Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.44 Now Available, Adds Toyota GT-One, Lamborghini Urus, Audi R8

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The GT-One was not beaten by any car it race against on pure pace.
(EDIT: I see now that the OP has edited their original post, which had originally said that the GT-One had never been beaten "on pure race", to now saying "on pure pace." I can't argue with that point. I'll leave my original post in place for posterity.)

(EDIT EDIT: I now realize that I completely misread the OPs, post, and fully admit my own idiocy on this matter.)


Um, what?

In actual races (what else would you call "pure race"?) it won a grand total of zero races.

1998 LeMans - 9th overall, 8th in class / eliminated by crash / eliminated by breakdown
1999 LeMans - 2nd overall, 1st in class*1 / eliminated by crash (due to wheel well design) / eliminated by crash (due to wheel well design) so severe that it ended the driver's career.
1999 Fuji 1000km - 2nd overall, 1st in class

*1 - It was the only entry that finished.

Looks to me like it was beaten by a LOT of cars it raced against, has only a 42.9% race-finish rate, and also ended the career of a driver.


I will never understand why this car is so idolized.

Edit: Yay, 1,000th post!
 
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I will never understand why this car is so idolized.
To be fair, the 787B was beaten on pure pace. It just so happened the car outsmarted everyone through fuel efficiency and reliability.

However, did you forget it finished 2nd overall in 99? Meaning, it beat supposedly superior cars.
 
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Crestfallen we aren't getting a new track. I would honestly go 3 months without any additional cars in exchange for 1 Midfield Raceway.

I will never understand why this car is so idolized.

I mean...look at it. I'm not sure there has ever been a more exotic looking racecar and then the fact that there is a road going (well not really) version. Combine that with a great livery and its Gran Turismo 2 appearance and you've got yourself a Legend. Similar could be said about the 787B even if it achieved more success.
 
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As far as more substantial updates go - including new track layouts or venues - we still have the GTWS and Toyota GR Cup coming in mid-April, so I would not be surprised if maybe some more interesting stuff is being saved for later this year. If I don't see any rounds of a championship that are "TBA" this entire year, I'd be very surprised.

Not to mention we still don't have any actual HRE wheels despite their logo being a decal, and I'd say we're also due for another mission pack as well.

EDIT: I am, however, glad to see a Jaguar-themed Extra Menu. I wonder if we'll ever see a McLaren menu, too? That said, I don't see there being one that doesn't include the F1 in one of its three forms. I'm also looking forward to any future Bonus Menus, too, as I think there is still potential for new events.

EDIT2: Additionally, I wonder if the reason the weekly challenges were changed to refresh on Friday mornings is because the updates have almost always been on Thursday mornings? That way, new weekly challenges can integrate a newly-added race for almost every week until more races are added in the next update.

EDIT3: Then there was the concept of limited-time decals, which on one hand, I'm not a massive fan of, but on the other hand, I can see it making sense to have them be limited-time for the promotion of certain events. For example, if the 24 Hours of Le Mans has a special logo design specifically for this year's running, then I could see that being a limited-time decal, too.
 
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Yeah, but can it be comoared to a modern LMP1 in gr1? I dont think so, that's why i want to see ot on gr2, also because it's a realistic choice consoderimg the other cars in the category, btw it will be in gr2 if its available fo WTC900.
World Touring Car 900 allows any car within a maximum PP ceiling of 900. But oddly enough, the usual opponents are Gr. 2 cars. Given that the 1999 Toyota GT-One TS020 is rightfully and should be a Gr. 1, it could be detuned, but I don't know.

You have to consider that almost all Gr. 1's as of the current update don't even reach in excess of 900PP to begin with. But with at least a softer tire compound, some of them would already be illegal for WTC900.

As fast as that car was in 1999, that car would be destroyed by the monstrous torque of the Diesels, The sheer power of the Group C cars and the Hybrid systems of LMP1 and VGTs. Therefore, GR.2 is the ONLY good place for this car.
Absolutely not. The only perfect place for the 1999 GT-One is Gr. 1. If it were the 1998 model, then by all means, that belongs in Gr. 2, full stop.

Sure, the Group C's and IMSA GTP's have extreme straight-line speeds, but are hampered by their wonky clutches and somewhat heavier steering, hence their PP regions being in the lower end of the spectrum for Gr. 1, but I can see the GT-One being in a similar region as these cars, as the GT-One does have some formidable straight-line speed (352km/h during practice in 1999).

Saying that the 1999 GT-One belongs in Gr. 2 also means you're saying that other potentially similar cars such as the Audi R8 - LMP, Bentley Speed 8, Cadillac Northstar LMP-02, BMW V12 LMR, Ferrari F333 SP, Nissan R391 and Panoz LMP01 EVO belong in Gr. 2, and this would make that category such a mess.
 
