[Gran Turismo 5 @ E3 2010] (SEE POST 1!: New Vids, Pics, Interviews!)

[merc_rmw]

I was playing gt5p today, and tried to figure out a premium car from a standard... I personally think that a premium car having a detailed interior "to the stitching" is like for example the ferrari interiors on prologue are very highly detailed and you can tell by the accuracy that it took a long time, where as if you go drive a cappucino you will find that although it has a cockpit view with full interior, the quality of the interior differs vastly... the textures arent as nice as the higher (probably more premium cars)

so this is what i think... 200 cars will be premium and have incredible detail on the interiors, and the rest will have slightly lower quality detail, but still have a visible interior.

This is what I've thought as well, and what the Spanish interview seems to confirm.

 

[JAGUAR1977]

For all of us with a cockpit ready... if not all the cars have cockpit view, then we have been shelling out money to waste

I am going to use the Pad as i still do.... no longer looking forward to drive with my cockpit setup.

Once again I'll repeat what I said in another thread.

If your a sim racer you should be choosing the bonnet view or hoping the premium cars have a movable seat as the current cockpit view is too far back to be considered realistic.

 

[DRambo]

how can a cappucino and that dihatsu in gt5p be premium?

Just because it was in GT5p does not mean it has to be in GT5. They may drop the cockpit view for "Standard" cars to keep all such cars consistant.

 

[zod]

For all of us with a cockpit ready... if not all the cars have cockpit view, then we have been shelling out money to waste

I am going to use the Pad as i still do.... no longer looking forward to drive with my cockpit setup.

? oO
You can still drive (100% sure) about 200 cars in cockpit view - we are only talking about the 800 standard ones ...and it's not even confirmed, that there will be no interior for those standard cars at all. And still bumper/hood-cam isn't really that much different from cockpitview so relax. Personally I'm faster driving with the bumper cam and I'm using cockpitview just for having fun, not for driving fast.

All of you loved GT4 without the cockpitview and back then I'm sure nobody missed it ...it's not like there is a essential part of the game missing.

Just because it was in GT5p does not mean it has to be in GT5. They may drop the cockpit view for "Standard" cars to keep all such cars consistant.

That would be indeed possible, but pretty dumb

 

[Sasuki]

This is what I've thought as well, and what the Spanish interview seems to confirm.

What Spanish interview? can you post a link from that interview?

 

[eSZee]

I was playing gt5p today, and tried to figure out a premium car from a standard... I personally think that a premium car having a detailed interior "to the stitching" is like for example the ferrari interiors on prologue are very highly detailed and you can tell by the accuracy that it took a long time, where as if you go drive a cappucino you will find that although it has a cockpit view with full interior, the quality of the interior differs vastly... the textures arent as nice as the higher (probably more premium cars)

so this is what i think... 200 cars will be premium and have incredible detail on the interiors, and the rest will have slightly lower quality detail, but still have a visible interior.

I did the same thing but quickly realized that the cappucino SEEMS to have less detail simply because in real life, the interior is just plastics. There's no stitching or anything. If you look at the dash however, the gauges and console look just as detailed.

 

[SavageEvil]

Once again I'll repeat what I said in another thread.

If your a sim racer you should be choosing the bonnet view or hoping the premium cars have a movable seat as the current cockpit view is too far back to be considered realistic.

In which world do you pilot a car from the hood? The cockpit view in GT5 isn't far off from where you normally sit in a car, field of vision is limited to screen size, but you do get a pretty good view to either side. You should be able to see your driver side mirror at a glance and the rear view too. From the hood, um, you can see neither...how is that realistic in any manner of humanly possible feats?

 

[whatbrown]

how can a cappucino and that dihatsu in gt5p be premium? standard must simply mean the interior is not as detailed for example in gt5p if you compare a r8 interior with a cappucino you can tell the level of detail is different, there is far greater texture in the r8 (surley premium)

i think standard = interior view (but less detailed and less textured)

I believe that ''standard'' and ''premium'' only refer to the modeling detail put into the car. This also effects the level of damage that it can receive. It has nothing to do with how nice the car is. That would obviously be subjective anyways.

 

[RACECAR]

I think I'll just stick to what the Motortrend article says since it was the most straight to point. Everything else(including all these game sites with all their fake gaming journalists) cannot be trusted. Hell I get the feeling even when gamescon and TGS comes up, they'll still provide to be useless.

 

[DRambo]

That would be indeed possible, but pretty dumb

It would certainly be easier to have the "Standard" cars from GT5p without a cockpit view in GT5 than to have to model 700+ more.

 

[paskowitz]

In case people want to know there are about 140 (+/- ~5) cars that we have the the interior of. That leave about 60 left.

 

[SuperShouden]

GUYS! We know the Ferraris are gonna be standard ('cause Ferrari doesn't want their pretty cars messed up) and we KNOW they have interiors. think about that for a second.

