Gran Turismo 6 coming to PS3

[Earth]

So the only thing in favour of a PS3 release is also the only actual evidence we have?

Very shaky actual evidence. His info could be old, etc

Why would they hide GT6 over the past 27 months if it were going to be a PS3 game? And then announce it at E3, the PS4's biggest stage?

If it was a PS3 title, it should have been announced at TGS a few months ago. No way they didnt have a 60 second trailer or a few screenshots ready if the game was going to release this year.

Kaz was seen in a Playstation 4 Meeting video hyping the new system. And he isnt going to release a game on the platform anytime soon while every other 1st party developer will?

We live in a world where information is expected to be plentiful and easily accessed. Developers have twitter etc etc. The silence about GT6 is so deafening it can only mean a PS4 release. Can you imagine Sony unveiling the physical PS4 hardware at E3, only for Kaz to come on stage, and surprise! The game hes been hiding for 2 1/2 years is for the PS3 and looks like nothing compared to Drive Club and Forza 5. That would be a huge letdown to the media and so many involved. The possibilities of GT6 remote play with the Vita and PS4 would be lost.

They need GT6 to showcase PS4 visuals and to help sell new consoles. If that werent the case certainly we would have seen more of GT6 on PS3 by now. Theres numerous indications of that, amar212's winds, 'latest technology expression' etc etc

 

[Brend]

Very shaky actual evidence. His info could be old, etc

Why would they hide GT6 over the past 27 months if it were going to be a PS3 game? And then announce it at E3, the PS4's biggest stage?

If it was a PS3 title, it should have been announced at TGS a few months ago. No way they didnt have a 60 second trailer or a few screenshots ready if the game was going to release this year.

Kaz was seen in a Playstation 4 Meeting video hyping the new system. And he isnt going to release a game on the platform anytime soon while every other 1st party developer will?

We live in a world where information is expected to be plentiful and easily accessed. Developers have twitter etc etc. The silence about GT6 is so deafening it can only mean a PS4 release. Can you imagine Sony unveiling the physical PS4 hardware at E3, only for Kaz to come on stage, and surprise! The game hes been hiding for 2 1/2 years is for the PS3 and looks like nothing compared to Drive Club and Forza 5. That would be a huge letdown to the media and so many involved. The possibilities of GT6 remote play with the Vita and PS4 would be lost.

They need GT6 to showcase PS4 visuals and to help sell new consoles. If that werent the case certainly we would have seen more of GT6 on PS3 by now. Theres numerous indications of that, amar212's winds, 'latest technology expression' etc etc

There is ONE 1st-Party title that will give a final boost to PS3 sales.

Cookie to the first person who gets it.

 

[Stotty]

I'm a total broken record on this subject, but it's simply the most logical argument for why GT6 MUST be on PS3. GT5, put plainly is one of the very first PS3 games in development, if not THE 1st which I suspect.

PD and SOny as a whole would just lose too much face to leave THAT much on the table with their flagship franchise. GoW2 and Shadow of the Colossus both came out on PS2 around the time PS3 launched in America, so we know if Sony has something to prove with the hardware at the end of a generation, they'll pull the trigger. And on top of all that, Sony would be complete idiots business-wise to make GT6 as a PS4 launch widow or even Year 1 game, selling it to an install base of maybe 10-15 million if they are VERY lucky, instead of a late gen PS3 game selling it to an install base of 70+million and still growing. A 70 million and growing fanbase that I might add feels like they got the short end of the stick with GT5.....even if they love it like myself and millions others, we still know there's ALOT more potential there that went untapped.

All that said, while I do think (know) GT6 will be a PS3 game, probably releasing this Fall, I also believe it will be a PS4 game. They just won't release at the same time. In fact I suspect the PS4 launch of GT6 will be well over a year later. There are plenty of racing games that will be coming for PS4, so it doesn't need GT at launch. PS3 and Sony on the other hand could use a HUGE multi-million seller to top off PS3 just before people start moving on to PS4 and while people are still buying PS3s. So a smart plan would be to complete it and get it out the door for PS3 before even starting on the PS4 upgrade.

Your view is far too short-term.

