Gran Turismo 7 Daytona Speedway Gameplay Revealed

[danh25]

I've accepted at this point that PD just aren't giving us better AI no matter how much people keep bringing it up or harassing the Social media channels (the latter of which is not even remotely constructive or any more effective). Just seems like at this point it solely exists just to meet the bare minimum. As much as I want to say "Name one developer that has ever advertised their game with the Hardest AI difficulty setting in a trailer" (which to be fair, I don't remember seeing one myself even in anything recent), its a miracle to expect ANY real big changes.

I would say that to judge the AI it is better to have the game in your hands or a specific video showing the improvements of the latter.
These videos are meant to advertise the track only and nothing else.

In gt sport credits there is if I remember correctly 1 or 2 person working on ai and around 20 on scapes so…

Which is quite irrelevant considering that GTsport started out as a purely online game

 

[snc]

Which is quite irrelevant considering that GTsport started out as a purely online game

problem is from what we have seen on trailer ai didn't improved noticably, lets wait for gt7 credits ;d

 

[danh25]

problem is from what we have seen on trailer ai didn't improved noticably, lets wait for gt7 credits ;d

For sure judging AI from a video advertising a track isn't something I would do, considering it's not the focus of the video.
Given that I do not expect a revolution for the AI but some improvements due to GTmode.

 

[George Jakob]

There is improvement. And saying they're isn't is downright hysterical.

Wow aren't you hyped..

Shifting sounds, wind, tire noise, all improved.

I consider wind to be more environmental rather than car related effect, thats why i didn't mention it.
I tested the 911 RSR with the highest volume i could side by side with the video and i coulden't find anything different. But maybe im wrong. As far as tyres go we already could adjust the volume .
But regardles i was talking about the meet and potatoes when it comes to car sound, and that is of course the engine note. Before anyone says it i am aware the model in game is the early side exhaust configuration, but at the very least it should sound something like this.
And if you honestly tell me the Ford GT LM we heard in the trailer sounds anywhere close to this and i coulden't hear it maybe i am hysterical.

 

[MroczMR]

Again only 16 cars on track. It is starting to worry me.

 

[daus26]

First next gen GT game to look similar to the previous gen in looks and content, but not surprised ofc. This is what the people wanted, an upgraded base ps4 game, that more people can play.

I remember GT3 being so much lower in content, but the next gen experience over shadowed everything else. Then there was GT5 that made a huge leap in graphical quality and features. Then came GT Sport that nearly bought the GT3 experience with another leap in visuals with little content, but it wasn’t even a proper traditional GT game, so it failed for me. I still got many hours from it tho, but only because I have a driving rig to keep me engaged.

This is what was supposed to be the game we were to be experiencing back in 2013-2014, so that’s how I’m going to look at it. Heck, it’s even called GT7, the successor to Ps3’s GT6. Kaz either just wanted to focus on E sports in the meanwhile, or development is just slow.

Here’s to GT8 to truly experience current generation Gran Turismo and hopefully not so much focused on E-Sports, or at least not the main focus.

 

[Kalder]

I'm expecting the AI to be better than in GT Sport, hopefully the AI gradually gets better the farther you get into the single player. Easy in the beginner leagues, hard in the professional / endurance leagues.

 

[Muller_cj]

I'm expecting the AI to be better than in GT Sport, hopefully the AI gradually gets better the farther you get into the single player. Easy in the beginner leagues, hard in the professional / endurance leagues.

a better idea is to do what other games do and have a slider for AI ability,

 

[Samus]

I'm expecting the AI to be better than in GT Sport, hopefully the AI gradually gets better the farther you get into the single player. Easy in the beginner leagues, hard in the professional / endurance leagues.

No, that is terrible game design in 2022. You're forcing good drivers to slog through slow, boring AI for a third of the game then you're asking the slower people to try and beat faster cars that they might just never be able to. That's the same mistake GT Sport had, so if you wanted to do the Gr.4 events in career you could only do it with the most slow, braindead AI. No choice of Gr.4 with better, albeit still slow, AI.

