Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread
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I'm still salty about them shutting down Driveclub and essentially denying a sequel. That could've been another great racing game franchise.
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The driverclub team condemned itself by launching a game: quite late, with little content and with a broken online.
I believe that if the game had come out already complete with its features and content, the team would still exist and we would have had a sequel.
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I’m just saying. Is the framerate not relevant you think? GT Sport runs at 60 fps, and it looks amazing, as in very photorealistic. Anyone who brings up Driveclub and says it’s the best looking racing game ever is delusional. Again, it has good wet weather effects, that’s it, and it runs at 30 fps, so it’s not even a fair comparison to begin with.
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Driveclub has a somewhat emotive art direction whereas GT games are far more clinical in their presentation. Graphical fidelity/realism and visual direction are not necessarily the same thing - one is fairly objective and the other is fairly subjective. I think it's reasonable for someone to prefer the visuals of driveclub over the GT series (including GT7) even if it is technically inferior.
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Jesus, give it a rest already. There’s no reason it would run any different, ok? I was just saying. The point I was trying to make is that comparing 30 fps to 60 fps games is unfair, especially when the 30 fps game in question is not even as good looking as people tend to think it is.
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Here I go butting into a discussion not addressed toward me, but why the dismissive attitude toward Driveclub? If you're going to stand atop that perch and claim Driveclub, a game that released in 2014, doesn't hold its own against a game that released years later you're not interested in actually having a discussion on the matter.
All GT Sport has going for it is visuals and...not much else. It's hardly a game in comparison to the previous installments; it's less of a game than GT6. The simulation mode races feel tacked on as if they were an afterthought, which is odd considering it was the focus of an entire update after the game launched, and there's virtually no reason to do them. Great, there's GT3 nostalgia music! What about prize cars?
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Why exactly are you bothered? You said something that didn't make sense and I asked why you thought it would be any different.
Again, I know what you're saying, and I'm not commenting no how it looks. I'm commenting on you for some reason expecting it to be any different. It seems you just dont know exactly what you're talking about. Ooops!
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What the hell are you talking about? We’re discussing visuals here, and I was not the one who brought up Driveclub in the first place. The one who did though, argued that Driveclub is still the best looking racing game out there, which I simply disagree with. Jesus H Christ, this place sometimes…
I might as well ask why you are bothered? When did I say I expected anything? I was just stating the obvious if you will. You know, some games have been given 60 fps PS5 patches, which is perhaps why I happened to mention the PS5 at all. I’m so sorry.
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You're posting in a public place and getting bothered by people responding? You might be wanting to write in a journal instead. You said:
So, yeah, no duh it runs the same on the PS5. Considering the game was released in 2014, and the dev studio is dead. Do you really expect a dead studio to release updates for their game that they haven't touched in years?
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One, drop the attitude. I don't recall addressing you this way so I'd appreciate the same courtesy.
Two, I was also addressing graphical fidelity, hence my comments about it holding its own against GT Sport. If my later comment about GT Sport not being a game skewed that from your perspective, I apologize as those were separate comments made on my own accord.
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You're the one here trying to insult people and you're trying to say someone else is the one with the problem? You said something, that doesn't make sense, so I asked a question. Again, if people asking you about things you said bothers you so much, so much so that you have to try to insult them, then maybe you should write in a journal instead.
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I get what @Strittan was saying, you can't compare a game that runs at 30fps to one that runs at 60fps. The 30fps game has a lot more graphical headroom. While it is absolutely correct that there was never a chance of a PS5 update for Driveclub, I can't help but feel @Strittan's original point has been lost amongst semantics. Not to say he didn't contribute to that himself with the PS5 comment, but there's really no need to beat around the bush. The original point was a fair point to make IMO.
Some people still act like Driveclub is the best looking game of it's generation, forgetting it was 30fps and as great as it was graphically for it's time, it has since been surpassed on a technical level on last gen hardware.
Some people still act like Driveclub is the best looking game of it's generation, forgetting it was 30fps and as great as it was graphically for it's time, it has since been surpassed on a technical level on last gen hardware.
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You think that asking me the same question multiple times, me answering every time, yet you not answering my question in return, is not gonna bother me? I’ll ask again. When did I say I expected a patch? I just said that some games have had patches. Not ever did I say I expected a Driveclub patch. I don’t know why I originally mentioned the PS5, but you’ve made me realize that it was a fatal mistake. I didn’t mean anything by it, which I’ve explained multiple times, yet you keep bothering me with the same question over and over again.
Actually, to my point. Here you go:
Edit: I better explain myself before you ask another question. That video was probably what I had in the back of my mind when I mentioned PS5. Some games apparently can run at 60 fps on PS5, unpatched no less.
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So, GT7 has exp. & Levelling (which means fastest race to get the exp. Is the only race anybody will do) and a rolling single start where you start the race on time and all the AI cars ahead of you start early, which is why on GT6 and GTS the AI cars never record the first sector.