Assuming the PS4 is c.1 year away, another GT game on the PS3 will deliver virtually no hardware sales to Sony – who’s going to buy a new PS3 when they know there’s a PS4 just around the corner?

GT6 on PS3 is strategically irrelevant to Sony. Their priority will be driving take up on hardware as this will deliver far better medium/long term top and bottom line than another PS3 title, no matter how big that title is.

GT on the PS4 is one of a handful of critical titles for Sony. It will drive massive take up of hardware and the people who buy the hardware will buy peripherals and more titles, which is where Sony will make their profit.

If GT6 turns out to be a PS3 game it will mean the next gen version is years away… and Sony will lose the benefit of the game in driving their share of the hardware market.

 

[pasigiri]

I hate to say it but this might just be true. I read a post on IGN stating that if GT6 came out on PS4, it would cannibalize sales of Drive Club, a confirmed racing game. If Drive Club is suppose to be a racing sim on the level of GT and Forza (I think it will be in line with the Grids and NFS: Shift catagory), that's anybodies guess. The lighting and environments in it look great though.

Problem though. If GT6 is built using the Cell architecture and PS4 is confirmed not backwards compatible, PD will have to take A LOT of extra time to make it compatible as a digital download for PS4. Wouldn't this be an issue?

 

[TokoTurismo]

I hate to say it but this might just be true. I read a post on IGN stating that if GT6 came out on PS4, it would cannibalize sales of Drive Club, a confirmed racing game.

There you go, now you got it.

 

[Stotty]

Think about it this way... What would PD have to put in GT6 to make it a sustainable PS3 title (over and above what's already in GT5), and how long would it take them to develop this?

All the time they are working on another PS3 version they aren't working on the next gen version, delaying the launch in to say, yr 3 of the PS4's lifecycle.

This would be a major hurt to PS4's market share and to Sony's numbers.

 

[bigbear]

Your view is far too short-term.

Assuming the PS4 is c.1 year away, another GT game on the PS3 will deliver virtually no hardware sales to Sony – who’s going to buy a new PS3 when they know there’s a PS4 just around the corner?

GT6 on PS3 is strategically irrelevant to Sony. Their priority will be driving take up on hardware as this will deliver far better medium/long term top and bottom line than another PS3 title, no matter how big that title is.

GT on the PS4 is one of a handful of critical titles for Sony. It will drive massive take up of hardware and the people who buy the hardware will buy peripherals and more titles, which is where Sony will make their profit.

If GT6 turns out to be a PS3 game it will mean the next gen version is years away… and Sony will lose the benefit of the game in driving their share of the hardware market.

I would tend to agree with you, but I can't say it's concrete. Sony generates profit by selling software and I think they can still sell GT6 effectively for PS3. The current console will probably continue to sell, like the PS2 did, for years to come. As far as the PS4 is concerned, I don't think it needs Gran Turismo just yet. The system will likely sell well initially simply because it's the hot new thing. It might even be best to announce a next gen GT next year after those initial sales start to cool.

Ultimately ,I would agree that we won't figure this one out on our own, and it sure would be nice of Sony to give us some idea of what's goin' on.

All the time they are working on another PS3 version they aren't working on the next gen version, delaying the launch in to say, yr 3 of the PS4's lifecycle.

This would be a major hurt to PS4's market share and to Sony's numbers.

That isn't necessarily true, I think Polyphony could be working on GT6/GT7, PS3/PS4 at the same time. Like I've said before slowly moving the staff from one to the other. Weren't GT5 and GTPSP developed side by each? And the PS4 should be easier to work with allowing for at least a little quicker turn around, compared to the long PS3 development.

Obviously a PS4 Gran Turismo would have incredible potential and I want PD to get after it, but I can't say beyond doubt that GT6 is a next gen title. There just isn't any solid proof either way.

 

[ch3ng]

Think about it this way... What would PD have to put in GT6 to make it a sustainable PS3 title (over and above what's already in GT5), and how long would it take them to develop this?

All the time they are working on another PS3 version they aren't working on the next gen version, delaying the launch in to say, yr 3 of the PS4's lifecycle.

This would be a major hurt to PS4's market share and to Sony's numbers.

