Gran Turismo 7 Daytona Speedway Gameplay Revealed

[Quakebass]

Next member to use fanboy as a term to attack another member gets a week's holiday.

You seem to be a pretty big fanboy of holding users accountable to their own words and ensuring the site maintains a healthy environment for fostering productive discussion, Scaff.

 

[klondike]

Bro I’m sorry for being lazy but do you have any recommendations on good rally games I can try? I am truly interested in trying one out thanks!

Sebastian Loeb rally is very very good. Its an old game now, and it was never popular in mainstream. But If you want a great rally game, and can live with older graphics, its definetly worth it. And it also very often on sale for just a few $

For anyone liking rally this game is a must have.

 

[Magog]

Looks like i'm not the only one who was expecting something truly next-gen, go to 04:03:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I prefer visibility to filthy windscreens.

 

[Scaff]

You seem to be a pretty big fanboy of holding users accountable to their own words and ensuring the site maintains a healthy environment for fostering productive discussion, Scaff.

 

[Adam_GT_33]

For you, maybe none, but this is a matter of perspective and involves the notion of social skills, some people might get upset, especially in a case like this, as this would just be considered boring by most people, even more so when they do not expect unreal or impossible things, quite the contrary, PD is a fully capable multi-million company, so for me, there is no such obviousness, just conformism and like you said, you don't care about the rally aspects of the game, but they, like me, do, so it's fair to expect these people to charge for improvements, however small, since the franchise, from the beginning, proposed to put stages and rally cars in the game.


Like the case above, this involves conforming and expecting the company to do nothing, just because it's too hard to do, so let's just leave it as it is, in this case a crystal clear windshield, no thanks.

Then don’t buy the game if you’re so upset with what it offers. Complaining to everyone on a forum doesn’t show PD anything. Either way I will buy the game because I think it has most of what I want, and there is no reason for you to attack me because I of that. I am more than willing to spend some money to buy a proper rally game to get something good.

 

[Scaff]

Then don’t buy the game if you’re so upset with what it offers.

You do know it's not a strictly binary choice like that? People can discuss when they like and also dislike about a game and still buy it.

It's kind of the reason why forums work as well, this place would be really boring if everyone agreed and no-one was allowed to point out what they disliked as well as what they liked.

Complaining to everyone on a forum doesn’t show PD anything.

Actually we know that members of the PD and Sony teams do read the forums.

Either way I will buy the game because I think it has most of what I want, and there is no reason for you to attack me because I of that. I am more than willing to spend some money to buy a proper rally game to get something good.

Good for you, but no one has attacked you, disagreeing with you is not attacking you.

 

[Adam_GT_33]

You do know it's not a strictly binary choice like that? People can discuss when they like and also dislike about a game and still buy it.

It's kind of the reason why forums work as well, this place would be really boring if everyone agreed and no-one was allowed to point out what they disliked as well as what they liked.


Actually we know that members of the PD and Sony teams do read the forums.

Good for you, but no one has attacked you, disagreeing with you is not attacking you.

I’m just saying. Not buying a product is the biggest way to get your voice heard because it hurts their pocket. I’m sure if everyone who complained on this forum didn’t buy the game PD would fix things, but the same can be said for most products. And I didn’t know PD read this forum, but based off this forum I don’t think they actually listen to what people here say.

 

[TotosaLoko]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I prefer visibility to filthy windscreens.

If it's something well done, it's discreet and affects gameplay very little:

Then don’t buy the game if you’re so upset with what it offers. Complaining to everyone on a forum doesn’t show PD anything. Either way I will buy the game because I think it has most of what I want, and there is no reason for you to attack me because I of that. I am more than willing to spend some money to buy a proper rally game to get something good.

I'm not so upset, and i'm not just attacking you, but arguing with you, i believe that no one is expecting a completely realistic game at the same level as specialized franchises, we just charging for improvements, and no, i'll buy it, but i'll wait for the game goes on sale, a lot of recycled content and little evolution, but i recognize that the game has other diverse qualities that lead me to buy it it and i already said, i don't share your thinking, in fact i wonder what your purpose in a forum, since you started all this answering other people and indicating them to buy another game, since in my point of view, here is a forum dedicated mainly to the Gran Turismo franchise, which leads me to think that people discuss about it, charging for improvements including, who gets unnecessarily upset with something so basic is you, wanting to, at the same time as exposing your opinion, silence them.