As @Muller_cj said, you use difficulty options throughout like pretty much every other game does.

But that's not the PD way, so we're almost certainly going to be stuck with same old same old fixed difficulty again like it's still 1997.

 

[Magog]

No, that is terrible game design in 2022. You're forcing good drivers to slog through slow, boring AI for a third of the game then you're asking the slower people to try and beat faster cars that they might just never be able to. That's the same mistake GT Sport had, so if you wanted to do the Gr.4 events in career you could only do it with the most slow, braindead AI. No choice of Gr.4 with better, albeit still slow, AI.

As @Muller_cj said, you use difficulty options throughout like pretty much every other game does.

But that's not the PD way, so we're almost certainly going to be stuck with same old same old fixed difficulty again like it's still 1997.

If it's like GTSport you will be able to select the AI difficulty in custom races as well and earn credits that way.

 

[Kalder]

a better idea is to do what other games do and have a slider for AI ability,

GT Sport already has that, easy medium and hard difficulty when you set up your own race, only hard isn't really hard...

 

[Imari]

In gt sport credits there is if I remember correctly 1 or 2 person working on ai and around 20 on scapes so…

So that tells us relatively how important they think these things are for the game.

I would say that to judge the AI it is better to have the game in your hands or a specific video showing the improvements of the latter.
These videos are meant to advertise the track only and nothing else.

Not really, it's titled as a gameplay video. That means critiquing the gameplay is fair - they're presenting it as an example of what the gameplay of GT7 will look like.

 

[Phaceless_Ph]

And if you honestly tell me that the Ford GT LM we heard in the trailer sounds anywhere close to this and i coulden't hear it maybe i am hysterical.

Potentially very nit-picky because the majority of people playing Gran Turismo probably don't even watch motorsport outside of F1, but Polyphony seriously needs to rework the Ford GT LM sound instead of simply plopping-in the road car's sound like they've done here. I've heard those cars in person and they are phenomenally loud to the point they drown out even the old front-engine Corvettes.

Aside from that, the overall sound of the game seems to travel and reverberate a bit better.

 

[Adam_GT_33]

I prefer online anyway, but PD just need to learn however Codemasters does the Ai for F1 and copy them.

 

[Samus]

I prefer online anyway, but PD just need to learn however Codemasters does the Ai for F1 and copy them.

They could learn from/hire from anywhere. I can't think of any racing game in the past 20 years that has worse AI than GT. Heck, I'd prefer some of the extreme rubberbanding you get from arcade NFS titles to what is in GT. It might be wildly unfair, but at least it gives you a bit of excitement and action.

It's not like they don't know, either. They know they're slow. The AI would have no hope of getting anywhere close to the target times PD place on their time trial events, or put up any challenge to the fastest eSports players. They know the laptimes the AI can do are multiple seconds slower. They just seem perfectly happy with it. From a business POV you might understand it, GT games keep selling millions despite it, so why bother? But from a matter of pride, you'd think they would at some point have addressed it.

Mind you, it took them until GTS to properly address the sounds so maybe we've got another three or four games before they put the same effort into AI.

 

[danh25]

So that tells us relatively how important they think these things are for the game.

Not really, it's titled as a gameplay video. That means critiquing the gameplay is fair - they're presenting it as an example of what the gameplay of GT7 will look like.

No, they are just presenting daytona, with a simple lap on the latter.
If they advertised it as gameplay they had to show you at least:
The damage system (mechanical or visual).
the day night cycle - dynamic weather.
Or examples of the new physics.

The focus of the video is just one, a lap on the daytona track and that's enough.

Attention, I don't expect revolutions on AI either, but I don't consider this video any more than what they are advertising just because you don't see anything else.