I don't agree. Maybe they work on GT6 for PS3 and work on a PS4 engine. They could release GT6 on PS3 and make GT7 2 years after the PS4 is available.

They don't need 5 years because they already have over 220 premium cars. Didn't yamauchi said they are next gen ready?

If they can work faster, because the PS4 is better for developer and they improved the tools for modeling cars PD could make more cars in a shorter time.

Ahhh gosh my english is poor ...

Anyway they could release GT6 with those stupid standard cars and 370 premium cars and GT7 2 years later with 500 premium cars. Without standard cars.

I think they needed 5 years for GT5, because they had to make a lot premium cars and the PS3 was difficult for developer.

Just my 2 cents

 

[sparkytooth]

That isn't necessarily true, I think Polyphony could be working on GT6/GT7, PS3/PS4 at the same time. Like I've said before slowly moving the staff from one to the other. Weren't GT5 and GTPSP developed side by each? And the PS4 should be easier to work with allowing for at least a little quicker turn around, compared to the long PS3 development.

Obviously a PS4 Gran Turismo would have incredible potential and I want PD to get after it, but I can't say beyond doubt that GT6 is a next gen title. There just isn't any solid proof either way.

My friend I think PD wasted time on the PSP (Which hindered GT5 IMO),if they do develop for both PS3 and PS4 it would be pointless....one of those games would suffer (most likely the PS4 game).

PD isn't an army.They aren't robots either,despite the PS4 being easier to work on it would still cost a :censored:ton of money for Sony and effort from PD,they must stick with one game (GTPSP was a mess).

Also make my PS3 worthwhile but don't screw up GT6 on the PS3 please....

 

[sinbad]

It wouldn't be the first time that pd released a game within a year of the next playstation.
Granted that was Tourist Trophy, but the fact remains that if they have done the work, they will release the product.

As long as ps4 isn't out already, a ps3 game could still sell really well, and why is everyone ignoring the fact that it's highly likely that a ps4 gt: prologue title is going to be the first on that console, no matter what else happens before then?

Gt6 on ps3 won't mean a full gt on ps4 is years away- it will be years away regardless.

 

[sparkytooth]

It wouldn't be the first time that pd released a game within a year of the next playstation.
Granted that was Tourist Trophy, but the fact remains that if they have done the work, they will release the product.

As long as ps4 isn't out already, a ps3 game could still sell really well, and why is everyone ignoring the fact that it's highly likely that a ps4 gt: prologue title is going to be the first on that console, no matter what else happens before then?

Gt6 on ps3 won't mean a full gt on ps4 is years away- it will be years away regardless.

I'll definitely buy a glorified demo on my PS4 *Sarcasm*.I still need GT6 on whatever they're making it for (I hate generation transitions ),if they already made it for PS3 then so be it,if it's being made for the PS4 (Evidence points to this) then so be it as well.I personally prefer it on my PS3 because I don't want to buy an expensive oversized black box to play the racing game of my childhood.

 

[bigbear]

My friend I think PD wasted time on the PSP (Which hindered GT5 IMO),if they do develop for both PS3 and PS4 it would be pointless....one of those games would suffer (most likely the PS4 game).

Yeah I get that, but it's still a possibility. Game development is always hindered by various constraints. All we can do is hope for the best. And theoretically it doesn't have to have a huge negative impact. For instance, if the current premium car models are PS4 quality, than the car modelers will just carry on doing what they do.

 

[Scaff]

Your view is far too short-term.

Assuming the PS4 is c.1 year away, another GT game on the PS3 will deliver virtually no hardware sales to Sony – who’s going to buy a new PS3 when they know there’s a PS4 just around the corner?

Those that can't afford a PS4. Sales of the PS2 didn't drop off a cliff when the PS3 was announced, released or even in its first years on sale. For the first six months of the PS3's life the PS2 outsold it!

GT6 on PS3 is strategically irrelevant to Sony. Their priority will be driving take up on hardware as this will deliver far better medium/long term top and bottom line than another PS3 title, no matter how big that title is.

So making money is strategically irrelevant to Sony?

Under the PS4 is a dog Sony do not need GT to sell all they can produce in the first year, even with its very high retail price the PS3 didn't need it.

