Gran Turismo 7: Latest news and discussion thread

[HarVee]

Now that you mention it, this song wasn't included in the final game, the only music from the trailers that got through into the GTS OST, was Run Boy Run from Woodkid.

A song I wish was recycled as it was one of the very few good songs in GTS' race BGM. Would much rather take that song over Daiki Kasho.

 

[Nielsen]

Maybe, maybe not.

I don’t think GT6’s release has much relevance to the PD & Sony of today. The business outlook and development environment has changed entirely. We have major pieces of hardware being announced in Twitter posts. Huge titles being announced in blog updates. So I wouldn’t expect PD to spell out their plans until something is imminent. Most press don’t even get embargoed news these days. Everything is done through Sony’s own social media.

GT6 has relevance for comparison purposes, because while the industry has changed since 2013, it’s still relying on many of the same communicative platforms that were also available back then. We have to go all the way back to GT4 before we can talk about business outlooks being drastically different to those of today. However, it is true that service-based game design has taken shape in the more recent years, but ultimately it’s not really a model PD has adopted in a convincing manner.

I also don’t subscribe to your idea that social media and blog posts have altered on how short notice new stuff gets announced nowadays. This has always been something mostly dictated by overall product strategies, and this is still the case even though social media presents an increasing number of opportunities for PR and marketing. Besides, over the past few days there have been a handful of forum comments arguing that the GT community would be better off with PD’s internal roadmap made known to the public (assuming they have one). That’s because this is commonplace for software developers nowadays, so your argument that PD wouldn’t announce their long-term plans because the environment of 2022 has changed compared to 2013 doesn’t really add up. As mentioned, they announced their plans for GT7 content updates from day one, and they likely haven’t done so for features because none are planned, unlike GT6.

 

[alex511]

A song I wish was recycled as it was one of the very few good songs in GTS' race BGM. Would much rather take that song over Daiki Kasho.

Run boy run i formerly had know from vodafone advertisment.
But i have to say, everytime when this song was playing in game, i became a smile on my lips.
And i have to say, in GT7, i have not such songs which give me that feeling..
GT7 soundtrack looks for me, put inside 95% songs from GT5 and GT6 and than a less random tracks from Sony licensing, thats it..
There GT Sport soundtracks was much more individual.

 

[Nebuc72]

GT Sport had the best menu soundtrack out of any of the GT games imo - I was really sad to see songs such as Sympathique or the songs from Variety Lab not make a comeback, they were perfect background music for Scapes, or the museums etc.

 

[HarVee]

Run boy run i formerly had know from vodafone advertisment.
But i have to say, everytime when this song was playing in game, i became a smile on my lips.
And i have to say, in GT7, i have not such songs which give me that feeling..
GT7 soundtrack looks for me, put inside 95% songs from GT5 and GT6 and than a less random tracks from Sony licensing, thats it..
There GT Sport soundtracks was much more individual.

I think that's kind of why I like the GTS soundtrack as a whole more than GT7's. It not just had more variation, but has music that is appealing to the ears. Music in 7 is very generic, even the songs that were made for the game are generic. I mean a guy going "Vroom vroom vroom vroom vroom vroom" into a microphone isn't very appealing. It sounds like generic mumble rap. The type of stuff I hear being blasted from cars around here all the time as they drive by.

 

[alex511]

I think that's kind of why I like the GTS soundtrack as a whole more than GT7's. 7 is very generic, even the songs that were made for the game are generic. I mean a guy going "Vroom vroom vroom vroom vroom vroom" into a microphone isn't very appealing. It sounds like generic mumble rap. The type of stuff I hear being blasted from cars around here all the time as they drive by.

I like Horizon 5 Soundtrack more than GT7 one, and that means a lot, as Horizon Soundtracks often were a bit oversatured in my opinion.
It’s a blame, the GT Sport Songs from the Japanese guys weren’t taken over, I think that would have made simple in licensing..
No I often start GT Sport only, to hear the sounds..

 

[HarVee]

I like Horizon 5 Soundtrack more than GT7 one, and that means a lot, as Horizon Soundtracks often were a bit oversatured in my opinion.
It’s a blame, the GT Sport Songs from the Japanese guys weren’t taken over, I think that would have made simple in licensing..
No I often start GT Sport only, to hear the sounds..

I haven't played FH5, but according to online research they have Hospital Records tracks on there? That's appealing to me, takes me back to my clubbing days.

 

[alex511]

I haven't played FH5, but according to online research they have Hospital Records tracks on there? That's appealing to me, takes me back to my clubbing days.