 

[R4M_Wassabi]

With Sony buying support studios left and right, they definitely need to get one for PD. It is clear that they are struggling with some things, like AI for example. Whether they prioritize other elements of the game or they simply cannot figure it out is a mystery. To me it almost feels like PD are too proud of themself and want everything to be done by them and them only, or they just don't know how to cooperatere with other studios. Seeing that supposedly, only one guy works on physics and two on AI makes them sound more like an indie developer rather than an established AAA studio that has been making games for more than two decades.

 

[Imari]

No, they are just presenting daytona, with a simple lap on the latter.
If they advertised it as gameplay they had to show you at least:
The damage system (mechanical or visual).
the day night cycle - dynamic weather.
Or examples of the new physics.

The focus of the video is just one, a lap on the daytona track and that's enough.

Attention, I don't expect revolutions on AI either, but I don't consider this video any more than what they are advertising just because you don't see anything else.

Look at the title of the video. See where it says Gran Turismo 7 - Daytona International Speedway Gameplay Video | PS5, PS4? See where it says Gameplay captured on PS5?

It's a gameplay demo. Playstation have explicitly said this is a gameplay demo. They can show us as much or as little gameplay as they like, but what they show us is gameplay. If you don't like it, take it up with Sony. But what you're saying is wrong. This video is an example of the gameplay of GT7, and it includes AI.

 

[JDMKING13]

I prefer online anyway, but PD just need to learn however Codemasters does the Ai for F1 and copy them.

I just can’t get excited beating AI anymore, I know a lot of people look forward to the offline career, but I’m hoping they improve the online aspect even more.

 

[Samus]

No, they are just presenting daytona, with a simple lap on the latter.
If they advertised it as gameplay they had to show you at least:
The damage system (mechanical or visual).
the day night cycle - dynamic weather.
Or examples of the new physics.

The focus of the video is just one, a lap on the daytona track and that's enough.

Attention, I don't expect revolutions on AI either, but I don't consider this video any more than what they are advertising just because you don't see anything else.

So by your crazy logic every gameplay video has to contain all aspects of possible gameplay? C'mon dude. Gameplay is gameplay. It's impossible to show gameplay of a race without showing the AI, they know full well people are going to look at the AI, not just ignore it because "Well they're not part of the gameplay PD are showing here".

It's no different to this gameplay video showing off Bathurst for the first time in GT6 that they sent out to media. Everything else about the video was still representative of the final game.

EDIT: Wrong video linked, just a sec.

 

[Magog]

So by your crazy logic every gameplay video has to contain all aspects of possible gameplay? C'mon dude. Gameplay is gameplay. It's impossible to show gameplay of a race without showing the AI, they know full well people are going to look at the AI, not just ignore it because "Well they're not part of the gameplay PD are showing here".

It's no different to this gameplay video showing off Bathurst for the first time in GT6 that they sent out to media. Everything else about the video was still representative of the final game.

Those shadows. 👀 GT7 has come a long way from Sport.

 

[danh25]

So by your crazy logic every gameplay video has to contain all aspects of possible gameplay? C'mon dude. Gameplay is gameplay. It's impossible to show gameplay of a race without showing the AI, they know full well people are going to look at the AI, not just ignore it because "Well they're not part of the gameplay PD are showing here".

It's no different to this gameplay video showing off Bathurst for the first time in GT6 that they sent out to media. Everything else about the video was still representative of the final game.

EDIT: Wrong video linked, just a sec.

Look, think what you want I don't care that much.
If for you this video REALLY shows you what the AI of the game will be, I'm fine also because I'm not saying the opposite but I'm just saying that this is not a video with which I would judge this parameter precisely for how it is set and that is as a simple ride of quiet track that shows the track in a calm way, complete with a replay.

So I will not reply in addition to your posts indeed I will not write anything else because you make the discussions only unnecessarily toxic for too much presumption.

