Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread
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Thanks for confirming that you're a troll. What a bizarre waste of your time.I hope to have a laugh seeing you make a fool out of yourself by behaving like a 5-year-old crapping on posts you don't like.
And let's just say I "stumbled" on your posts. Stalking nutjobs on the internet is for losers.
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It's been like this since the launch, lots of haters that doesn't actually play the game but have enough time on their hand to complain about the game they hate. Makes all kinds of sense in a parallel universe. The biggest problem is that threads like this gets derailed and yes, i see that his post isn't helping but.... I went into this thread because it was updated and figured that there was some news around.
Only to see a classic interweb feud and your funny post
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I do have a lot of complaints with the game. Hell I only played like an hour every day now just driving around since that's the only enjoyable thing in the game for me right now. I kinda understand both sides though. Idk, I just don't have faith in PD anymore but I'm trying to not think about it too much. It's just a game after all.It's been like this since the launch, lots of haters that doesn't actually play the game but have enough time on their hand to complain about the game they hate. Makes all kinds of sense in a parallel universe. The biggest problem is that threads like this gets derailed and yes, i see that his post isn't helping but.... I went into this thread because it was updated and figured that there was some news around.
Only to see a classic interweb feud and your funny post
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I got plenty of issues with it myself, but i am able to enjoy what works without hating on everyone and everything that doesn't agree with my sentiments. And one thing is certain, if i was PD i had added these forums to ignore, actual constructive feedback is buried in threads with proud review bombers and people hating on PD
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I think I've hit my skill ceiling. I had a go at the last of the new Café menus tonight, the Gr1 Prototype races. I am literally a minute behind by the end of lap 1 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
Luckily, I absolutely love the WTC700 30min Le Mans race. Half an hour suits my lunch break, it's always interesting and I can usually get the win and the 825K that goes with it. My garage finally has some more interesting cars in it.
Any tips for the Gr1 though?
Luckily, I absolutely love the WTC700 30min Le Mans race. Half an hour suits my lunch break, it's always interesting and I can usually get the win and the 825K that goes with it. My garage finally has some more interesting cars in it.
Any tips for the Gr1 though?
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Plenty of developers do just that, and good developers turn it around when the feedback is overwhelmingly negative. But most developers who do this type of thing have a community manager who primarily looks after social media interatcions etc. And feeds it back to the higher ups who strategise based on that feedback. The reason PD don't post here has nothing to do with the tone, it's because Sony controls their media.
But you are right when you say that they don't have a responsibility to post here. They absolutely don't.
Although some people may be quicker to complain, there's rarely smoke without fire and the complaints aren't isolated to here, GT7 has been slammed almost everywhere, Twitter, YouTube, Metacritic etc. So its not all complaints for the sake of it. But it's nice when a balanced discussion takes place without opposing extremes just having at it.
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As has been pointed out multiple times. PD get daily feedback and hundreds of reports from their own feedback group. Featuring many of the big names from the Gran Turismo community. Some of which, like Tidgney, actively asks his own followers to submit reports to him. Which he can pass onto PD.
Feedback needs to be constructive and backed up by written or video evidence so it can be acted upon. Very little on GT Planet or the wider internet is particularly informative or constructive.
Maybe that would change if there was an active plan to put together a feedback thread/forum. Or we just get some info on what’s happening from @Tidgney and co?
Before that happens. I really think moderators need to consider what is considered acceptable langua. As mentioned up above. On many major forums it’s a banable offence to call devs lazy or ask for them to be sacked. In a time when everyone is becoming more aware of crunch, mental health challenges, and general behaviour online. GT Planet often feels like it’s from a different time.
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Silver Arrows
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As per usual, you have shown no evidence to prove this fact. More then that, but said 'feedback group' is very clearly being ignored, considering how slow lobby fixes have been, and that many of the problems plaguing GT7 still aren't really being fixed either.
Considering how many of the problems with GT7 ultimately wrap back around to structural problems that have been present in the series' ethos for nearly a decade, and have been well elaborated on both on this forum within those times, and indeed now that these structural problems are coming home to roost, it seems that Polyphony, once more, are ignoring it to the detriment of the franchise.
Much like you do ignore the fact that many of the 'complaints' within this forum and the wider internet still hold weight, and in the case of this forum, are informative.
PD are one of the world’s top developers and have shipped one of 2022’s most successful titles. Whatever your personal gripes, can we get a little perspective, and stop acting like the sky is falling in.
By all means read what Tidgney said himself and why some fixes may take longer than others.
Post in thread 'Update 1.15 now available'
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/update-1-15-now-available.408911/post-13738350
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What a truly strange thing to say.
Why would we make it a bannable offence to express the opinion that a person should be sacked? Right now in the UK (and for much of the last couple of years, increasingly), hundreds of thousands of people are calling for the Prime Minister to resign or be removed. If someone were to express that opinion - one also shared officially by dozens of media outlets and on their front pages - in the Britain thread in the Opinions & Current Events forum, you would want us to ban them for it?
The same thing happened with Prince Andrew. You'd have us ban users from expressing that opinion too?
Football (and other sports) managers often face calls to resign or for their bosses to sack them. Indeed England manager Gareth Southgate is facing that right now. Would you also want us to ban users for saying Southgate - or, some months ago, Solskjaer, Ranieri, Lampard, Dyche, or Benitez - should be sacked?