Obs: This is my final position, feel free to answer whatever you want, i don't censor people, i understand that everyone is free and has an opinion about the game, meanwhile i will continue to complain and charge for improvements when i understand the case. 😉

 

[Adam_GT_33]

If it's something well done, it's discreet and affects gameplay very little:



I'm not so upset, and i'm not just attacking you, but arguing with you, i believe that no one is expecting a completely realistic game at the same level as specialized franchises, we just charging for improvements, and no, i'll buy it, but i'll wait for the game goes on sale, a lot of recycled content and little evolution, but i recognize that the game has other diverse qualities that lead me to buy it it and i already said, i don't share your thinking, in fact i wonder what your purpose in a forum, since you started all this answering other people and indicating them to buy another game, since in my point of view, here is a forum dedicated mainly to the Gran Turismo franchise, which leads me to think that people discuss about it, charging for improvements including, who gets unnecessarily upset with something so basic is you, wanting to, at the same time as exposing your opinion, silence them.

Obs: This is my final position, feel free to answer whatever you want, i don't censor people, i understand that everyone is free and has an opinion about the game, meanwhile i will continue to complain and charge for improvements when i understand the case. 😉

You really took my original comment to a level I didn’t mean. GT can try to be the jack of all trades but they will master none. The games focus is circuit racing. People here were saying they wanted tight stages and such, so I simply pointed out there’s a few good affordable rally games that have all that. I never said to not want it to improve. And again, PD still gets your money

 

[Silver Arrows]

Actually we know that members of the PD and Sony teams do read the forums.

Exactly. A blatant lie.

One thing the Team VVV video mentioned and it has bothered me especially in GT Sport (and it seems like it will continue with 7) is that yeah, sure, the game looks good...but there is absolutely no life to the graphics, everything looks sterile. The video mentions it in the context of rubber laid down on corners, and GT7's rendition of Daytona being pristine and practically new, but I was definitely thinking more so in the context of skyboxes having no flair or dramatics to it all, and everything having the coloring of a doctor's office. It may be realistic, but I'm pretty sure that real life has a lot more then yellows and occasional greys that seem to make up the bulk of GTS and seemingly 7's color palette.

 

[Scaff]

I’m just saying. Not buying a product is the biggest way to get your voice heard because it hurts their pocket. I’m sure if everyone who complained on this forum didn’t buy the game PD would fix things, but the same can be said for most products. And I didn’t know PD read this forum, but based off this forum I don’t think they actually listen to what people here say.

Without commentary not buying a product doesn't get anything changed, because the developer would have no idea what caused the drop in sales.

It also utterly and completely misses the point, this is a discussion forum, not an agreement forum. If all you can offer when someone disagrees with you is to tell them not to buy the game in question it doesn't further the discussion, what it does is attempt to shut down any opinion other than your own.

You really took my original comment to a level I didn’t mean. GT can try to be the jack of all trades but they will master none. The games focus is circuit racing. People here were saying they wanted tight stages and such, so I simply pointed out there’s a few good affordable rally games that have all that. I never said to not want it to improve. And again, PD still gets your money

It's perfectly possible to have an add-on to a mainly circuit based title and it work, SMS added Rally-cross to PC2 and it was an excellent interpretation of it, from the circuits used, to the range of cars, to the physics of loose surface driving.

The valid issue many have with rally in GT is that they added it back in GT2 and have done nothing of note with it since, well unless you count getting the licence for Pikes Peak so that other titles couldn't feature it and then doing bugger all with it!

It's this lack of change that frustrates, and PD should either make some changes to it or drop it.

 

[Adam_GT_33]

Without commentary not buying a product doesn't get anything changed, because the developer would have no idea what caused the drop in sales.

It also utterly and completely misses the point, this is a discussion forum, not an agreement forum. If all you can offer when someone disagrees with you is to tell them not to buy he game in question it doesn't further the discussion, what it does is attempt to shut down any opinion other than your own.

I’m not trying to shut down any opinion other than my own. You’re saying your opinion, the other guy has his own opinion, and I have my own opinion. You say this is a discussion forum. That means we all share opinions. My opinion is that not buying the game is the best choice. You say PD and Sony read this forum. I will take your word since you’re a mod. However, PD must see us all as idiots or something. The biggest complaint here is the penalty system in GTS. Every day it’s mentioned. Has PD fixed it? No. Have they commented on why they turned it off? No. Have they given us updates of it? No. There are many other things I see a decent number of people request that haven’t been fixed or changed.

 

[Scaff]

I’m not trying to shut down any opinion other than my own. You’re saying your opinion, the other guy has his own opinion, and I have my own opinion.

And it's an opinion that comes across as an attempt to shut down a conversation.

Maybe you’re trying to shut my opinion that not buying the game is the best thing to do, and that is true.