GT on the PS4 is one of a handful of critical titles for Sony. It will drive massive take up of hardware and the people who buy the hardware will buy peripherals and more titles, which is where Sony will make their profit.

Do you honestly think that Sony will not be able to sell all the PS4's they can produce for at least the first six to twelve months of release without a GT title?

If GT6 turns out to be a PS3 game it will mean the next gen version is years away… and Sony will lose the benefit of the game in driving their share of the hardware market.

Sorry but that's simply not a valid argument, yes GT titles sell consoles, but they are not the only thing that sells consoles. If PD can get a GT title out within the first 18 months of the PS4 being released it will be ideal. Not only will a suitable user base exist to actually make it worthwhile (which almost certainly will not prior to that), but they will be at a stage (based on past machines) that production will actually be able to meet demand for those buying a PS4 with a new GT title.

Releasing a GT title at launch will not increase console sales one bit, unless Sony or yourself are predicting that they can't sell out initial production runs without a GT title, which has not happened the last three times.

It would potentially kill a new IP, which would be commercially idiotic.

It would not make anything close to the amount a new GT title on the PS3 would make (the simple maths of the number of users sees to that).

In short I have to disagree with your statement that "GT6 on PS3 is strategically irrelevant to Sony", its actually the only option that makes sense both strategically and financially for Sony.

The get the additional revenue from GT6 on PS3 sales (which would be substantial) and keep the 'faithful' happy enough for a while; they don't kill a new IP and they still get to sell as many PS4's in the first twelve months as they were going to anyway.

 

[sparkytooth]

Yeah I get that, but it's still a possibility. Game development is always hindered by various constraints. All we can do is hope for the best. And theoretically it doesn't have to have a huge negative impact. For instance, if the current premium car models are PS4 quality, than the car modelers will just carry on doing what they do.

GT5 does have the best car models I've seen in my entire gaming life (250 something is a respectable number as well).I'm pretty sure they will need to polish them up a little more for the PS4 (if it's on the PS4 that is) and add in more premium cars,which is most likely already sorted out,now we must solve all the other problems except photomode.I say GTPSP was a hindrance cause Sony and us fans practically pushed them to make it for no reason (I might have bought every car but I don't need a PSP GT),this due to the division between development on both games (PD isn't an army) hindered GT5 a little more,thus they released a half PSP game (No GT mode WTF!!!) and GT5 had more potential lost.

 

[diegorborges]

PD.. if GT6 arrive to PS3 i'll be very disappointed.

After see DriveClub (an arcade game) PD launches GT6 for PS3 is punch in my stomach.

Do you prefer a well made GT6 on the PS3 or a really small experience GT6 on the PS4? Just think about it.

Think about the leap of content.

GT1 to GT2
GT3 to GT4


Mixed emotions. I wanted GT6 on PS3, then completely hated the idea and wanted it on PS4 but some days ago... it all makes sense on the PS3.

We are going to have a magnificent GT6 on PS3. One that may make us forget the bad bits of GT5.

I think we are so "hurt" by the GT5 bits that went bad that some of us simply can't believe that there's A LOT of room for improvement... still on PS3. As stated by Toronado and some other people, most of GT5 flaws were not caused by hardware limitations.

Just think about it: how many months you spent playing GT2 or GT4 big career modes? With all that championships and manufacturer races? In GT5 we have so little to do... the bad stuff just stand out.

 

[sparkytooth]

Do you prefer a well made GT6 on the PS3 or a really small experience GT6 on the PS4? Just think about it.

Think about the leap of content.

GT1 to GT2
GT3 to GT4


Mixed emotions. I wanted GT6 on PS3, then completely hated the idea and wanted it on PS4 but some days ago... it all makes sense on the PS3.

We are going to have a magnificent GT6 on PS3. One that may make us forget the bad bits of GT5.

Everyone loved GT3 my friend (200 cars and lots of fun!!!).That's no excuse to not release GT6 on PS4 (numbers don't necessarily matter),GT5 should have been 220 premium cars only and it would have done everything else perfectly.The standard cars are there for justifying GTPSP's release and for adding numbers.

