Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

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Here's a question I have. Are all 338 cars from GTS confirmed to be in GT7? That leaves a dismal 82-91 new cars added to the game. Adding insult to injury, many of the new cars in GT7 (ones not in GTS) were already in GT6 and other older GT games.

Also, am I the only one who finds it concerning how there's two nearly identical Silvias in the game?
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It's not definite that all those cars in GTSport will be present in GT7. Some might have expired license and got replaced by newer cars.
 
Strittan
Source?
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S13 K's Dia Selection '90 is carried over from GT SPORT, and S13 Q's '88 returns since it was featured in GT6 last.
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Do you know why we haven't seen a lot of new tracks?

Do you know why we haven't seen a lot of new cars?

Do you know why graphics aren't that better than sport?


Because the game will be delayed. I'm 100% sure.

And the lack of preorder stinks like a dead pig.
 
Losco
Do you know why we haven't seen a lot of new tracks?

Do you know why we haven't seen a lot of new cars?

Do you know why graphics aren't that better than sport?


Because the game will be delayed. I'm 100% sure.

And the lack of preorder stinks like a dead pig.
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They can add tracks and cars through DLC like they did with GTSport. Graphics aren't that much better than Sport because the assets are literally still designed as a PS4 game and they just ported GTSport assets over. It's expected given the game is cross-gen. What was unexpected was the possibility of dynamic time of day and dynamic weather, in which case I'm extremely happy they implemented that. I guess it could still get delayed depending on how much time they need to polish it up, but I wouldn't say a delay is sure to happen.
 
Losco
Do you know why we haven't seen a lot of new tracks?

Do you know why we haven't seen a lot of new cars?

Do you know why graphics aren't that better than sport?


Because the game will be delayed. I'm 100% sure.

And the lack of preorder stinks like a dead pig.
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Spoiling everything at once is a terrible marketing. March is still a long way to go.
The game could be delayed yeah but it's hard to be 100% sure unless you have connection at PD. They're known for delaying their game if it isn't ready, that's not really a surprise at this point.
 
Formidable
What would be a better challenge than the license tests then, in your perspective? I personally enjoy the driving tests because it in a way helps me get familiar with the game's physics and provides a decent challenge. Not saying there isn't a better way, just wondering of other unique and practical ways it could be done while still being fun.
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At least Licenses not only centered around driving fast, but those which teach about racecraft too, like attacking, defending, braking, cornering, slipstreaming, etc. Probably other aspects like setup too.
Samus
I just want to see them try new ideas, even if some don't come off. I had no interest in the online aspect of GTS but I liked that they tried something different. I hoped that would continue with GT7 but instead they seem to have just reverted back to the same old formula. It's disappointing.
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You claim you'd tolerate the ideas not coming off, but you were still criticizing PD completely for star system on GT6 (granted that it's not good, but for your claim there).
CLowndes888
Mission Challenges!

Nostalgia is a very powerful thing. If people are given the opportunity to relive their childhood memories from the old games, they will jump at it. A collection of legendary vehicles and classic tracks updated to a "premium" quality is enough for them.
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Would argue for another reason to value those rather than using nostalgia.

It's misguided view if people have nostalgia bias to assume that anything from the past is automatically good where anything in the present is bad due to it not resembling your childhood memories, especially if the past one isn't actually better. On the other hand the inverse isn't true either for those who blindly assume that everything from the past is bad unlike the present one and treat everything in the past as inherently outdated.

No I wouldn't want the game to only about legendary vehicles and classic tracks updated to Premium and leaving it at that. The legendary vehicles I want not because of nostalgia but because of how they're important part of automotives and that GT had to cover wide era of automotive; thus legendary cars that aren't in past games should be made too, like 917K. For the tracks it's purely subjective, put good tracks in the game regardless of which era the track came, old nostalgic ones or newcomers.
 
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Scaff
They can, not magically, but they certainly can, plenty of other titles have done just that.

It's not a cause of can't be done, it's a question of will PD put the work into doing so.



Arguably adding in tracks will give you more choice than adding in cars.

