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If that’s a Scape, will we see time of day options?
I love that the livery has the “triangle”.
Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.44 Now Available, Adds Toyota GT-One, Lamborghini Urus, Audi R8
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I love that the livery has the “triangle”.
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Hoping for all of the new races to be endurance ones with payouts comparable to the current grind races. I know that's not happening though:/
It would be extremely funny if the first race with a decent payout they add in over a year is on a track that already has an existing grind race lol.
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I guess thats just the dirt you can put in photo mode
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Quality nostalgia cow milking if I've ever seen it
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Tell me you hate fun without telling me you hate fun. They're very nice looking shots of a dirty TS020. How can anyone not like that.
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I like it, as I said before.
I'm just very aware that it will be another car tossed into a jumbled mess of a class and never used for anything but its nostalgic image and grinding. It honestly ruins it for me
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I will use it in costum race, to race against cars that i want. I will make my own Le Mans race.
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And that's cool - I also do this.
But the point here is that all other racing games would allow you to select this car's class. In GT you have 1 option for its class, and if you want different paintjobs you have to buy 20 of them.
That's God knows how many millions of dollars and hours of grinding, + store wait time if you don't get them all before its gone
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The 787B won because the competition at Jaguar, Porsche, Mercedes didn't take them seriously. Mazda lobbied for additional concessions (which were already very generous) and no one objected. They stayed in the fight and benefited from others misfortune. The quickest Mazda qualified in 3.43 - pole in '90 was 3.27, in '91 (with 100kg ballast) it was 3.31.
Those cars do belong in Gr.2, just as older GT500 cars reside in Gr.3.
Those late '90's, early 00's cars qualified around the 3.30-3.35 (and slower!) mark - a significant gap to Hypercar & LMP1 models - which are nearer 3.20-3.25.
Group C is an outlier - they span a decade or more and significant rules changes.
Turbo Group C cars like the Nissan & Mercedes where all capable of dipping under 3.30 with qualifying boost. Without it they where nearer 3.35-3.40. The 3.5 cars where a different breed - closer on pace to current cars. But none of those are in GT7 yet - and you'd want to keep them alongside other Group C models.
To sum up - Group C should be separated - make it the historic Gr.1 class.
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At its core, Gr.1 however intentioned it might've been IS a massively mismatched mess of a class. At least GR.3 is clearly GT3/GTE featuring fictional cars that are roughly in that same performance ballpark (which has had a very impactful BOP change) and likewise GR.4 is GT4 mixed with abit of Cup cars (Audi TT, Renault Megane Trophy) and the occasional Touring car (Alfa 155) but its also been decently balanced. While GR.1 is effectively prototypes, the problem it has unlike Gr.3 and GR.4 is the insane (and frankly impossible to balance) advantages the cars tend to have (Advantages that none of the late 90s or 2000s Prototypes can make up). As mentioned, the Group C cars have their brutal top end (which at a place like Le Mans without its chicanes is hard to ignore). You have diesels and their torque, which is again noticeable at a specific rev range in addition ot being, you know, more modern. And then you have the Hybrids, who don't have as much power but have that system that allows them to punch right out of the corners and accelerate like mad (There's a reason why having the TS030 in GT6 on a standing start at Le Mans was basically a guaranteed win) and the car that is particularly notable in both GTS and GT7 is the Porsche 919, which has the added benefit of regenerating on the straights thanks to the wastegate being harvested in addition to brake regeneration. In what scenario do ANY of the GT1/LMGTP and WSC/LMP900 cars have a chance to win against them? On the straights, dead and buried once the Group C cars hit it (Same with the Diesels). In the Corners, not even a chance against the Hybrids and that adds up over a lap. And that's before tire wear and Fuel is factored in (because those races do happen as well) and welcome to the struggle bus because guess which two categories have an massive advantage that cannot be BOP'd? As far as I know, NO sim has ever added fuel flow restrictions so that's not even remotely an option.
Having never played Forza Motorsport 2, hard to forget what I never experienced in the first place (though from what I remember looking at the car list, it also doesn't feature diesels or Hybrid prototypes which is the issue I'm repeatedly bringing up). I also am of the impression those weren't all that accurate considering the time period but again I never played it. Also, the current Forza Motorsport is not even remotely a good example considering this is the same developer that in 2023, decided that a V8 Supercar somehow is ok to slot in with GTs.
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On that last part, they still do the class system far, far better than GT. GT7's "gr3" class has 80s silhouette cars, time attack cars, 20 years worth of various GT cars etc. It's a far more jumbled mess than anything in Forza, trust me.
On top of this, whereas GT has tons of outlier racecars that just aren't classed - like the GT40s, Honda RA etc, Forza makes sure to class cars like this, and make sure they have competition to race against.
GT7 is pretty much alone in its wierd class system choices. Forza looks like a well organized library in comparison
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you obviously didn't played the latest forza mate 🤣
only recent game like Project Cars 2 or maybe Asseto Corsa have proper classes
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I have it, and am directly quoting from its car list.
It is objectively better organized than GT. Literally 0 argument anything else
It also makes sure that you can plug and play any race class you feel, which is very important for a racing game
It's reminiscent of PC2
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Hm… the in-game notification says 4 new cars… probably a typo but still… a surprise mystery car would be cool…
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mixing V8 super cars with GT4 cars , special track only cars then ofc you got GT3 with GTE
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They've done it on the odd occasion, but I don't know why PD don't just filter which cars are available for official events. IE, only Group C, only LMP1H, only GT500. Even in Gr.3 it would be nice to have a race where only historic Super GT cars (Castrol Supra, Penzoil GT-R, Castrol NSX) where eligible, maybe throw in the F1 GTR as well, as it competed in period.
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GT does that AND mixes more in. That's the point.