No, I'm explaining to you how posts of that nature come across to people and how they don't add to an ongoing discussion.

If people are discussing (as they are) how disappointing rally in it the series and what they think would help improve it, then simply saying 'don't buy it then' adds zero to the discussion and is seen as an attempt to stop that discussion. Opinion or not, it doesn't promote or further discussion, and can often result in hostility. That can then result in a chain of discussion that the staff will most certainly shut down, but we would much rather things didn't get to that stage in the first place, hence the reason for the polite advice on how your post could be viewed and why what can be seen as attempts to shut down views are not healthy for the community here.

You say this is a discussion forum. That means we all share opinions. My opinion is that not buying the game is the best choice. You say PD and Sony read this forum. I will take your word since you’re a mod. However, PD must see us all as idiots or something. The biggest complaint here is the penalty system in GTS. Every day it’s mentioned. Has PD fixed it? No. Have they commented on why they turned it off? No. Have they given us updates of it? No. There are many other things I see a decent number of people request that haven’t been fixed or changed.

I've been here since 2003, changes that people have suggested and discussed have made it into GT titles. Did the comments here directly or indirectly affect PD/Sony's choices? That we will never know, but once again, that's not the actual point.

 

[Adam_GT_33]

And it's an opinion that comes across as an attempt to shut down a conversation.

No, I'm explaining to you how posts of that nature come across to people and how they don't add to an ongoing discussion.

If people are discussing (as they are) how disappointing rally in it the series and what they think would help improve it, then simply saying 'don't buy it then' adds zero to the discussion and is seen as an attempt to stop that discussion. Opinion or not, it doesn't promote or further discussion, and can often result in hostility. That can then result in a chain of discussion that the staff will most certainly shut down, but we would much rather things didn't get to that stage in the first place, hence the reason for the polite advice on how your post could be viewed and why what can be seen as attempts to shut down views are not healthy for the community here.


I've been here since 2003, changes that people have suggested and discussed have made it into GT titles. Did the comments here directly or indirectly affect PD/Sony's choices? That we will never know, but once again, that's not the actual point.

Okay. I’m not trying to shut down anyone’s views in case that was how my original comment was understood. Have a good day.

 

[anthonyfa18]

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Next video will be GT7 + PSVR2

I don’t think so, I feel the next video will be High Speed Ring

 

[TotosaLoko]

I’m not trying to shut down any opinion other than my own. You’re saying your opinion, the other guy has his own opinion, and I have my own opinion. You say this is a discussion forum. That means we all share opinions. My opinion is that not buying the game is the best choice. You say PD and Sony read this forum. I will take your word since you’re a mod. However, PD must see us all as idiots or something. The biggest complaint here is the penalty system in GTS. Every day it’s mentioned. Has PD fixed it? No. Have they commented on why they turned it off? No. Have they given us updates of it? No. There are many other things I see a decent number of people request that haven’t been fixed or changed.

At the end of the day, the company wants to make a profit, and sell the game to as many people as possible, this also involves time, money, personnel and mainly the will to do it, this for them may be far from putting in too many simulation elements, but some things are clearly sloppy, so i think it's important for everyone to express their opinion of what they consider relevant, otherwise nothing will change, referring people to buy another game can help, but it can have the opposite effect and also hinder this process, it's a complex discussion.

 

[Magog]

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I don’t think so, I feel the next video will be High Speed Ring

My guess is the "surprise" return of Grand Valley.

 

[Purple101]

As people were just talking about 'rally'

I remember this gem of translated japanese
(I wonder what music rally will be. Made me think musical chairs. When the music stops. The rallying stops!>* Obv's won't be that, but made me smile thinking of it)

Mission Challenge

• 0-400m Battle, Drifting, Max Speed Challenge, “Music Rally” which you can race to music etc… You can experience unique events that is different from ordinary racing.

• World Circuits
  • World circuits such as Le Mans and Nürburgring, beloved fictional circuits such as Trail Mountain… Over 90 layouts are in this game.
  • 
    
  • Direct quote from full article. Which can be found many places. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vi...rismo-7-pamphlet-confirms-over-90-tracks/amp/
• Heres one of them.

 

[Magog]

If it's something well done, it's discreet and affects gameplay very little:

As the car wash is returning it is guaranteed there will be an accumulation of dirt. Will that include the windscreen? Only time will tell.

 

[Imari]

I’m sure if everyone who complained on this forum didn’t buy the game PD would fix things, but the same can be said for most products.