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Um, what?

In actual races (what else would you call "pure race"?) it won a grand total of zero races.
I think what he was saying was the car just on speed alone was untouchable. Yes it absolutely lost every race it entered (including what should've been a slam dunk event at Fuji, only to have multiple Penalties and mistakes that handed the win to the otherwise unspectacular Nissan R391), but his point was just on sheer pace other cars had trouble matching it.

As for it being idolised, its the Gran Turismo effect: Where all the losers end up just as popular as the winners.
 
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Um, what?

In actual races (what else would you call "pure race"?) it won a grand total of zero races.

1998 LeMans - 9th overall, 8th in class / eliminated by crash / eliminated by breakdown
1999 LeMans - 2nd overall, 1st in class*1 / eliminated by crash (due to wheel well design) / eliminated by crash (due to wheel well design) so severe that it ended the driver's career.
1999 Fuji 1000km - 2nd overall, 1st in class

*1 - It was the only entry that finished.

Looks to me like it was beaten by a LOT of cars it raced against, has only a 42.9% race-finish rate, and also ended the career of a driver.

I will never understand why this car is so idolized.

Edit: Yay, 1,000th post!
I'll let you find your mistake yourself :lol:
 
Regarding the tracks situation, people have very short memories - does no-one remember the fact that almost all GTSport tracks were shown off in the World Series events BEFORE public release. How many World Series events took place in January, February, March 2024...?

Who know if we've got any more tracks coming , but I'd have been shocked to have seen any before World Series restarts next month... AFTER the World Series restarts, you might see a new track. I NEVER believed that we'd see one before then.

Mainly, I'm now waiting to find out the GT One price. I've less than 5m in credits and refuse to grind a tiny pool of races FOR ANY CAR IN ANY GAME (this applies to all games not just GT7 cough The Crew games cough). If I can earn enough via Weekly Races and new events added, fine. If not, I won't be buying it until July.
 
Regarding the tracks situation, people have very short memories - does no-one remember the fact that almost all GTSport tracks were shown off in the World Series events BEFORE public release.
Is this actually true? I remember that being the case for Spa, but almost all?
 
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Sure, the Group C's and IMSA GTP's have extreme straight-line speeds, but are hampered by their wonky clutches and somewhat heavier steering, hence their PP regions being in the lower end of the spectrum for Gr. 1, but I can see the GT-One being in a similar region as these cars, as the GT-One does have some formidable straight-line speed (352km/h during practice in 1999).

And yet here you are ignoring again the Hybrids and the diesels, one of which has rediculous acceleration out of the corners and the other has rediculous torque regardless of the power. And do I need to remind you how absolutely overpowered both of them were against current day LMP cars in their respective times? Does it even need to be argued what both will do to 1990's GT1/LMGTPs?
Saying that the 1999 GT-One belongs in Gr. 2 also means you're saying that other potentially similar cars such as the Audi R8 - LMP, Bentley Speed 8, Cadillac Northstar LMP-02, BMW V12 LMR, Ferrari F333 SP, Nissan R391 and Panoz LMP01 EVO belong in Gr. 2, and this would make that category such a mess.
So your solution to an already messy GR.1 category..is to liter it with an even bigger mess by putting in cars that again have no chance against cars with Brute power, Massive torque curves and Hybrid systems that leave everything (including Group C cars themselves) dead in the corners. Are you hearing yourself right now? This feels more like an emotional argument then a factual one.
 
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I also don't get why some people desperately want it in Gr.1...there are many, and I mean many, far better choices in the class.
I could agree that there are tons of other cars that I'd like to see added to Gr.1, namely various modern-day LMH/LMDh racers to start. Then there were a few classic prototypes, namely the BMW V12 LMR and Bentley Speed 8 that won Le Mans in their respective years, as well as the Audi R8 LMP that gave the road car its name. I'd also much prefer the Toyota TS010 over the return of the 88C-V. But I digress - the TS020 has stats that are much closer to other Gr.1 cars like the 2011-spec Audi R18 and the Toyota TS030. (All three even weigh exactly the same, at 900kgs/1984lbs.) If the TS020 was placed into Gr.2, then sure, it may be close in power to pretty much every other Gr.2 car beyond the 2008 GT500 trio, but its weight would make it over 200lbs lighter than any other car in that group. Not to mention that the '99 version of the TS020 competed in the LMGTP class, making it much better-suited for Gr.1 since that group emphasizes prototype racers. I'm sure we all know what the "P" stands for in LMGTP, no?
 