Yes, and some songs give the feeling from racing games at the early 2000, like need for Speed.
Horizon 5 looks for me as a Hollywood movie of racing.
And GT7, as anything it wanted to be one, but didn’t get the love to be somewhat.
Like a part 2 from a movie, which got worse than the formerly one.

 

[Auditore]

I think that's kind of why I like the GTS soundtrack as a whole more than GT7's. It not just had more variation, but has music that is appealing to the ears. Music in 7 is very generic, even the songs that were made for the game are generic. I mean a guy going "Vroom vroom vroom vroom vroom vroom" into a microphone isn't very appealing. It sounds like generic mumble rap. The type of stuff I hear being blasted from cars around here as they drive by

Despite the memes Vroom isn't a bad song at all and it is not mumble rap.
"The type of stuff I hear being blasted from cars around here as they drive by",how is that a negative?

 

[HarVee]

Despite the memes Vroom isn't a bad song at all and it is not mumble rap.
"The type of stuff I hear being blasted from cars around here as they drive by",how is that a negative?

When it wakes you up at night because some ******* has to have their stereo up to (figurative) 11. There is no need for that.

When all I hear is the word "Vroom" being repeated and can't make out much else of the song besides Bugatti and Maserati, that to me is what I consider mumble rap. I mean if we gotta have rap music can we at least get some stuff that isn't boring, generic, and repetitive?

 

[Nathan88]

New highend DualSense Edge.

Edit: PS Blog Post

Introducing the DualSense Edge wireless controller, the ultra-customizable controller for PlayStation 5

First look at the DualSense Edge wireless controller with customizable controls, changeable stick caps, back buttons, and more.

blog.playstation.com

 

[NTGSruler]

Dualsense edge => looks very interesting.

 

[Auditore]

New highend DualSense Edge.

Not many official details yet.

Sony really is commited to not coloring the buttons huh?Missing the blue,red,green and pink

 

[Lux Klonoa]

When it wakes you up at night because some ******* has to have their stereo up to (figurative) 11. There is no need for that.

When all I hear is the word "Vroom" being repeated and can't make out much else of the song besides Bugatti and Maserati, that to me is what I consider mumble rap. I mean if we gotta have rap music can we at least get some stuff that isn't boring, generic, and repetitive?

Yeah, I brought this up earlier in this very thread. lol. The constant vroom vroom vroom is... It's just not a good chorus for rap in general.

 

[hyperspeed980]

I think that's kind of why I like the GTS soundtrack as a whole more than GT7's. It not just had more variation, but has music that is appealing to the ears. Music in 7 is very generic, even the songs that were made for the game are generic. I mean a guy going "Vroom vroom vroom vroom vroom vroom" into a microphone isn't very appealing. It sounds like generic mumble rap. The type of stuff I hear being blasted from cars around here all the time as they drive by.

While I'll agree that GTS's race soundtrack was generally better than GT7's, I'd do anything to not hear that song with the Aussie lady complaining about how she hates everyone and everything, ever again.

 

[Islaygaz]

So was waiting on a delivery tonight (really hate these 3hr windows the delivery companies give!) and decided to do a quick 5 lap custom race around Trial Mountain, and when it was done the most satisfying thing happened…

…a nice even Credits balance!!

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

I’m not sure why anyone is expecting major structural changes to GT7. It’s a highly rated title and selling very well.

I do expect significant content drops over multiple years. I wouldn’t be surprised to see paid DLC (ie Pikes Peak), some tie-in with the upcoming movie, a GT7 2.0 release, PSVR2 support, PC port. And eventually, added to the PS+ catalogue.

The only thing I’m unsure about is whether we’ll ever see a PS5 only edition of GT7 2.0. That would be a tough thing to message to mainstream consumers.


So your conclusion is GT7 is the worst racing game on the market. You sight Metacritic User scores as evidence for that. Metacritic has a paltry 10k user scores, the majority of which where added in a week long campaign against MTX and Russian trolls after the title was pulled from that market.

To put that into context, in a typical week, GT7 will sell 10k copies in the UK alone.

Just because a game sells a lot of copies doesn't make it good, NBA 2K also sells well every year, but hasn't been good in well over 5 years. Also I give way more than Macrotransactions as proof (although they are terrible and one of the main reasons for criticism), other main issues that are following the same trends as NBA 2K are more exploits with the physics, more online glitches, always online making the game almost unplayable during updates, lying about features the game has, and still quite a few more things I didn't mention in the video. There is enough to say for a part 2 video if people are not convinced yet.

 

[symaski62]

Kaz will be a keynote speaker at CEDEC 2022.



“In this session, we will explain how and background "Gran Turismo" was created, and the subsequent development.

While talking about the development, the company called Polyphony Digital, and the prospects for the future, we will reconsider where we were originally aiming for.”