Nothing I've seen so far indicates it is worth more than £20 as the content revealed suggests this is basically a data disk on top of GTS.
Nothing I've seen so far indicates it is worth more than £20 as the content revealed suggests this is basically a data disk on top of GTS.
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I think asking a question you didn't really answer the first time, then having to ask again because of that, was necessary, yes. You didn't answer it and instead talked about the graphics when I mentioned nothing of the sort. I only ever touched on the fact that the studio was dead so it didn't make sense to expect a change in the way the game plays. Your questions about graphics had nothing to do with what I said, so that's why it wasn't answered, because I didn't talk about that at all and had nothing to do at all with what I said.
So mentioning that it runs the same on PS5 makes sense, because no patch was released to bump it up. I didn't say you expected a patch, I mentioned the patch because it requires the devs to put in the work to make that change. You apologized, and then you chose to just go straight for an insult - That's not much of an apology now is it?
Which makes it all the more interesting, and so far from the norm of how devs have to actually update their game themselves on the next gen consoles. The weird thing about the Last Guardian working at 60FPS is that it only works with the disc version, and that you have to make sure to not install any updates. That's very far out of the ordinary.
The point was very much multi-segmented. I had nothing to touch on for the graphics or the comparison between the games, but to make a remark against a game for not doing something on the PS5 that they never enabled in the first place should go without saying. It didn't need to be mentioned.
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All of the GT7 gameplay vids so far have been in harsh noon daylight conditions which is the most difficult to get right. Having gone back to Driveclub this is also the lighting condition it suffers the most in and looks really drab, and worse than GTSport/7. DC's rain effects are still unmatched though, wish PD would up their game regarding the rain beading/pooling effect on the windshield (been meaning to make a thread on this).
Biggest advantage DC had over Sport was the dynamic lighting and atmospherics which they dropped the framerate to 30fps for, but GT7 has that now and was my most wanted graphical/gameplay feature for the game. In the end it's still a cross-gen game, with environment assets made to run at 60fps on a base PS4, so the actual asset and material rendering are a minor upgrade over GTSport. PD will probably do a complete engine revamp for a PS5-only title.
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Biggest advantage DC had over Sport was the dynamic lighting and atmospherics which they dropped the framerate to 30fps for, but GT7 has that now and was my most wanted graphical/gameplay feature for the game. In the end it's still a cross-gen game, with environment assets made to run at 60fps on a base PS4, so the actual asset and material rendering are a minor upgrade over GTSport. PD will probably do a complete engine revamp for a PS5-only title.
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Yes and that's why I had to ask multiple times, because when I asked about why someone would expect a difference, he doubled down on the graphical capabilities. It wasn't a response to anything asked. Getting immediately defensive and insulting people didn't even make sense, the question was harmless.
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Did I not just explain that the video I posted was the reason I mentioned PS5 in the first place? Did I mean anything by mentioning PS5? No, as I’ve said multiple times, but I just remembered that video all of a sudden and realized that it must’ve been why I even mentioned the PS5 in the first place, but still, I didn’t mean anything by it. Did that video not also explain why I never expected a patch, which you said I did, even after saying multiple times that I did not? I’ve explained myself multiple times, but you were simply not willing to accept my answers, hence I got a little upset, I must admit.
Now you keep going on as if I never explained myself. And you’re talking about insults? Well, perhaps you should try and accept my answer, if not the first, then maybe the third time I give it? Also, english is not my first language, so excuse me if I’m having a hard time making myself 100% clear all the time.
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Your answers had nothing to do with what I asked, plain and simple. It's not that you didn't make yourself clear, quite the opposite really. It's just that what you responded to about my question had nothing to do with my actual question. I never kept going, I responded to @Dave A because it was obvious you didn't fully understand what I was asking in the first place. I have accepted your answer, but that doesn't mean I can't respond to it, especially when it has nothing to do with what I asked.
This is literally going on because you want to keep remarking on it. This turned out this way because you wanted to be an ass when no one was doing anything of the sort to you.
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It goes all the way back to their Motorstorm series on PS3. https://www.playstationlifestyle.ne...ure-might-have-been-the-end-of-the-developer/
Sony gave them another chance with Driveclub, it didn't do well either, despite not having any competition on PlayStation. The funny thing about all this is, there is conspiracy theories spreading around here that Kaz and Gran Turismo is the reason why Sony closed down Evolution. As if Kaz has a power to close down PS devs whenever he wants to. Blaming a dude who is minding his own business for the failure of others was one of the most hilarious thing I've encountered on this forum.
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It launched in a not-so-good state but managed to attract a very large following. It couldn't have been that bad. Many, many games have survived much, much worse.
Also, didn't Sony themselves say they weighed the project between other projects they had at the time and decided that the other projects were more important? That sounds like it can lend credibility that it was shutdown to support something bigger. The conspiracy theory about it being Kaz himself doesn't make sense, but the idea that a studio was shut down to support something else doesn't really seem that far-fetched.
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