Cars that are slapped into gr1 or gr3 in GT, have their own classes in FM.
It has its issues, but again it's leaps and bounds ahead of gt in that regard
Gt sorts it's racecars with 4 classes. FM has 35 classes iirc. It's legitimately not even a competition
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thats why subcategories would solve this , especially in gr.1
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And here in the Forza GT class, we have a Ferrari 488 Challenge car, a KTM X-Bow GT4, An Audi TT RS, a Lamborghini Essenza SCV12 AND 3 Supercars (This is even more questionable then I remember first seeing). And you're telling me that GT's GR.3 category that has 1 Super silhouette (in an otherwise GT heavy class from multiple eras and rulesets mixed with fictional cars that mostly fit) is somehow LESS organized then this?
My argument isn't who has a better system (because frankly it only takes looking at a game like Project CARS as flawed as it is to see the gaping holes in both), this guy continues to claim that the Toyota GT-One should somehow be in a class that is an absolute mess where it nor its contemporaries has NO chance against ANYTHING in it (Something that I'll give the current game credit for at least when it comes to prototypes because it actually matches Hybrids with Hybrids, Group C cars with Group C cars and LMP900s with LMP900s) and decides to base it purely on Forza, which hilariously enough after looking at it only further proves my point.
Hybrids with Hybrids
Group C and GTPs with one another
LMPs with LMPs
So if the current Forza (even with the odd grouping they did for GT) has the common sense NOT to match the Toyota with Hybrids and Group C cars, why on earth should PD put it in Gr.1?
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Sport mode is 20laps of Spa this week. At about 50 min its pretty dang nice.
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In addition, GT2:
The car in GT2 is also closer to the Fuji 1000km version, given the Esso logos on the rear wing, the Navisoft logo above the Japanese flag on the side portion engine cover, and the Zenrin logo on the rear portion of the engine cover (not visible on the GT2 picture), apart from the missing Zent logos. Compare:
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I'll preface this by once again reiterating that I have no history with GT, this is my first game in the series and I only bought it in April 2023. I'm a bit of an outsider in the sense of not being a "GT fan", just someone who has enjoyed this particular game over the last 11 months.
An observation from this perspective: these forums are bonkers at update time.
Every month is the same, we have "predictions" of new tracks, and people almost expecting some fundamental changes to the game, and then the inevitable fallout when none of this happens.
I can't understand where these expectations are coming from? With the exception of Spec 2, every update that I can remember since I started playing has been of a similar structure: a few cars, a few new events, and an extra menu or two. There was one that introduced engine swaps at collector level 50 but otherwise it has been pretty consistent as far as I can see.
I understand that not everyone is satisfied with the game but at this point, isn't it time to accept that GT7 is what it is? I think it's mad to expect anything fundamental to change or to continue expecting new tracks with each update, especially since the games still seems to be selling well. I hope we get another track or two but it doesn't seem very likely, all told. Isn't it more likely that updates continue with the same level of content that we've been seeing over the past 12 months? Doesn't it make more sense to simply make peace with this and stop torturing yourself?
Meh, maybe it's just me! Just wanted to say that I think you're all crazy.
An observation from this perspective: these forums are bonkers at update time.
Every month is the same, we have "predictions" of new tracks, and people almost expecting some fundamental changes to the game, and then the inevitable fallout when none of this happens.
I can't understand where these expectations are coming from? With the exception of Spec 2, every update that I can remember since I started playing has been of a similar structure: a few cars, a few new events, and an extra menu or two. There was one that introduced engine swaps at collector level 50 but otherwise it has been pretty consistent as far as I can see.
I understand that not everyone is satisfied with the game but at this point, isn't it time to accept that GT7 is what it is? I think it's mad to expect anything fundamental to change or to continue expecting new tracks with each update, especially since the games still seems to be selling well. I hope we get another track or two but it doesn't seem very likely, all told. Isn't it more likely that updates continue with the same level of content that we've been seeing over the past 12 months? Doesn't it make more sense to simply make peace with this and stop torturing yourself?
Meh, maybe it's just me! Just wanted to say that I think you're all crazy.
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GT7 NEEDS too step up their game, forza horizon 5s carlist is insane and growing every week, and cars that have never been in any other racing game, 2003 svt terminator, amg wagon, amg 500e and so on!!!!!!
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GT as a whole. Within FM's race classes, the GT class is an outlier.
PC2 is far better than both. No argument there. But PC2 isn't really relevant, sadly. That's not something I'm happy about, but it's reality. Our choices for "wide variety of race cars in a simcade" are FM and GT7, and FM's system is better and i wish GT7 would take cues from it. It's not perfect, but it's definitely better.
I don't think the GT One should be in GR1. I think it should be in a proper Class, with cars from its era that would generally be in competition with it. Forza does this, for rhe most part. GT is just kind of tossing it in there.
This leads to another issue, which is that GT7 has tons of racecars that are just leftout. They're tagged as racecars, but they have no class. I initially figured the GT One would become one of these. However the Honda RA is a great example. In GT, it stands alone. In FM? Take a look. It has its own class, "Formula 60s". Is this class perfect? . No. But, does it insure that the RA doesnt stand alone and actually has competition to race with, fairly? Yes. And that's a MAJOR part of racing and racing games.
If I want to race vintage formula cars, all I need to do is buy one of these, choose the class, and BAM I've got a field of 60s formula cars. GT lacks that for a HUGE chunk of its cars, classed or not - so many cars get jumbled up with others, that they don't really belong with.
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Yes, I understand what you're saying, but I play both games. Grand trisma seven and I play forza and I see it this way that the car list is still so much better than grand theorismo, and they look fantastic also, I wish gt7 would add some more unique vehicles, forza horizon is not perfect, and gt7 same boat!!
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