an 8.4L OHV engine?

 

[Dan_]

^That, if I had to nitpick I'd say it's still very reminiscent of the original GTS, but I still think it already was a great looking car and so is this new one.

We've reached the point in automotive design on which it's impossible to make something look a 100% original without going way too radical with the styling, the rear lamps are a more triangular form of the ones found the original viper with the addition of LEDs. I see that as evolutionary design, not just sheer copying.

 

[Exorcet]

We've reached the point in automotive design on which it's impossible to make something look a 100% original without going way too radical with the styling

I think the Audi R8 and Gumpert Apollo counter that. Unless those are radical.

Anyway, I agree, it looks more Viper than anything else. I think the only thing wrong with it is the head lights. It's sort of like Porsche 997 vs 996. They got everything right but the lights. This Viper would SRT-10 lights would look pretty good.

Overall though I think I prefer the SRT-10 ACR visually.

Also, for those who wish to see the car in its proper color:

http://forums.viperclub.org/threads/652473-GTS-Blue-GEN-V-on-ADV-s-PS...

Aerodynamics

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[paskowitz]

I will say it again. This car must be seen in person.

 

[Blackbird.]

I will say it again. This car must be seen in person.

While I agree with you. Already just seeing a 'chop of it in blue makes it better already. Especially for the back. Way too much red going on.

 

[El]

I still fail to see any 'Italian' design traits. Looks more like an evolution of the last gen Viper to me.

If the Italians had that much influence in the design you think they would have allowed it to have an 8.4L OHV engine?

I would say the FIAT ownership is irrelevant here; The Viper has allways looked more "Italian" then other american sportcars. Thats why I fell in love with it in the first place. It had that american savagery as well as being beautiful.

 

[JohnBM01]

Red has never been a bad color for the Viper. I'm just more familiar with blue with white stripes for the Viper (or any Viper with stripes). You could even go back to the white with blue stripes or silver with blue stripes.

I just hope I can see it in person at next year's Houston Auto Show (maybe). When looking through my pictures, I noted it was the 2006 Houston Auto Show that I got into a Viper. The Viper has always been so business-oriented inside. This newer Viper has some more sophistication inside. Very inviting.

Also looking back on the Viper I saw at the 2006 Houston Auto Show, the hood/bonnet design was much cleaner than with this newer Viper. It still has that scoop towards the front. If anything, the hood/bonnet could have been styled more like the SRT10 Viper or the ACR Viper. I'm sure though that we'll see more radical-looking Vipers than this 2013 Viper from NYAS 2012.

 

[RocZX]

I think the reason why it's red cause the first concept was red ,1st gen. main color was red and the engine was always red. Seeing that this gen. was designed after the 1st why not make it red.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

If you are comparing power ouputs of an n/a engine to a supercharged (of the positive displacement variety at least) engine, you really should add in the capacity of the supercharger as well. For the ZR-1 it's 2.3 liters. 2.3 + 6.2 = 8.5 liters, or more cubic capacity than the Dodge V10.

Also, when did 638hp become more than 640hp?

Also, where the hell is Ford? The answer is NOT the GT500!

The engine from the dealer has been shown to make more than 638 hence why I just said what I said. Also until I'm shown a sheet that shows the V10 making more than 640 I'll go back on what I said. You missed the point of my post as well, I'm not bashing the Viper just saying I believe it is being held back powerwise and probably could produce close to the Aventador.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

Perhaps, but as it is, the Viper's engine is likely understressed, meaning it's theoretically more durable and probably won't need as much maintenance.

 

[Robin]

I think the reason why it's red cause the first concept was red ,1st gen. main color was red and the engine was always red. Seeing that this gen. was designed after the 1st why not make it red.

Yeah, red is the historic colour of the Viper. Of course it was always going to be unveiled in red. In the blue chop it looks amazing though.

 

[Adamgp]

Didn't see this posted but it answers the Viper's American/Italian percentage:

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/06/...ph-gilles-about-the-2013-srt-viper/#continued

Mainly this part:

AB: The new design is pure Viper, but it seems to have some influence from those Italian super cars. What's the percentage of the Viper that's American, percentage that's Italian?

Gilles: Maybe five percent Italian. The seats, the seats are the same supplier as Ferrari. It's all American. Done inside, done outside, it's all all American.

 

[Terronium-12]

Didn't see this posted but it answers the Viper's American/Italian percentage:

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/04/06/...ph-gilles-about-the-2013-srt-viper/#continued

Mainly this part:

What you see isn't, or I should say, shouldn't be reliant upon what someone else says/claims, it should only be reliant upon what you see. When I look at the front of the Viper there's an ever apparent homage to the Ferrari California, from the headlights to the air intake, to the curvature from one headlight to the other—Ferrari California.

 

[Adamgp]

What you see isn't, or I should say, shouldn't be reliant upon what someone else says/claims, it should only be reliant upon what you see. When I look at the front of the Viper there's an ever apparent homage to the Ferrari California, from the headlights to the air intake, to the curvature from one headlight to the other—Ferrari California.

Your right. What would the President and CEO of SRT know about the new Viper.

EDIT: Added pics of both.

Don't see much similarity here.

 

[Dan_]

That's actually the 599 GTO, but still, the Cali has more upright and stretched headlamps than the new Viper:

What's more, the Viper appears to have a more wide and lower stance, the grille set's both apart too...

I believe you can say there's some ferrari flair in the interior design and quality, but outside and mechanically there's no perceptible inspiration from it's italian stablemates, though.

 

[G.T.Ace]

The Cali looks even less similar than the 599.

 

[Adamgp]

That's actually the 599 GTO, but still, the Cali has more upright and stretched headlamps than the new Viper:

Eh, guess you're right, but that's what showed up when I googled 'Ferrari California front'.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

You know what it looks even more like?




The previous Dodge Vipers....

There is way more Viper than Ferrari there, I don't know what you guys are seeing... If I saw this concept and did not know it was a Viper, from any view, I would automatically say "Viper!" The front has that same undulating form, with the same triangular hood scoop, with the same grill design. The only thing different here is the headlights, but those look more Koenigesegg than Ferrari.

 

[Kent]

Agreed, this is different in shape (the opposite) but its obvious that similarities are present.

 

[RACECAR]

I know many here usually don't give a crap for Barrett Jackson, but I thought I'd tell you guys an interesting reason to watch (even if only for a few minutes): Viper number #001, the very first one, will be auctioned off at the Barret Jackson Auction in Palm Beach (Which is on right now on Speed). Just thought I'd share that. I really hope I get to see it here in Texas for the Texas State Fair Auto Show as thats the only chance I have at getting up close and personal with it.

There is way more Viper than Ferrari there, I don't know what you guys are seeing...

Same here.