 

[diegorborges]

Everyone loved GT3 my friend (200 cars and lots of fun!!!).That's no excuse to not release GT6 on PS4 (numbers don't necessarily matter),GT5 should have been 220 premium cars only and it would have done everything else perfectly.The standard cars are there for justifying GTPSP's release and for adding numbers.

I know! But do you prefer GT3 over GT4 massive car and track list?

I know some people do like GT3 a lot more, but for other reasons. I liked GT3 but it felt... small. Because I was used to GT2 big and varied car selection.

GT4 was a monster, content-wise.

 

[sparkytooth]

I know! But do you prefer GT3 over GT4 massive car and track list?

I know some people do like GT3 a lot more, but for other reasons. I liked GT3 but it felt... small. Because I was used to GT2 big and varied car selection.

GT4 was a monster, content-wise.

I know,I own both GT3 and GT4 on my broken PS2 but you just can't expect a massive amount of cars from a generation jump untill PD gets used to the PS4 hardware (they did get involved in it's development),tracks might be a different story (GT3 had a massive amount of tracks we never saw again ).

I would prefer quality over quantity,GT4 just had PD outdo themselves.

 

[brianwong]

PS4 should be easier to code for because it's not THAT proprietary.

 

[cletus 669]

I know! But do you prefer GT3 over GT4 massive car and track list?

I know some people do like GT3 a lot more, but for other reasons. I liked GT3 but it felt... small. Because I was used to GT2 big and varied car selection.

GT4 was a monster, content-wise.

So should GT6 on PS3. All the new tracks that have come out since release and the ones we have seen in trailers can not become just DLC because there are no events to go with them so they release GT6 with those tracks and events to go with them = alot of happy consumers!


As Phil on Duck Dynasty would say "happy happy happy!"

 

[machschnel]

Very shaky actual evidence. His info could be old, etc

If comments from the SCEE VP are "shaky", how would you describe the following "evidence" (ie. your theories) -

All the signs point to a PS4 launch
Complete radio silence over the past 30 months in regards to GT6
Kaz saying 'we're always aiming for the latest expression'
GT6 likely to be announced at E3, which is also the PS4's biggest stage

Big difference between someone on GTPlanet opining and a Sony VP talking to the media

 

[MeanElf]

...I also know one other thing.

Suggesting that those who do not see another's side has being full of hot air a great way not to convince people of their error in their thinking. If anything, it will only solidify their resolve.

That told me the error of my ways then

Frankly, I don't give a damn - and to paraphrase another quote: opinions are like bums; we all have one but there is no need to show it off all the time.

In truth I don't actually mind all of the opining - it makes for amusing reading to while away the time until we do know something. I was just wishing people good luck with it all - I know I'm not going to change the situation.

People take things so seriously...

 

[another_jakhole]

That told me the error of my ways then

Frankly, I don't give a damn - and to paraphrase another quote: opinions are like bums; we all have one but there is no need to show it off all the time.

In truth I don't actually mind all of the opining - it makes for amusing reading to while away the time until we do know something. I was just wishing people good luck with it all - I know I'm not going to change the situation.

People take things so seriously...

True, but NA is someone actually worth listening to.

 

[NoonenF1]

Your view is far too short-term.

Assuming the PS4 is c.1 year away, another GT game on the PS3 will deliver virtually no hardware sales to Sony – who’s going to buy a new PS3 when they know there’s a PS4 just around the corner?

GT6 on PS3 is strategically irrelevant to Sony. Their priority will be driving take up on hardware as this will deliver far better medium/long term top and bottom line than another PS3 title, no matter how big that title is.

GT on the PS4 is one of a handful of critical titles for Sony. It will drive massive take up of hardware and the people who buy the hardware will buy peripherals and more titles, which is where Sony will make their profit.

If GT6 turns out to be a PS3 game it will mean the next gen version is years away… and Sony will lose the benefit of the game in driving their share of the hardware market.