 

[CTznOfTime]

Once again I'll repeat what I said in another thread.

If you are a sim racer you should be choosing the bonnet view or hoping the premium cars have a movable seat as the current cockpit view is too far back to be considered realistic.

I understand what you mean... the current cockpit view allow too much of the unecessary interior cockpit details... the screen should mainly be filled with the windshield and a part of the dashboard.


As of now, when played with the cockpit view, we realistically / effectively are looking at only one small portion of the screen (out of the windshield) and the road ahead.... everything else on the screen is just plain useless. (except for the two rear view mirrors.)

Your point being: we ought to use more of the tv screen, we ought to have a great portion of the screen dedicated to the road ahead, and the view toward the outside.

BUT! having understood your point of view, i will now try to speak for Kaz:

PD's choice to angle the interior cockpit view as such, they want to showcase as much of the interior as possible, to allow for our eyes to travel everywhere on the screen, to admire their design and representation of each car's cockpit.


Therefore, i agree with you that with the cockpit view, we are only using a small portion of the screen for racing.
But i will disagree with you on this point. The current cockpit view does NOT feel awkwark or unatural... in fact, i think they got the best compromise trying to do what they intended to.

compared with other games, i think this is the most natural one.


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Regarding this year's e3 coverage by the "game" journalists,
what i learned is:


in order to really appreciate GT5, you gotta be FIRST :
FIRST, YOU NEED TO BE A CAR ENTHUSIAT, A REAL DRIVER.
Second, you cannot be a gamer first, because if you are first a gamer, then a driver, then you automatically will be bias toward irrelevent stuff concerning GT5.

None of those journalist covering the event was a real driver.
They are first gamers or journalists, who were told somehow that GT5 is a big deal, but they have no idea why.... only to think that it's another Mario Kart or something that resemble NFS

Totally the wrong approach...


Next time around, send the guys from:

(Automobile Magazines) ~ too family oriented
Car & Driver
MotorTrend
Road & Track!
and other worldwide legitimate car magazine test drivers.

No IGN, No G4, None of that game industry nerds

 

[zeemie]

Idk what to think. He seemed like he was in a good/joking mood im not going to get my hopes up or down. This interview basically proves nothing. He didn't straight up say "Standard car will have black cockpits while Premium has fully detailed cockpits" I am just going to wait until we see a standard car in game or until he gives a clear answer.

This is how I see it:

1) Every single car in the game will have a cockpit driving view

2) 200 of the cars (Premium) will have fully-modeled engine compartments, undercarriages and interiors. Any of the preceding will be deformable.

3) 800 of the cars (Standard) will not have fully-modeled engine compartments, undercarriages or Interiors. These will not deform. Scratch and dent though on the body.

If some part of the car is deformable, it must be modeled in order to show it becoming deformed.

I also think that Kaz did not fully understand what was being asked and thus his answer (leading to the prevailing presumption here that only 200 cars will have cockpit view) is currently being deformed at lenght here!

Whodahellknows though, I've been known to be wrong in the past.

Z

 

[CTznOfTime]

Back at square ONE!

 

[zod]

GUYS! We know the Ferraris are gonna be standard ('cause Ferrari doesn't want their pretty cars messed up) and we KNOW they have interiors. think about that for a second.

That's what I wanted to say in one of my posts before, thanks for explaining it in good english so that everyone understands it
All cars from Prologue must have visual damage if premium = cockpit ...and we all know that there are manufacturers (like Ferrari in this case) that don't want so see their cars smashed into pieces.

So there are 3 options:
1.) All cars will feature cockpitview
2.) PD must take out the GT5P cars with cockpit-view which won't have visual damage
3.) PD must redefine the word "premium" ...

 

[analog]

Everyone, hold your horses regarding making final conclusions of only 200 cars having interiors please.
I'm one of those who truly cares for interior view but what he said about black framed PSP style interiors sounded sarcastically to me at least ( and some others as well it seems ).

The guy asked whether the Standard cars would only have these PSP style interiors to which Kaz replied; would you like to have blacked out interiors?
It's possible something might be mistranslated but to me it sounded as he was to say, come on really? is that what you expect?

I could be wrong ofcourse, but it gave me new hope we're gonna see more than possibly expected since this whole interior debate.
Perhaps you shouldn't take everything he writes ( especially with possible translation errors ) literally and consider he's got a sense of humour as well and only wants to show the full scale of GT5 at Gamescom and TGS.

 

[Antti-san]

Everyone, hold your horses regarding making final conclusions of only 200 cars having interiors please.
I'm one of those who truly cares for interior view but what he said about black framed PSP style interiors sounded sarcastically to me at least ( and some others as well it seems ).