If you're only looking to ban people from saying game developers specifically should be sacked... why? What makes them a protected species? How do we justify allowing people to say Boris Johnson should be sacked but banning people who say Dan Greenawalt should be sacked?
Should we be banning people for saying Bobby Kotick should be sacked after all the insane crap that came out over Activision's Bro culture? He is, after all, a game developer...
But ultimately... why? What possible rationale could you have for saying "this subject must not be discussed by members" to the point of straight up banning people for it? What's so awful and threatening about thinking people are **** at their job that we cannot allow any expression of that sentiment or any discussion on the subject?
What do "crunch" and "mental health challenges" have to do with anything? Aside from anything else, "crunch" is something **** game developers enforce on their staff to get games out of the door on time and very much should factor into the conversation about whether those in charge of their studios should remain in post if they do so.
As for "mental health challenges"... what's this even referencing? Are we not supposed to allow any type of conversation which might make someone sad in case they already have anxiety/depression/another mood disorder? It'd be a bloody quiet forum.
Silver Arrows
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And is an absolutely hilarious call to the choir like we all aren't aware of mental health challenges and crunch happening within games development. Sure doesn't stop people from correctly criticizing the game for being the product that it is, increasingly unable to make most of the hardcore fanbase happy, and having enough negative press to not have many casual players stick around for long. But, considering the fact that the horse is out of the barn, it seems like some groups of people are increasingly reaching at hard to reach straws to quell people's correct criticizing of Polyphony, the series, and the game at large.
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Anyone have the legendary dealer prediction sheet, or is it no longer accurate?
One of biggest gaming forums in the world, Resetera, has such policies. Gaming is toxic enough at the best of times. The industry has been through a tough period that’s led to countless delays. An industry known for crunch (none more so than PD), where there have been many high profile cases of burnout, even leaving the industry.
This is not about letting devs get away with ****. It’s about showing respect and raising the level of debate. If someone’s immediate response to a disappointing update is to call a dev lazy or say they should be sacked. No, that is not acceptable on any level.
More often than not these insults are fully their own misconceptions & frustrations. IE, the familiar one about PD not listening to the community. You have a platform to articulate why you’re disappointed. Throwing around abuse offers nothing constructive.
And no. This does not mean you can’t offer up criticism (or call for someone’s removal) if someone engages in disrespectful or illegal activities.
Silver Arrows
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Can 100% confirm. Had my account nuked for bringing up multiple examples to the moderation staff of rampant transphobia within the userbase on both general, and specific subjects, and directly accused the moderation staff of trying to railroad people into bringing up potential moderation issues into private messages, where they'd be ignored. Considering all I had done in resettling two communities in the great migration from GAF to ERA, it proved just how bad things were under the surface, and from both former users, and those still there, talking about the site on the whole, it has not changed and has actively gotten worse.
So to raise ERA as somehow a bastion of nuanced discussion is absolutely hilarious.
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Food for thought:
GT Sport had an event called Z Heritage for the Nissan Fairlady. That game only had the Z32 and Z33 generations - at least when talking official Nissan models.
Anyway, for GT7 the Z432, 240ZG, Z34 and the new Z Performance were added on top, but guess what? The Z Heritage event was gone and is still nowhere to be seen three month in.
I don’t even know how to express my utter disappoint over such nonsense without being disrespectful about it. Games as a disservice is perhaps the most diplomatic way I can put it. No excuses for PD.
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Imagine saying that people should be banned for criticising a game developer. Sounds a bit communist to me.
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I think the Group 1 races are the first ones I've found really challenging, aside from the last of the 1 hour mission races.
I went with the Mazda VGT Gr1. You do need to drop the downforce all the way down as the lap time is all about the straight line speed on the speedway section.
Fuel map 6 and short shift about two thirds along the revv range. You'll still hit crazy top speeds with the 8 speed transmission. Pit at the end of lap 5 and you should be good. Medium tyres for both stints.
Can I ask what kind of lap times you're running currently?
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GT7's problems being something that wraps back around to structural problems that have been present in the series' ethos for nearly a decade is the reason why GT franchise as a whole should be knocked off its pedestal. PD is already a delusional company that is out of touch, but people singing on its praises on the older games are something that fuels their delusion further. Even if something is comparatively better than the other games that time, doesn't mean it's perfect as nothing's perfect, and the cons should be focused on lest ignoring something due to it being 'fine already' can be further done (or also pushed by some community).
If GT7 would be only evaluated based on its launch (deservingly so as PD never learned), then GTS should too, because PD never learned something from their launch even if they would add contents later. GTS shouldn't be given pass just because later there's Z Heritage, and that it was a game that didn't have any campaign events at the beginning.
Oh, you're ignoring about how GT Sport at the beginning had no campaign events at all? You're still excusing PD technically, for adding events like your Z Heritage that happened significantly after some backlash for GTS. When it can be done from the very beginning that PD still didn't do it for GT Sport.
If GT7 would be only evaluated based on its launch (deservingly so as PD never learned), then GTS should too, because PD never learned something from their launch even if they would add contents later. GTS shouldn't be given pass just because later there's Z Heritage, and that it was a game that didn't have any campaign events at the beginning.
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Chill, seriously. Pointing out that GT Sport had something doesn't need to come with "it had nothing at launch". We know how GTS released. Pointing out that the multiplayer-focused GTS had more singleplayer content this far past release than GT7 does is not a defense of GTS, but a condemnation of GT7.
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