CEDEC2022_【主催者挨拶】/【基調講演】「グランツーリスモ」の25年・その背景と哲学

CEDEC（Computer Entertainment Developers Conference）はゲームを中心とするコンピュータエンターテインメントの開発、ビジネス、関連する技術、機器の研究開発などに携わる人々の技術力向上と知識や情報の交流を促進するためのカンファレンスです。

cedec.cesa.or.jp

sorry

 

[AlexWilmot]

So was waiting on a delivery tonight (really hate these 3hr windows the delivery companies give!) and decided to do a quick 5 lap custom race around Trial Mountain, and when it was done the most satisfying thing happened…

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…a nice even Credits balance!!

For a moment o thought it was a glitch to earn 30mil 😂

 

[Galvston]

On the music subject, why there are different songs playing on the custom race pre race menu? Some bangers there, reminiscing me of GT3, GT4 days

 

[SnakeOfBacon]

Should get auto generated captions once the live feed ends.
Some interesting stuff in here, I saw snippets of their track scanning process, stuff about VGTs, namely a portion about the NIKE ONE 2022, as well as a part about GT Sophy.

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Hold the phone, the NIKE ONE 2022!? The car has actually been acknowledged!?!? I've waited a very long time for it to come back. The new renders from Phil Frank earlier this year were really cool, though I was worried PD had forgotten about it, relegated it to the weird bin like Toyota Pod Race.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Right. "A throw-away feature that only a handful of people will ever use properly...".

Pretty straightforward.

A handful doesn't mean none.

Except the Course Maker that you just said was a throw-away feature? At least get your argument straight.

It is and I still stand by that for the reasons I mentioned.

This is you trying to redefine the English language. That's not how it works.

Innovation has nothing to do with quality. It is a neutral term that merely indicates that something is new or different. New or different is often good, but not always.

If you want to admit that you were wrong and that instead of:

you meant to say "What can they do to innovate at this point that would be actually good?" then that's different.

But you don't get to pretend that everyone should have been able to know that's what you meant all along. Because that's not what you said. You can either admit that you didn't know or understand the correct meaning of "innovate" and you mis-spoke, or you can keep doubling down on this.

But as your original comment was replying to someone using "innovate" in the correct manner, you don't get to invalidate their statement by redefining words. Try again.

Alright, MY definition of innovation is different to the one in the dictionary. I am not invalidating anyone's opinion by suggesting that an innovation has to be good to be innovative. Remember what I said originally? "A throw-away feature that only a handful of people will ever use properly is not what I call innovation". In order for something to be truly innovative, it must catch on like a refrigerator or else it's just a failed invention. That's what I think. I understand that the dictionary definition doesn't mention anything about commercial success and I'm not saying it's wrong; I just have my own personal criteria.

 

[DefNotJake]

Update trailer likely tomorrow morning/ in a few hours right?

 

[danhighway]

Update trailer likely tomorrow morning/ in a few hours right?

Per the Dior news story, the update should be on the 25th. So maybe. You never know.

 

[05XR8]

It’s 14:08 Aussie time. It’ll probably drop while I’m asleep at 22:00.

 

[RobertHammer]

THE MINI CONCEPT ACEMAN

The MINI Concept Aceman is the first all-electric MINI crossover SAV and fuses exciting innovative ideas for urban mobility. Combining hallmark MINI style, clever functionality, driving excitement and all-electric efficiency.

www.mini.com

in GT7 when

 

[nickf1gr]

THE MINI CONCEPT ACEMAN

The MINI Concept Aceman is the first all-electric MINI crossover SAV and fuses exciting innovative ideas for urban mobility. Combining hallmark MINI style, clever functionality, driving excitement and all-electric efficiency.

www.mini.com

in GT7 when

There so many intresting MINI's to add but no one more concept.
Mini Cooper S Works
Mini Cooper Countryman S
Mini Cooper Coupe Nur 24hrs 2011
Mini John Cooper Works WRC

 

[Imari]

Alright, MY definition of innovation is different to the one in the dictionary. I am not invalidating anyone's opinion by suggesting that an innovation has to be good to be innovative. Remember what I said originally? "A throw-away feature that only a handful of people will ever use properly is not what I call innovation". In order for something to be truly innovative, it must catch on like a refrigerator or else it's just a failed invention. That's what I think. I understand that the dictionary definition doesn't mention anything about commercial success and I'm not saying it's wrong; I just have my own personal criteria.

Right, and if you have your own personal criteria then you can't use that to argue against someone else using the standard definition of innovation.

And I do remember what you said originally, and it's oddly not what you just quoted. It's this.

Don't try and rewrite history to look like you were being honest and forthright all along, we can see the posts.