The guy asked whether the Standard cars would only have these PSP style interiors to which Kaz replied; would you like to have blacked out interiors?
It's possible something might be mistranslated but to me it sounded as he was to say, come on really? is that what you expect?

I could be wrong ofcourse, but it gave me new hope we're gonna see more than possibly expected since this whole interior debate.
Perhaps you shouldn't take everything he writes ( especially with possible translation errors ) literally and consider he's got a sense of humour as well and only wants to show the full scale of GT5 at Gamescom and TGS.

Well, I do hope you are right, but I'm preparing myself for the worst.

 

[Sasuki]

I asked IronStar guys, to find a GT5 staff at e3 and ask him if all standard cars will have Cockpit view.... Awaiting answer

 

[JDMKING13]

This is how I see it:

1) Every single car in the game will have a cockpit driving view

2) 200 of the cars (Premium) will have fully-modeled engine compartments, undercarriages and interiors. Any of the preceding will be deformable.

3) 800 of the cars (Standard) will not have fully-modeled engine compartments, undercarriages or Interiors. These will not deform. Scratch and dent though on the body.

If some part of the car is deformable, it must be modeled in order to show it becoming deformed.

I also think that Kaz did not fully understand what was being asked and thus his answer (leading to the prevailing presumption here that only 200 cars will have cockpit view) is currently being deformed at lenght here!

Whodahellknows though, I've been known to be wrong in the past.

Z

I like this 👍

 

[Zimmerd]

Everyone, hold your horses regarding making final conclusions of only 200 cars having interiors please.
I'm one of those who truly cares for interior view but what he said about black framed PSP style interiors sounded sarcastically to me at least ( and some others as well it seems ).

The guy asked whether the Standard cars would only have these PSP style interiors to which Kaz replied; would you like to have blacked out interiors?
It's possible something might be mistranslated but to me it sounded as he was to say, come on really? is that what you expect?

That was the first thing I thought too..
Like :,,You really think I would do that"

 

[chepe371]

GUYS! We know the Ferraris are gonna be standard ('cause Ferrari doesn't want their pretty cars messed up) and we KNOW they have interiors. think about that for a second.

Except im prettttttty sure the Enzo and 458 were labeled premium + we have already seen cosmetic and mechanical damage of the 458 in previous gameshows. So...

 

[evilfoxhound]

I still refuse to believe that all the cars in GT5 are "Premium".

Suzuki Cervo? Are you kiding me, Kaz? you chose THAT as a Premium car?

 

[Sasuki]

Except im prettttttty sure the Enzo and 458 were labeled premium + we have already seen cosmetic and mechanical damage of the 458 in previous gameshows. So...

I want Supra and GTR 35, 34!!!!

 

[Rattlehead]

I still refuse to believe that all the cars in GT5 are "Premium".

Suzuki Cervo? Are you kiding me, Kaz? you chose THAT as a Premium car?

Exactly!
More than that, a rolling-over, badly-damaged Suzuki Cervo?...

 

[eSZee]

Once again I'll repeat what I said in another thread.

If your a sim racer you should be choosing the bonnet view or hoping the premium cars have a movable seat as the current cockpit view is too far back to be considered realistic.

Come again? That's not how it works around here, pal.

This is how I see it:

1) Every single car in the game will have a cockpit driving view

2) 200 of the cars (Premium) will have fully-modeled engine compartments, undercarriages and interiors. Any of the preceding will be deformable.

3) 800 of the cars (Standard) will not have fully-modeled engine compartments, undercarriages or Interiors. These will not deform. Scratch and dent though on the body.

If some part of the car is deformable, it must be modeled in order to show it becoming deformed.

I also think that Kaz did not fully understand what was being asked and thus his answer (leading to the prevailing presumption here that only 200 cars will have cockpit view) is currently being deformed at lenght here!

Whodahellknows though, I've been known to be wrong in the past.

Z

Is that clearly distinguished in any of the E3 interviews?

 

[happycorey]

I think people are second guessing the man himself. He told you 800 cars won't have a cockpit, and 200 will. The 800 that won't are going to have black bars. Why is everyone trying to reevaluate the situation like there is some loophole to be discovered that 800 cars do infact have a cockpit interior?

 

[SuperShouden]

Except im prettttttty sure the Enzo and 458 were labeled premium + we have already seen cosmetic and mechanical damage of the 458 in previous gameshows. So...

you mean some dents and dings?

 

[eSZee]

I think people are second guessing the man himself. He told you 800 cars won't have a cockpit, and 200 will. The 800 that won't are going to have black bars. Why is everyone trying to reevaluate the situation like there is some loophole to be discovered that 800 cars do infact have a cockpit interior?

I want to agree but if we're going off the TWITTER interview, he made almost nothing sound certain.

 

[Context]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-gran-turismo/700481

dont know if you guys have seen this yet but ill post it