 

[Strittan]

I would think it's because the Daytona 24 hours is coming up. I'm not sure what's so "cringe" about a place that since the 50's has been holding races that started out right on the beach. Seems like the logical time to portray that the track is coming back. It's nice to keep an open mind to different series held in different countries.
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But let me guess, if they showed video of them "hyping" Anderstorp, you'd be peeing in your bloomers. lol

Maybe you’re not aware, but Daytona was in GT5P, GT5 and GT6. Also, it has already been known to be in GT7 since the game was first shown.

Lol, you guessed wrong. Why would I give a crap about Anderstorp, or any other Swedish track for that matter? I figure there hasn’t been a Swedish Grand Prix in ages for a reason.

Why did you get so offended anyway? It’s not your mom I’m attacking. Hardly an attack either.

 

[Samus]

Look, think what you want I don't care that much.
If for you this video REALLY shows you what the AI of the game will be, I'm fine also because I'm not saying the opposite but I'm just saying that this is not a video with which I would judge this parameter precisely for how it is set and that is as a simple ride of quiet track that shows the track in a calm way, complete with a replay.

So I will not reply in addition to your posts indeed I will not write anything else because you make the discussions only unnecessarily toxic for too much presumption.

Watching a video and making a judgement on it is now presumption? Amazing. It's right there in full colour and HD fella. And I'm supposedly the toxic one, not the person getting unnecessarily defensive because he doesn't like to see people criticising something they're watching with their own eyes, and tries to scramble for any excuse as to why they're wrong.

 

[Greatbee]

Ah.. those demagogue's..😀 Just wait for release, test on different settings and than judge what's done and what's not.😄

 

[danh25]

Look at the title of the video. See where it says Gran Turismo 7 - Daytona International Speedway Gameplay Video | PS5, PS4? See where it says Gameplay captured on PS5?

It's a gameplay demo. Playstation have explicitly said this is a gameplay demo. They can show us as much or as little gameplay as they like, but what they show us is gameplay. If you don't like it, take it up with Sony. But what you're saying is wrong. This video is an example of the gameplay of GT7, and it includes AI.

So are you seriously underlining the words gameplay?
This is a gameplay yes, but it also says "Daytona International Speedway Gameplay Video" and that is, it speaks explicitly of the track and to do it they take a lap of the track ... come on do not climb on the mirrors

 

[Shakengandulf]

Am I the only one that feels like the AI seen in the Deep Forest video, is different in what we see here? It looks like they were way faster, and more competitive at Deep Forest.

No you're not, i picked up on that aswell.
Glad someone else did too.

Its like people have forgotten about this clip, we have 3 cars side by side at one point.
Plenty of times they are overtaking each other, even touching.

 

[Imari]

So are you seriously underlining the words gameplay?
This is a gameplay yes, but it also says "Daytona International Speedway Gameplay Video" and that is, it speaks explicitly of the track and to do it they take a lap of the track ... come on do not climb on the mirrors

Oh cool, so now you admit that it's gameplay? Problem solved.

 

[Samus]

Ah.. those demagogue's..😀 Just wait for release, test on different settings and than judge what's done and what's not.😄

Ah, translated as "You can only post positively about pre-release videos, to critique the game you have to wait until you actually have it. But then when you do have it and are critiquing it I'll just label you as a complainer and ask what you expected after watching the pre-release videos".

So are you seriously underlining the words gameplay?
This is a gameplay yes, but it also says "Daytona International Speedway Gameplay Video" and that is, it speaks explicitly of the track and to do it they take a lap of the track ... come on do not climb on the mirrors

Yes, it's gameplay footage of Gran Turismo 7 on the Daytona circuit. Well observed. What I don't see is an asterix leading to *This video is intented only to show off the track, please do not look at anything else in this footage, we just threw it in randomly and it's all unrepresentative of Gran Turismo 7 gameplay. None of it. LOOK AT THE TRACK ONLY.

 

[Greatbee]

Does this video shows how AI reacts on different settings (easy, medium, hard)? Nope. So we don't know much.