What do you think happened with GT6? Sales tanked, and reception to the game in general was poor for a Gran Turismo game. For Gran Turismo Sport they changed lots and lots of things, and while GTS is pretty good now at release it was not terribly well received either. The whole "burn it to the ground" ideology seemed like a massive over-reaction on the part of Polyphony, one that they had to walk back substantially and add back in a bunch of content that was more "traditional" Gran Turismo.

I think we can say from this experience that simply having poor sales is not enough for Polyphony to fix things. They changed stuff, but the only major complaint about the series that they actually addressed was the sound issues. They "fixed" the career issues by essentially removing the career mode. They "fixed" the AI by trying to encourage people to drive online. They tried to avoid the problems by making a different game completely instead of being smart developers and solving them.

You can communicate your displeasure with a company just by not buying their products, but it's about as nuanced as communicating your displeasure with a friend by punching them in the face. Yeah, they're gonna understand that you're not happy but they'll have no idea why. If you instead talk about it, there's then useful information available that they can use to choose how they modify their behaviour, if they wish to do so.

Given what we've seen of GT7 so far, it's unclear that Polyphony understands what parts of their game are genuinely engaging and which parts are frustrating but people are willing to put up with them anyway. You can't communicate that to them with your wallet, you have to use your words.

 

[Silver Arrows]

The whole "burn it to the ground" ideology seemed like a massive over-reaction on the part of Polyphony, one that they had to walk back substantially and add back in a bunch of content that was more "traditional" Gran Turismo.

...and which still didn't help bring people back, it should be noted.

 

[Adam_GT_33]

What do you think happened with GT6? Sales tanked, and reception to the game in general was poor for a Gran Turismo game. For Gran Turismo Sport they changed lots and lots of things, and while GTS is pretty good now at release it was not terribly well received either. The whole "burn it to the ground" ideology seemed like a massive over-reaction on the part of Polyphony, one that they had to walk back substantially and add back in a bunch of content that was more "traditional" Gran Turismo.

I think we can say from this experience that simply having poor sales is not enough for Polyphony to fix things. They changed stuff, but the only major complaint about the series that they actually addressed was the sound issues. They "fixed" the career issues by essentially removing the career mode. They "fixed" the AI by trying to encourage people to drive online. They tried to avoid the problems by making a different game completely instead of being smart developers and solving them.

You can communicate your displeasure with a company just by not buying their products, but it's about as nuanced as communicating your displeasure with a friend by punching them in the face. Yeah, they're gonna understand that you're not happy but they'll have no idea why. If you instead talk about it, there's then useful information available that they can use to choose how they modify their behaviour, if they wish to do so.

Given what we've seen of GT7 so far, it's unclear that Polyphony understands what parts of their game are genuinely engaging and which parts are frustrating but people are willing to put up with them anyway. You can't communicate that to them with your wallet, you have to use your words.

I think PD have seen plenty of what people want to be fixed. They have fixed very little. To me it is very obvious just talking about what we want does little.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I think PD have seen plenty of what people want to be fixed. They have fixed very little. To me it is very obvious just talking about what we want does little.

On the one hand, you're correct. Polyphony is one of the last Japanese first party studios Sony has, and that offers massive amounts of insulation when most of Sony's first party output has shifted West. Couple that with Kaz (if my memory serves correct) still has a place on the Playstation board, it basically allows him to do whatever he wants with very little pushback and he's guaranteed more cache because GT as a series is an easy 5+ million seller.

The issue is, it's clear that not only has the competition on consoles caught up (and in most regards, has passed) GT, but by this point it's a hell of a lot easier to jump to the PC side of things and get just as comparable an experience to GT, especially in the graphics front. And it seems like Polyphony has reacted to this competition by...retreating further inward and practically making their entire games cloying displays of nostalgia. That isn't going to last long, especially if people aren't seeing any sort of change between one title and the next (which, considering what we've seen of GT7, I'm safe in saying there's not much difference between GTS and 7, and that's probably by design) and you're going to bleed users. They've already done that when people said no to the sterilized iRacing experience that Sport offered, and even after they added GT League events, people weren't exactly storming back to play the game because it was clear many of the problems with the game (specifically AI, but also modern economy which has been an issue with GT since 5) weren't going to be fixed.

It's getting clear now that if GT7 doesn't set the world on fire, then you're going to get a groundswell of people criticizing it, much like how GT5 and 6 were (rightly) criticized, and Polyphony can't exactly sweep it under the rug anymore.

 

[Adam_GT_33]

On the one hand, you're correct. Polyphony is one of the last Japanese first party studios Sony has, and that offers massive amounts of insulation when most of Sony's first party output has shifted West. Couple that with Kaz (if my memory serves correct) still has a place on the Playstation board, it basically allows him to do whatever he wants with very little pushback and he's guaranteed more cache because GT as a series is an easy 5+ million seller.

