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The PD update program is extremely frustrating and discouraging. This unorthodox, useless three car methodology and randomness about including new circuits is terrible.

In my opinion, it would be much more productive to update the game every two or three months, however, with significant changes, including proposing a theme in each update.

For example, PD could release a Ferrari-themed update in September. The title of the update could be something like "A world of Ferrari". And the update would include:

Circuits:
  • Mugello
  • Imola
  • Yas Marina
  • Autumn Ring
Cars:
  • Ferrari 488 GT3 Evo '20 (Gr.3)
  • Ferrari F50 GTR '96 (Gr.2)
  • Ferrari F40 GTE '95 (Gr.3)
  • Ferrari 512 S '70 (Gr.X)
  • Lancia-Ferrari Group C '91 (Gr.1)
  • Ferrari 575 GTC (Gr.3)
  • Ferrari F1/88c '88
  • Ferrari 488 Pista '18
  • Ferrari F12df '15
  • Ferrari 430 Scuderia '09

So, a few months later, at the end of the year, he would launch a BMW package:

Circuits:
  • EuroSpeedway Lausitz
  • Hockenheimring
  • Sachsenring
  • Apricot Hill
Cars:
  • BMW M8 GTE '18 (Gr.3)
  • BMW M4 GT3 '20 (Gr.3)
  • BMW M1 Procar E26 Group 5 '80 (Gr.4)
  • BMW M3 E36 DTM '94 (Gr.4)
  • BMW M3 E46 GTR ALMS '01 (Gr.3)
  • BMW March 86G Group C '86 (Gr.1)
  • BMW M3 E46 GTR Road Car '01
  • BMW HyperCar LDMh Hybrid V8 '22 (Gr.1)
  • BMW i8 Hybrid '20
  • BMW M4 G82 '21
It would require a bit of work from the PD. New staff would have to be hired, especially a support base in Europe. However, I'm sure it would leave the community on fire with excitement and anticipation for the new package. And the GT franchise would be on another level, and not in this sub-death state.
 
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I just experienced third dry and 2 thirds wet nordschleife lap and it was glorious. Started the time trial ever so slight spit of rain but completely dry track about 2 minutes in the track nicely wet on 1 bar on wetness level. It stays that way all the way up til the Döttinger Höhe where it’s nicely wet all the way up til the bilstein billboard where the track is nice and dry. I was on racing softs when I intially entered the wet the grip was okay but after about 30 secs it felt like the heat had disappeared from the tyres and the front end want to go and under steer in the corners. I was in the Alfa 155 DTM this was a fun experience.
 
BrunusCL82
The PD update program is extremely frustrating and discouraging. This unorthodox, useless three-car methodology and randomness about including new circuits is terrible.

In my opinion, it would be much more productive to update the game every two or three months, however, with significant changes, including proposing a theme in each update.

For example, PD could release a Ferrari-themed update in September. The title of the update could be something like "A world of Ferrari". And the update would include:

Circuits:

  • Mugello
  • Imola
  • Yas Marina
  • Autumn Ring


Cars:

  • Ferrari 488 GT3 Evo '20 (Gr.3)
  • Ferrari F50 GTR '96 (Gr.2)
  • Ferrari F40 GTE '95 (Gr.3)
  • Ferrari 512 S '70 (Gr.X)
  • Lancia-Ferrari Group C '91 (Gr.1)
  • Ferrari 575 GTC (Gr.3)
  • Ferrari F1/88c '88
  • Ferrari 488 Pista '18
  • Ferrari F12df '15
  • Ferrari 430 Scuderia '09

So, a few months later, at the end of the year, he would launch a BMW package:

Circuits:

  • EuroSpeedway Lausitz
  • Hockenheimring
  • Sachsenring
  • Apricot Hill

Cars:

  • BMW M8 GTE '18 (Gr.3)
  • BMW M4 GT3 '20 (Gr.3)
  • BMW M1 Procar E26 Group 5 '80 (Gr.4)
  • BMW M3 E36 DTM '94 (Gr.4)
  • BMW M3 E46 GTR ALMS '01 (Gr.3)
  • BMW March 86G Group C '86 (Gr.1)
  • BMW M3 E46 GTR Road Car '01
  • BMW HyperCar LDMh Hybrid V8 '22 (Gr.1)
  • BMW i8 Hybrid '20
  • BMW M4 G82 '21

It would require a bit of work from the PD. New staff would have to be hired, especially a support base in Europe. However, I'm sure it would leave the community on fire with excitement and anticipation for the new package. And the GT franchise would be on another level, and not in this sub-death state.
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What's the advantage of themed packages and bigger gaps between content updates? I only see disadvantages. Themed packs like this, especially once in a few months, means someone who is not interested in upcoming topic will have to wait for like half a year until next possibly interesting update. This is actually already somewhat of an issue in game, for example I'm currently being lazy at completing AMG menu book because I'm not interested in Mercedes cars and don't really have much motivation to win those. People who already play the game only after an update will now open it once in 3 months instead of once in 1 month. And if you think game is in a sub-death state now, it will be dead even more with rare updates like that. It only looks cool on the paper, but in reality that won't work at all. And 4 circuits in one update? Even with GT Sport updates schedule that would be 8 months between each update. And, well, yeah, if PD will suddenly hire 1000 people and start to add a circuit or two and 10 cars each update, it would be cool, but that doesn't have anything to do with themed updates.
 
Another point to consider is crossgen. In fact, cross-generation, in my view, compromised the long life of the GT7, leaving PS4 specs as development constraint. It will be very difficult for PD to abandon support for GT7-PS4 for commercial reasons to dedicate itself to GT7-PS5.

It's likely that in 2023 and 2024, when Forza 8 and Assetto Corsa 2 are hitting the market, GT7's aesthetic is visually dated.

So, coupled with the hardware limitations, along with the poor updates, I can't see a tipping point for GT7 to change. F8 and AC2 are two benchmark games that will come very strong, as games built on this generation's hardware. Not to mention the show of track and car content that both games tend to offer, especially AC regarding real circuits.

I suspect that GT7 is already the Prologue of GT8, which could be released in 2024 or 2025, with all the glory of the PS5 hardware. The entropy effect on the number of users is accelerated. Five months later, GT7 already has a low number of online users. This is not normal. And with this update program, there is no hope of GT7 gaining any survival.

Crossing generations gave birth to a stillborn GT7.
 
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BrunusCL82
Another point to consider is crossgen. In fact, cross-generation, in my view, compromised the long life of the GT7, leaving PS4 specs as development constraint. It will be very difficult for PD to abandon support for GT7-PS4 for commercial reasons to dedicate itself to GT7-PS5.

It's likely that in 2023 and 2024, when Forza 8 and Assetto Corsa 2 are hitting the market, GT7's aesthetic is visually dated.

So, coupled with the hardware limitations, along with the poor updates, I can't see a tipping point for GT7 to change. F8 and AC2 are two benchmark games that will come very strong, as games built on this generation's hardware. Not to mention the show of track and car content that both games tend to offer, especially AC regarding real circuits.

I suspect that GT7 is already the Prologue of GT8, which could be released in 2024 or 2025, with all the glory of the PS5 hardware. The entropy effect on the number of users is accelerated. Five months later, GT7 already has a low number of online users. This is not normal. And with this update program, there is no hope of GT7 gaining any survival.

Crossing generations gave birth to a stillborn GT7.
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wow you are so dramatic. Smoke sum weed, take a chill pill
 
BrunusCL82
Another point to consider is crossgen. In fact, cross-generation, in my view, compromised the long life of the GT7, leaving PS4 specs as development constraint. It will be very difficult for PD to abandon support for GT7-PS4 for commercial reasons to dedicate itself to GT7-PS5.
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If they hypothetically did a Rockstar and stopped supporting the older generation then I'd be done. If there was ever one thing that'd take the cake for me and make me never support PD again, it would be abandoning the PS4 version.
 