If you have 50 tracks and 500 cars to start with and you add a track you get 500 new experiences (assuming you drive each car around the new track), add in a new car and you get 50 new experiences (assuming you drive the new car at each track), which is why I've personally favored new tracks over cars (but would rather have more of both).
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Agreed on the tracks. If anything, I was hoping to see more original tracks of old or new revealed.

As for the main career mode, I mean that adding new tracks to the game would just be an extension. It wouldn’t be the “original” career mode. If someone completes 100% before the addition of new tracks (and platinums the game), it would be rendered down to maybe 90% completion (same way it works in GT Sport’s track additions). In that aspect I agree ofc. It can be done. Depending on the players, and the time new tracks are added, interest to the game may wane, versus if most of the original content was available day 1.

So yeah, to me it’s a big deal that as much content as possible is available day 1, to the point that I rather they delay the game, if it means the game design will be based on more tracks. It can be the difference between having 5 or 10 races in a championship event, to the original career mode.
 
o000o
You claim you'd tolerate the ideas not coming off, but you were still criticizing PD completely for star system on GT6 (granted that it's not good, but for your claim there).
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Wanting to see them try new ideas even knowing that some of them will be bad is not the same as saying that you'll give bad ideas a free pass. There's plenty of areas in which I think rolling the dice on a random new idea is preferable to sticking with the same old same old, but it's still fair to critique those ideas if they end up being bad.

The progression system in GT5 single player was hot garbage, and so asking for absolutely anything except that was totally fair. The star system in GT6 was mildly warm garbage, and just because it was better than what it replaced doesn't mean it should get off scot free.

Trying new ideas is good because at least there's the hope that something better will result. If it doesn't, or if it's better but still bad, then critiquing that is not unreasonable. And the developers should frankly welcome that sort of feedback, because otherwise they'd end up just making the same game over and over for decades.
 
Imari
Wanting to see them try new ideas even knowing that some of them will be bad is not the same as saying that you'll give bad ideas a free pass. There's plenty of areas in which I think rolling the dice on a random new idea is preferable to sticking with the same old same old, but it's still fair to critique those ideas if they end up being bad.

The progression system in GT5 single player was hot garbage, and so asking for absolutely anything except that was totally fair. The star system in GT6 was mildly warm garbage, and just because it was better than what it replaced doesn't mean it should get off scot free.

Trying new ideas is good because at least there's the hope that something better will result. If it doesn't, or if it's better but still bad, then critiquing that is not unreasonable. And the developers should frankly welcome that sort of feedback, because otherwise they'd end up just making the same game over and over for decades.
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I'm not giving free pass to Bad Piggies-esque system or PD for doing that (had no enthusiasm at all in GT6 era before), I think that's bad game design too, don't make assumptions like that for me. Just asking specifically him regarding his words of the part of trying new ideas that aren't coming off.
 
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o000o
I'm not giving free pass to Bad Piggies-esque system or PD for doing that (had no enthusiasm at all in GT6 era before), I think that's bad game design too, don't make assumptions like that for me. Just asking specifically him regarding his words of the part of trying new ideas that aren't coming off.
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I made no assumptions about your personal stance on the systems in GT5 and 6.

You claimed Samus said he'd tolerate new ideas not coming off. I'm not seeing that in what he posted, wanting to see new ideas even if you know that some of them will end up being bad is one thing. Wanting to see new ideas and promising not to critique them at all regardless of quality is pretty different.

I'm not seeing the hypocrisy that you're trying to paint Samus with. Are you sure you're not running into a language barrier and misunderstanding what he wrote? I mean, you've somehow managed to interpret my post as putting words in your mouth when it does absolutely nothing of the sort.
 
MXH
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Might be old news for some but I personally missed this bit of info entirely.

It’s an instant pass for me once again. One of the main reasons I gave GTS a pass as well.

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There goes my excitement. I guess I could wait for a secondhand physical copy or heavily discounted PSN version instead. :(

Perhaps the always-online requirements were mandated because of the FIA involvement with sport mode?
 