The issue is, it's clear that not only has the competition on consoles caught up (and in most regards, has passed) GT, but by this point it's a hell of a lot easier to jump to the PC side of things and get just as comparable an experience to GT, especially in the graphics front. And it seems like Polyphony has reacted to this competition by...retreating further inward and practically making their entire games cloying displays of nostalgia. That isn't going to last long, especially if people aren't seeing any sort of change between one title and the next (which, considering what we've seen of GT7, I'm safe in saying there's not much difference between GTS and 7, and that's probably by design) and you're going to bleed users. They've already done that when people said no to the sterilized iRacing experience that Sport offered, and even after they added GT League events, people weren't exactly storming back to play the game because it was clear many of the problems with the game (specifically AI, but also modern economy which has been an issue with GT since 5) weren't going to be fixed.

It's getting clear now that if GT7 doesn't set the world on fire, then you're going to get a groundswell of people criticizing it, much like how GT5 and 6 were (rightly) criticized, and Polyphony can't exactly sweep it under the rug anymore.

I will wait to see if GT7 fixes people’s problems with GTS, but overall I doubt it. I think the only way is if people wait to buy it. That combined with the success of Forza would definitely make them change their ways. Out of curiosity, which games on console have surpassed GT? I guess ACC has far better physics, but to me it’s not really direct competition to GT.

 

[05XR8]

I will wait to see if GT7 fixes people’s problems with GTS, but overall I doubt it. I think the only way is if people wait to buy it. That combined with the success of Forza would definitely make them change their ways. Out of curiosity, which games on console have surpassed GT? I guess ACC has far better physics, but to me it’s not really direct competition to GT.

I'd say ACC is direct competition. eSports activity and the whole GT3/GR.3 focus of the games. Even Toyota's recent concept can't deny the global strength of the GT3 series.

 

[Adam_GT_33]

I'd say ACC is direct competition. eSports activity and the whole GT3/GR.3 focus of the games. Even Toyota's recent concept can't deny the global strength of the GT3 series.

To me the direct competition for GT is Forza. ACC is far more of a sim. GT can be played by a casual newcomer on their couch with a controller who doesn’t know much about racing, ACC can’t. Besides both being racing games, they really aren’t that similar imo. I think GT has a way bigger market to appeal to than ACC has to, which is why Kunos can develop such a great game.

 

[soc123_au]

I will wait to see if GT7 fixes people’s problems with GTS, but overall I doubt it. I think the only way is if people wait to buy it. That combined with the success of Forza would definitely make them change their ways. Out of curiosity, which games on console have surpassed GT? I guess ACC has far better physics, but to me it’s not really direct competition to GT.

We will probably need to wait for Forza Motorsport 8 to see if there is a new "King"

The info about it is pretty much non existent, but the little we have makes me think that it may end up being something like what the GT7 we all want should be. I've hedged my bets and got a PS5 and Series X.

 

[05XR8]

To me the direct competition for GT is Forza. ACC is far more of a sim. GT can be played by a casual newcomer on their couch with a controller who doesn’t know much about racing, ACC can’t. Besides both being racing games, they really aren’t that similar imo. I think GT has a way bigger market to appeal to than ACC has to, which is why Kunos can develop such a great game.

AC is just like GT. ACC is like GTS.
AC can use regular cars and race cars. Set up championships and tune. Run Time trials, hot lap, etc.

If you're going to include all of GT, include all of Assetto Corsa. Plus, it look like there may be another Assetto Corsa with road cars in the near future.

 

[Adam_GT_33]

We will probably need to wait for Forza Motorsport 8 to see if there is a new "King"

The info about it is pretty much non existent, but the little we have makes me think that it may end up being something like what the GT7 we all want should be. I've hedged my bets and got a PS5 and Series X.

It’s weird there has been zero info. I don’t like their strategy of releasing a CGI trailer to build hype though. I like how GT has been showing gameplay trailers. After Forza 7 I gave up on the franchise. But hopefully 8 is good since more competition is always better.

 

[soc123_au]

It’s weird there has been zero info. I don’t like their strategy of releasing a CGI trailer to build hype though. I like how GT has been showing gameplay trailers. After Forza 7 I gave up on the franchise. But hopefully 8 is good since more competition is always better.

7 was my first dive into Forza. Ultimately I much prefer GT Sport, but I did enjoy it. Forza 7 car list dumped into GT Sport and I'd be a happy camper.