HarVee
If they hypothetically did a Rockstar and stopped supporting the older generation then I'd be done. If there was ever one thing that'd take the cake for me and make me never support PD again, it would be abandoning the PS4 version.
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They won't abandon GT7-PS4 for commercial reasons, because there is an installed base that needs to be respected. GT7 is a PS4 game posted for PS5.

I even wanted GT7 to receive full PD attention throughout the life of the PS5, with new content added. But, for market reasons, as mentioned pages ago, it is very likely that PD will soon launch the GT8 dedicated to PS5 hardware. Understanding "soon" as 2024 or 2025. That's my bet.

The GT franchise has always stood out as the graphical vanguard of racing games. I believe that maintaining the long life of GT7 will imply the loss of this reference in relation to Forza 8 and Asseto Corsa 2. And I believe that this "appeal" is important for Sony commercially.
 
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So they're going to stop support for GT7 in 2024 because graphics aren't good enough. That has the be the most stupid reasoning I've heard. I can understand them stopping support due to the game no longer be financially viable, but because of graphics? C'mon.
 
HarVee
So they're going to stop support for GT7 in 2024 because graphics aren't good enough. That has the be the most stupid reasoning I've heard. I can understand them stopping support due to the game no longer be financially viable, but because of graphics? C'mon.
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🤦‍♂️ 🤡

The graphics of GT7 in relation to competing games that will be released next year, the poor hardware of the PS4, the current situation of a low number of users of the game, the poor, slow and disorganized update program, all these and other things are forming a current state of affairs. A current state of affairs that foreshadows a questionable and hopeless future.

If you don't understand that, I won't draw it for you.

Have a good time.
 
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BrunusCL82
They won't abandon GT7-PS4 for commercial reasons, because there is an installed base that needs to be respected. GT7 is a PS4 game posted for PS5.

I even wanted GT7 to receive full PD attention throughout the life of the PS5, with new content added. But, for market reasons, as mentioned pages ago, it is very likely that PD will soon launch the GT8 dedicated to PS5 hardware. Understanding "soon" as 2024 or 2025. That's my bet.

The GT franchise has always stood out as the graphical vanguard of racing games. I believe that maintaining the long life of GT7 will imply the loss of this reference in relation to Forza 8 and Asseto Corsa 2. And I believe that this "appeal" is important for Sony commercially.
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Your explanation makes sense... But...

Do not forget that PS4 users now if they have the chance (hopefully somewhere soon) to buy a PS5 they can upgrade the game to PS5 graphics if they wanted. So technically it's not that hard for PD to keep updating the PS4 version of GT7. I rather think that they will release a full PS5 GT7 game instead of GT8 in 2024-25. Some sort of GOTY edition with ALL the added content until then.

As for the monthly updates thingy were people keep trying to come up with a roadmap that PD should follow: Do people really think that PD are every month actively working on new events and content?? They already have it all lined up and ready to go, at least that's what i belief.
I'm still suprised that in the April update (after the backlash were they lowered the payouts), we got 8 new Endurance missions and a bunch of new events, and if i remember correctly the Spa 1 hour race was also a part of this update. We even got a significant credit raise for the circuit experience. (what was very nice by the way). Now this last update we got 4 (or 5 whatever) new layouts for the Barcelona circuit, but no new circuit experience.
PD are purposely drip feeding us lazy content, holding out on new proper events with decent payouts, just to keep the MTX thing as long as possible alive. On top of that, people are returning monthly for the new update, were PD in return can keep their shareholders happy by proofing how 'active' the playerbase is.

I'm thoroughly enjoying this game, especially enjoyed the circuit experience which sadly i finished about 2 days ago and reached 100% for it. The biggest lack of this game is just events and they are refusing to give us this. When i bought GT7 with the promise from PD for going back in the past (GT4), i expected a bunch of events that you unlocked playing the career. They didn't deliver and for some reason they keep continuing pushing players away from their game with their lousy monthly updates.