You're using functionally different meanings of "innovate", and you're the only one that knows it because everyone else just assumes in good faith that you mean what you say. You're deliberately obfuscating in order to try and win the argument, hoping that nobody challenges you on it.

Then when challenged, you spent multiple posts over two pages trying to assert your definition of "innovate" as correct before finally admitting that this is only your personal opinion and that actually "innovate" doesn't mean what you claim. Don't play like you meant this to be understood as just your opinion all along, you absolutely didn't and you've been backed into taking this position because it's the only thing available to you other than admitting you were wrong.

A handful doesn't mean none.

If you want to play silly word games then "that people won't use" doesn't mean all people, it just means some.

However, a reasonable person can read both your and my statements as referring to a feature with functionality that is of very limited use to the user base as a whole, and that would be a correct interpretation with no discrepancy.

It is and I still stand by that for the reasons I mentioned.

So you previously stated that Polyphony could please everyone in GT7 by adding a DEDICATED offline career and online modes plus a Livery Editor, Course Maker, Scapes and B-Spec. That seems like a reasonable opinion. Many would agree, and even those who wouldn't can probably see where you're coming from.

You're now maintaining that all those are not throw-away, except for the Course Maker which you have flip-flopped on and decided is throw away because in your opinion not enough people will use it based on no data whatsoever. In fact, despite the Course Maker in GT6 being visibly pretty popular on GTP at least. And mod maps being popular in games like Assetto Corsa and other PC sims. And Trackmania, a much smaller game than Gran Turismo, releasing a new community made Track of the Day every single day.

And definitely nothing to do with it undermining your position that there's nothing left for Polyphony to innovate on. Which is still daft even after your revisionism. The idea that there's nothing new and good that Polyphony could add to Gran Turismo is just as laughable as the idea that there's nothing new to add at all.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Right, and if you have your own personal criteria then you can't use that to argue against someone else using the standard definition of innovation.

I guess not, but it was worth a shot.

And I do remember what you said originally, and it's oddly not what you just quoted. It's this.
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Don't try and rewrite history to look like you were being honest and forthright all along, we can see the posts.

You're using functionally different meanings of "innovate", and you're the only one that knows it because everyone else just assumes in good faith that you mean what you say. You're deliberately obfuscating in order to try and win the argument, hoping that nobody challenges you on it.

That wasn't my thought process but anyway

Then when challenged, you spent multiple posts over two pages trying to assert your definition of "innovate" as correct before finally admitting that this is only your personal opinion and that actually "innovate" doesn't mean what you claim. Don't play like you meant this to be understood as just your opinion all along, you absolutely didn't and you've been backed into taking this position because it's the only thing available to you other than admitting you were wrong.

I thought I made it clear that it was only my definition, not the dictionary's.

You're now maintaining that all those are not throw-away, except for the Course Maker which you have flip-flopped on and decided is throw away because in your opinion not enough people will use it based on no data whatsoever. In fact, despite the Course Maker in GT6 being visibly pretty popular on GTP at least. And mod maps being popular in games like Assetto Corsa and other PC sims. And Trackmania, a much smaller game than Gran Turismo, releasing a new community made Track of the Day every single day.

I do find it funny that one sentence completely fries your brain and that you freak out when I try to explain myself. You asked for my opinion and I tried backing it up, only for you to then accuse me of being a hypocrite because of something I said 4 years ago.

And definitely nothing to do with it undermining your position that there's nothing left for Polyphony to innovate on. Which is still daft even after your revisionism. The idea that there's nothing new and good that Polyphony could add to Gran Turismo is just as laughable as the idea that there's nothing new to add at all.

Yes! That's why I asked the question in the first place! Because I don't think you can add anything new, innovative and good!

 

[Samus]

You really don't think there is anything left to innovate in a racing game?

What about building your own car from scratch?
What about a live instructor training system which teaches you how to race in real time, with real time, detailed feedback?
What about an open-world real time generation system that lets you drive on any real road/track in the world?

OK that last one might be a fair few years off in technology, but there is still plenty of room to innovate.

Plus, not everything new has to be innovative. Just new and/or an improvement to Gran Turismo. Take B-Spec. In it's previous guises, it was pretty basic. You entered races, and gave a few basic commands to your driver. That was it. So what if PD instead massively expand it? Hire and manage personnel for your race team, hire drivers who go out and race in events and earn you money without you doing anything. Bring in sponsorship, hire the right drivers, mechanics, designers to keep your team running. Get results or risk running out of money and your team folding.

None of that is innovative, there are already racing management games out there, including F1 Manager in a couple of days. But you can't deny that would be a new thing for Gran Turismo, and a improvement on the old basic B-Spec.