HarVee
That's very shoddy reasoning. 'Go play something else because you want modern cars'. That's basically the sum of your argument.
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True but still the truth. Don't watch F1 if you don't like racing with few overtakes, don't go to classic car shows if you don't like classic cars and don't buy Gran Turismo if you don't like 80s-90s japanese cars. Same for everything with Initial D, Tokyo, Import, Togue in the name of a video game. Forza will cover you, maybe also in 22 or maybe with delay even before GT7. Same for PCars 4 and maybe the next Grid. There are enough alternatives to be released or already on the market like FM7, PCars 2,3, AC.
 
toastet
True but still the truth. Don't watch F1 if you don't like racing with few overtakes, don't go to classic car shows if you don't like classic cars and don't buy Gran Turismo if you don't like 80s-90s japanese cars. Same for everything with Initial D, Tokyo, Import, Togue in the name of a video game. Forza will cover you, maybe also in 22 or maybe with delay even before GT7. Same for PCars 4 and maybe the next Grid. There are enough alternatives to be released or already on the market like FM7, PCars 2,3, AC.
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Why do you argue it’s not possible to enjoy GT without liking everything about it? Extreme to say the least.

I don’t enjoy the Vision GT cars, but they don’t interfere with my appreciation for the game in general. Everyone have their personal gripes with the things they enjoy, and nothing is perfect.
 
fikridroid
There goes my excitement. I guess I could wait for a secondhand physical copy or heavily discounted PSN version instead. :(

Perhaps the always-online requirements were mandated because of the FIA involvement with sport mode?
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This is the same as GT Sport.

I was expecting this. I didnt expect GT7 being built on GT Sport, to deviate from the way GT Sport works.

You have to have a persistant working connection at all times.

This has impact people who do the endurance races. You have to pray your connection comes back before end of race.
 
Nielsen
Why do you argue it’s not possible to enjoy GT without liking everything about it? Extreme to say the least.

I don’t enjoy the Vision GT cars, but they don’t interfere with my appreciation for the game in general. Everyone have their personal gripes with the things they enjoy, and nothing is perfect.
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Because you can't not drive the hated 80s-90s (japanese) cars since they are part of the license tests and mandatory in many championships. You don't need to drive the VGTs because they're optional.
 
toastet
True but still the truth. Don't watch F1 if you don't like racing with few overtakes, don't go to classic car shows if you don't like classic cars and don't buy Gran Turismo if you don't like 80s-90s japanese cars. Same for everything with Initial D, Tokyo, Import, Togue in the name of a video game. Forza will cover you, maybe also in 22 or maybe with delay even before GT7. Same for PCars 4 and maybe the next Grid. There are enough alternatives to be released or already on the market like FM7, PCars 2,3, AC.
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Here's the kicker though, I never said I didn't like '90s Japanese cars. What I said was that they don't excite me as much as newer cars do. One of my favourite cars is the R33 Skyline, but that doesn't mean I am going to be excited to see it again, for the 8th time in the series, when there are several cars that would be more exciting to see. I'm okay with '90s Japanese cars, I just don't think they should be given the spotlight over newer cars that deserve the spotlight. Why is that so hard to understand?
 
HarVee
Here's the kicker though, I never said I didn't like '90s Japanese cars. What I said was that they don't excite me as much as newer cars do. One of my favourite cars is the R33 Skyline, but that doesn't mean I am going to be excited to see it again, for the 8th time in the series, when there are several cars that would be more exciting to see. I'm okay with '90s Japanese cars, I just don't think they should be given the spotlight over newer cars that deserve the spotlight. Why is that so hard to understand?
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Maybe GT7 isnt the game for you then. I do get it. The Miatas RX7s Silvias Supras Skylines EVOs WRXs 300zx Fairladys are the bread and butter of GT and I do get their appearance is de rigueur and they dont excite me that much but that's what this is. Japan game gonna be dominated by Japanese cars and Japanese tracks.

I also do get how Korea and China will most likely never get the spotlight on any GT series. I dont expect to see a Kia Stinger, ever.
 

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