The only thing they do is tweaking stuff, fixing bugs (and reintroducing new ones) and now they gave us a somewhat damage model and tweaked tire wear. Don't get my wrong, this is actually good, but in my humble opinion, these are things you add once the game has loads of content and you want to improve your game gameplay wise.
 
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I've got a hundred things to deal with today and this isn't one of them.
 
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BrunusCL82
Don't be jealous as a pre-teen because I gave your pet game a bad review. Control yourself.
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What you are saying is obvious. But Sony decided a cross-get game was better for sales. GT8 will come when it's time though, I agree with your opinion but it's not the end of the world, GT and PD will be fine

Also, I don't believe the new Forza will look that much better yet. If they actually extract more from the new gen consoles it will, but from the preview, it seems like the added vegetation (3d) can make for other annoying problems like extensive pop-in. I hope they fix it until 2023.
 
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BigSarj
If GT8 were to come out, what would differentiate it from GT7? Besides better graphics. Honest question.

Where would all the new cars and tracks come from?
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In graphics terms, the game would be significantly superior. Believe it! The PS5 is far superior to the PS4. And a GT game dedicated to PS5 could bring some impressive things. The commercial/visual appeal will be tremendous.

I also believe the backlash against the poor single player mode and lobby will have an effect. Both modes can be reworked. In particular, the Lobby could be better worked on by dedicating itself to much more advantageous hardware (PS5).

As for adding content, I would bet that PD is withholding content for GT7. Why?

Note that, within the launch window between GT6 and GT Sport, PD managed to produce a large number of racing cars (Gr.3, Gr.4, Gr.1, Gr.B and VGTs) and a good number of circuits new. However, in the window between GT Sport and GT7 the production of PD was very timid, comparing with the window GT6-GTS, few new cars and circuits.

Illustrating. I would say the GT7 is the BF2042 of racing games. PD-EA will work as little as possible on GT7-BF2042, but it's likely that most employees are already working on GT8-BF6.
 
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BigSarj
If GT8 were to come out, what would differentiate it from GT7? Besides better graphics. Honest question.

Where would all the new cars and tracks come from?
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It would be PS5 only, so would allow larger fields of cars and more complex AI behaviour. This would allow significant potential for the game, if PD would not make the same mistakes as with GT7.
 
Boxster
It would be PS5 only, so would allow larger fields of cars and more complex AI behaviour. This would allow significant potential for the game, if PD would not make the same mistakes as with GT7.
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I can predict the marketing now. "All the things promised or expected to be in GT7 is finally here in GT8."

I already said here a few months ago that I expected something like this, a GT8, coming soon, but I do have my doubts, too. If you think the studio has a lot more effort going into the next game than the current one, I hope you're right.
 
BigSarj
If GT8 were to come out, what would differentiate it from GT7? Besides better graphics. Honest question.

Where would all the new cars and tracks come from?
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This could almost be a thread in itself...

But while I'm here, the way that the single player career presents itself will be different, they would drop the café but not necessarily the personalities part.

Their main parts would be a GT7 based game (graphics, physics, sound) with a lot of focus on single player events, lobbies that can handle more users at once and the usual sport mode with various daily races, time trials, championships but they will add one more part to this area which I'm not sure of.

The game will have it's own issues that people will inevitably complain about such as how the new higher player count in lobbies is lagging due to the person with the weakest connection yet it's still pd's fault, more complaints from features that isn't in the game that people want added, followed by new exploits that will give people some good or easier gains before being patched out on the monthly patch. (I'd like to add the complaint won't be on selling cars as that will be in one of the major yearly patches that GT7 will get). The category of race cars might end up being more modern real race cars rather than generic race cars.

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Looking at how GT7 is now, they are releasing only a small amount of content per patch, which means that they are either working towards GT8 or they will have (as mentioned) a larger patch on the game's yearly anniversary from the release date.