I don't agree with this because Sony has another first-party developer creating a new original racing game for the launch of the PS4. It doesn't make sense to me to release two racing titles to compete against each other at launch. With that said, releasing another GT title for the PS3 this holiday season to appease the crowd of late-adopters (trust me, not every video gamer runs out to buy a new console on release, it took me and many others years to buy a PS3) is a great way to continue interest in the PS3 (especially with other huge titles coming out for the console this year, i.e. Last of Us, GTAV). Also, PD said three years ago that GT6 was in development and that it would not take as long to develop as GT5. I highly doubt that Sony had developer kits for the PS4 available back then.

 

[MeanElf]

True, but NA is someone actually worth listening to.

Well, I'd best be off then...

Why exactly were you reading my post again?

 

[yellowclone]

Those that can't afford a PS4. Sales of the PS2 didn't drop off a cliff when the PS3 was announced, released or even in its first years on sale. For the first six months of the PS3's life the PS2 outsold it!



So making money is strategically irrelevant to Sony?

Under the PS4 is a dog Sony do not need GT to sell all they can produce in the first year, even with its very high retail price the PS3 didn't need it.


Do you honestly think that Sony will not be able to sell all the PS4's they can produce for at least the first six to twelve months of release without a GT title?




Sorry but that's simply not a valid argument, yes GT titles sell consoles, but they are not the only thing that sells consoles. If PD can get a GT title out within the first 18 months of the PS4 being released it will be ideal. Not only will a suitable user base exist to actually make it worthwhile (which almost certainly will not prior to that), but they will be at a stage (based on past machines) that production will actually be able to meet demand for those buying a PS4 with a new GT title.

Releasing a GT title at launch will not increase console sales one bit, unless Sony or yourself are predicting that they can't sell out initial production runs without a GT title, which has not happened the last three times.

It would potentially kill a new IP, which would be commercially idiotic.

It would not make anything close to the amount a new GT title on the PS3 would make (the simple maths of the number of users sees to that).

In short I have to disagree with your statement that "GT6 on PS3 is strategically irrelevant to Sony", its actually the only option that makes sense both strategically and financially for Sony.

The get the additional revenue from GT6 on PS3 sales (which would be substantial) and keep the 'faithful' happy enough for a while; they don't kill a new IP and they still get to sell as many PS4's in the first twelve months as they were going to anyway.

Very well said, and I agree 100%.

As Sid on Duck Dynasty would say "happy happy happy!"

There is no Sid in Duck Dynasty, it is Si, and Phil is the one that says happy, happy, happy.

 

[another_jakhole]

Well, I'd best be off then...

Why exactly were you reading my post again?

whoa. umm, okk...


and
an Internet Forum, this is?

 

[Rossell2]

Couple of random thoughts on my mind:

1. GT4 released on the PS2 when the console was on its way out the door. 18 months between GT4s release and PS3. It would be a bit tighter here without a doubt but its something to remember. I mean look at God of War 2.

2. Kaz said about PS4 being a blank slate. Now I may be thinking of the wrong context but a blank slate normally means starting over. And who is going to give up nearly 3 years of potential development time? First one to say "Last Guardian LAWL" will be shot on sight. This may sing the same for all PS4 launch titles, but there is no chance of GT6 even stretching the capabilities that Sony are touting. If anything the PS4 version (if they are split) will be a port (adamantly the fact that its not backwards compatible with PS3 might be a snag here).

3. The Expo season is nearly back on us. I fully anticipate an E3 reveal if these rumours magnify. Lets be fair, the last time Kaz put the hype in, it backfired totally. Gabe Newell and Valve aren't letting a single detail out on Half-Life 3 but its happening. Its the in thing these days.

I have a feeling that whatever happens, we the gamers will win. Somehow. Lets wait and see. AssCreed 4 gets revealed on Monday, the season begins.

 

[tube chaser]

Just one of my dumb ideas, but could be fun. Since we're all so confident of our postions, how about a thread where we put our 'roosters' on the block and simply call PS3 or PS4. Come the first (I mean second haha) announcement, the member drawn from the correct hat gets a premium subscription & copy of GTPEDIA. And the member drawn from the incorrect hat gets .. hmm .. 24hr administrator rights & has to clean up the Feedback threads?

 

[Rossell2]

I don't think the loser would enjoy that. Mind you the winner will enjoy his bit I'm sure. Count me in lol