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That's sad when even an EA owned company is making burns at GT.
Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.07 Now Available: Tire and Progression Bugs Addressed
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That's sad when even an EA owned company is making burns at GT.
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This, 100%. Hell, they could just check that each cars settings values fall within expected ranges when loading the lobby.No, it's not at all.
Many other sim racing titles on PC get around this quite easily, the server does a validation against the car file your loading and if your modified car doesn't match the 'standard' then you don't get into the server. It works well enough that multiple real world series that use PC titles for eSports utilise it.
It's a simple variation on the long used and perfectly valid Checksum process
This always-online requirement is only about locking people into PD's intended progression curve (which we now know to be god-awful) and MTX store.
Today's development is at least 100 time easier because you have so many info around. So many experience what works and what not. Sony can share info in between first-party studios. And still we got this. Forza is the same.I'm not sure I really understand what you're saying. You say that they're heroes (who are they anyway?) which is a positive, but then add what could be considered a bunch of negatives. Are you trying to say that old people are heroes? ...But for what exactly?
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Hearsay. It's disappointment I think. And this game deserves to be bombed the way Sony handles it.
Saying people are addicted, what childlike reasoning is this? Do you know anyone that bombed this game? Please do tell!!
Sadly your gut doesn't mean anything here and to call bombers a bunch of addicts is below all standards. But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself, why not right?
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Why don't they do it then? Also, how do you know checksum is easier? Wouldn't that just increase matchmaking time which is already pretty terrible?No, it's not at all.
Many other sim racing titles on PC get around this quite easily, the server does a validation against the car file your loading and if your modified car doesn't match the 'standard' then you don't get into the server. It works well enough that multiple real world series that use PC titles for eSports utilise it.
It's a simple variation on the long used and perfectly valid Checksum process
Also doesn't change the fact that this game isn't always online which was my main point. It's pretty useless offline even compared to gt sport which at least let you use all your cars but it still isn't always online.
For a real always online game, once the servers are shutdown for good, there will never be a good reason to install it ever again. Even If the servers are permanently shut down we will be able play gt sport and gt7 assuming our consoles still work. That's a huge difference.
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Not sure I can agree with that. If anything game development is even harder nowadays due to massive corporations, like Sony, making restrictive deadlines to meet often causing studios to have to run in crunch mode. As well as the financial situation e.g games cost more now than they ever have.
It may be a bit easier to learn coding nowadays thanks to the internet, but there is so much more to game development than that. In fact there is so much to game development that I just can't cover it well enough in a singular post.
For the record I am a sound producer that has worked with 3 different indie studios thus far, which unfortunately all went bankrupt so their products will never seen a green light. (Go figure, right?) And there are many games out there that end up this way due to the two reasons above as well as because of bugs that ended up causing massive delays to the project which eventually led the the project cancellation and a whole assortment of other issues.
I am actually concerned for the future of GT7. This mess up, if we're to put it lightly, really opens the eyes a bit and makes one wonder, what aspect of game development has failed PD as well as the fans. We're told that it is a bug, but that's about as much info as we've gotten about it.
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Because the route they have taken allows title control of all aspects of the title.
You can't sell MTX if players have the ability to hack a save file.
Because it's an industry standard that takes fractions of a second to carry out.
Nope not at all.
Oh come on. Over 95% of the title is locked away, you are literally limited to 3% of the car count in arcade races and you can't progress at all. GT7 is, for all intents and purposes an always online title.
Racenet issues don't stop you playing the single player, and the number of sales don't determine the quality of a title. They 100% should do it, as right now a more casual gamer looking for a racing title (who doesn't care if it's a sim or not) may well see that and vote with their wallet.
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Oh thanks for that! I completely forgot Kaz had a twitter account for a second lol Glad to know PD is safe at least but that makes this long downtime even more worrying 😬
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I don't even play the game that much because well life, but I find it really frustrating that they haven't said a word about the situation. If they are overhauling the game or doing some massive patch update or something...just say something, anything to manage people's expectations but nope, they are completely quiet about the whole thing. Loyal fans know that 🤬 happens and people will understand but when they don't say anything, that's just really terrible service. I'm not going to stop playing gt7 or even try to get a refund because in the time that I've played the game, I thoroughly enjoyed so I hope that when this is finally resolved, I hope they'll at least compensate everyone. A maxed out bank account in the game would be a good start 😒
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Three changes to fix the GT7 experience and make everyone happy:
- Multiply all the payouts by 10. Yes, 10×. Nobody should be forced to repeat the same track over and over again, it's bad game design. People should make fast money in whatever way they want, playing online, making custom races, playing Sport Mode etc.
- All roulette prizes should have an equal chance of winning (without exchanging for worse prizes because of that).
- Make most of the game available offline.
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i'm not talking about preordering here. the review embargo was lifted a day before release iirc, and most outlets gave very high scores omitting the unfinished campaign or general criticism the users have had (even before the last patch).
so you have information from the company selling the product (ofc at least rosetinted) but also from supposedly objective media outlets and in your opinion it is still on the buyer? fair enough.
but then there is not much more the consumer can do but wait at least several days after release and hear from other (hopefully objective) endusers or be a guinea pig themselves.
regarding metacritic, yes, it would be better, but in the absence of said metacritic feature i see the 6.3 being closer to reality than the 9s and 10s or 0s and 1s.
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It's their problem. If you want to develop properly, you need exact methods. Crunch is not one of it. Today's strategies are built for lack of intelligence. They try it the hard way. Development 20 years ago had to be the smart way.
Games cost more? What about audience? Game industry is huge now. More people means more money. What about DLCs? What about recycling stuff? Everything is much easier now. PS1 to PS3 were nightmare to develop for, everything custom. It's not true anymore, normal PCs everywhere. SDKs for everything.
It's not about internet only, you have schools for everything, you have courses for everything and mostly industry has experience for many stuff. No reinventing wheel every day.
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It's not a Japanese culture thing. There's plenty of Japanese devs out there who have no problem communicating with their players, be it good news or bad.
It's just a Polyphony thing.
The whole point of a game is how it makes you feel subjectively. Objective quality doesn't matter if you're not having fun. Why would any competent developer not take how their game makes the players feel seriously?
You seem to think that criticism can only be objective. That is incorrect. People should not confuse objective and subjective criticism, but subjective critique can be just as valuable if not more so. "Is this game fun?" is the most important question to answer, and it cannot be answered objectively.
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The review bomb story is now on Eurogamer as well.
www.eurogamer.net
Gran Turismo 7 review bombed as extended maintenance drags on
Gran Turismo 7 went dark yesterday as servers went offline for scheduled maintenance that was then extended until furth…
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It takes more than milliseconds to upload a save file and check it even on a good connection let alone on slow connections.
Then how does forza sell micro transactions? Or any of the other games without online saves that have them? Online saves are not needed to sell micro transactions.
Always : at all times, on all occasions
That's the definition from Google. I agree it's mostly useless offline but it is factually not always online and I don't understand why people have to give it a factually false label like that. It's not in the same category as actual always online games not matter how limited and useless the offline portion is.
Plus it really isn't useless. In several years, I won't be the only one glad that it's playable offline. Far better than the game being entirely lost to time.
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