If they release a large patch at the 1 year mark, they are working on this game. If there is no change to the 3 cars and maybe some other bits and fixes, then they could very well be working towards GT8. Or I could be wrong altogether! Only PD know what's going on and nothing will change quickly even with the constant complaints on forums.
 
BigSarj
I can predict the marketing now. "All the things promised or expected to be in GT7 is finally here in GT8."

I already said here a few months ago that I expected something like this, a GT8, coming soon, but I do have my doubts, too. If you think the studio has a lot more effort going into the next game than the current one, I hope you're right.
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I don't expect GT8 within 3 years. PD simply isn't that nimble.
 
Boxster
I don't expect GT8 within 3 years. PD simply isn't that nimble.
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Exactly. I don't believe we have any indication to suggest they could make a new game in such little time. It's wishful thinking that GT7 is just a stop gap. But who really knows? Though I'll be more optimistic if I ever hear that they're getting help from other studios.

I hope God of War Ragnarok is the last PS4/PS5 game.
 
Nebuc72
I think it is safe to say PD at this point have not done a good job with their approach to Race A - and their attempt to create a casual race that appeals to everybody has mostly failed, regulars have been turned away because it no longer counts to anything, and new/casual players seem to either avoid Sport Mode altogether (and thus do not see or care about race A, DR enabled or not) or, more likely, get bored as the race is the same thing for a week straight - something that is simply not interesting when it is a standard race.

Behold: My solution. First things first, return Race A to its standard form starting from next week. That's an easy one. Crossgen in dailies would also be nice, I feel like it is time for that for the sake of the bleeding player base.

Now, the meaty stuff. Illustrated by yours truly.
There's another dock in the bottom left of the world map that isn't used for anything. The other one is used for lobbies, so in my opinion - the following only makes sense.

I propose it is turned into a "Quick Race" option that pops every 10 minutes on a random track/car combination. This can range from tuning races, to BoP, to one-makes - the standard things you would see in Sport Mode, but displayed in a separate location as to not deter people from it, and have it marked up so people know exactly what they are getting into.

Have the timer displayed below the icon, so people know when the races are, and then have the category displayed beneath that so people can decide whether or not it's something that interests them - as to prevent people queuing up, getting a SF19 car, and dipping.

This of course also needs to be crossgen - it is pretty inexcusable to have a half segmented playerbase for no real reason - stability in GTWS events seems much better to me so if they are afraid of using it in dailies still, this is a perfect testbed!
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I think at some point PD will add a new location on the GT7 map.

I believe it will be the location of GT League. Championships that are included in the "Circuits" session will be transferred and distributed along with other classic Gt League events. That would be my bet.

But, your idea is very good.
 
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BrunusCL82
I think at some point PD will add a new location on the GT7 map.

I believe it will be the location of GT League. Championships that are included in the "Circuits" session will be transferred and distributed along with other classic Gt League events. That would be my bet.

But, your idea is very good.
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Mars?
 
Ah the PD magic touch of changing something that didn't need to be changed and making it worse.



First they neutered the force feedback, now they've gone and killed the visual feedback. Were people getting eye strain from the optional cockpit cam? Look at how the car responds going over the kerb at 1:33.
 
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Techlet
Ah the PD magic touch of changing something that didn't need to be changed and making it worse.



First they neutered the force feedback, now they've gone and killed the visual feedback. Were people getting eye strain from the optional cockpit cam? Look at how the car responds going over the kerb at 1:33.
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Probably not the feedback you want to hear, but if they nerfed wobble 2, I might give it another go. I wished GT7 allowed for scale able head movements like in ACC, but hopefully that will all be taken care of if we get PSVR2 with GT7
 
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Techlet
Ah the PD magic touch of changing something that didn't need to be changed and making it worse.



First they neutered the force feedback, now they've gone and killed the visual feedback. Were people getting eye strain from the optional cockpit cam? Look at how the car responds going over the kerb at 1:33.
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As I said in the other thread, they fixed it.

Now I enjoy driving from the cockpit. :)
 

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