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Why can't GT7 get nice cars like forza horizon. I don't understand, they all ways get the nicest vehicles? I mean for example the 2003 svt terminator, 87 amg wagon, amg 2 door coupe, 92 amg sedan, and 100s of other cars, forza has all of them!!!!
 
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Still don't care for the Urus though, IMO unironically one of the worst cars of all time and i have many friends who agree with me on that. Just a redesigned Audi RSQ8/Cayenne but 10 times uglier.
I've seen the "worst car" comments about the Urus a couple times in here now, and wonder what metrics any of you are basing this opinion on.

Is it bad because it's based on the same chassis as two of the other fastest/best-handling SUVs ever made?

Is it bad because it goes 0-60 in 3.3 - 3.6 seconds?

Is it bad because, compared to other SUVs (and even some sedans) its fairly "light" at 4,800lbs?

Is it bad because it runs the 'Ring in the same company as a 997 GT3, AMG SLS AMG, Carrera GT, Camaro ZL1 and other fast iron?

Ooooor, is it just bad because everyone judges it by the influencers seen driving it in Beverly Hills rather that the actual facts about what it is?


Much like every single update, GT gives us some stuff (this time some pretty good stuff) and the goal-posts always move because people seemingly just need to complain about getting free content when it's not absolutely perfect. The Urus is going to be interesting, fun to drive and a unique experience when compared to many of the vehicles in game. Calling it "one of the worst cars in the world" when it is objectively an amazing vehicle is nonsense. It is met with much acclaim, excitement and disbelief by people that know what they're talking about because of how monstrously capable it is around a track.

If you don't like it, fine, but just admit that your opinion is based on the reputation of it's owners and social media exposure, and not because of what it actually is.
 
To be fair, the 787B was beaten on pure pace. It just so happened the car outsmarted everyone through fuel efficiency and reliability.

However, did you forget it finished 2nd overall in 99? Meaning, it beat supposedly superior cars.
Fuel efficiency and reliability are part of racing. The GT-One's failings in those areas cannot be ignored.

Yes, it beat some superior cars. But it failed to beat a lot more. The user I was responding to claimed that the car had never been beaten in actual races.
I mean...look at it. I'm not sure there has ever been a more exotic looking racecar and then the fact that there is a road going (well not really) version. Combine that with a great livery and its Gran Turismo 2 appearance and you've got yourself a Legend. Similar could be said about the 787B even if it achieved more success.
Meh, I guess I just don't see it, and I've been playing GT since the US release of the original. I never liked the car then back then, and I don't really care for it now. I also don't particular think its that good looking, but that's a subjective issue that I can't argue against those who like its appearance.

I think what he was saying was the car just on speed alone was untouchable. Yes it absolutely lost every race it entered (including what should've been a slam dunk event at Fuji, only to have multiple Penalties and mistakes that handed the win to the otherwise unspectacular Nissan R391), but his point was just on sheer pace other cars had trouble matching it.

As for it being idolised, its the Gran Turismo effect: Where all the losers end up just as popular as the winners.
Perhaps I misintrepreted it then, but how was I possibly to infer that meaning from what they said? (EDIT: I see now that the OP has edited their original post, which had originally said that the GT-One had never been beaten "on pure race", to now saying "on pure pace." I can't argue with that point.)

(EDIT EDIT: I see now that I misread the OP's post, and fully admit that I am the idiot here.)


Absolutely agreed on the second point haha.
I'll let you find your mistake yourself :lol:
Please, help me out. The user I was responding to claimed the car had never been beaten. I demonstrated that it had been beaten, quite frequently, and had never overall won a race.

(EDIT: Yeah I see what you're saying now. I'm an idiot.)
 
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I would say the reason PDI chose to place the TS020 '99 in Gr.2 is because culturally, in the world of the GT fanbase, the TS020 (Gt-One) is closely associated with rivals CLK LM '98, McLaren F1 GTR '97, Panoz Esperante GTR-1 and, mainly, Nissan R390 GT1 (not difficult to be added in the future)
While this does help, I do think the way Polyphony are dividing it is that all those cars you mention have road cars they're homologated from (even if the 1999 GT-One is further refined from that than the original), whereas everything in Gr.1 is a pure prototype (or a VGT).
 
Perhaps I misintrepreted it then, but how was I possibly to infer that meaning from what they said?

Absolutely agreed on the second point haha.

Please, help me out. The user I was responding to claimed the car had never been beaten. I demonstrated that it had been beaten, quite frequently, and had never overall won a race.
You completely misread what I wrote and even quoted it wrong. I literally said "On pure PACE alone", I literally made the exact same points you made in an earlier post as well. You somehow made that into "it could not be beaten in a race".
 
Um, what?

In actual races (what else would you call "pure race"?) it won a grand total of zero races.

1998 LeMans - 9th overall, 8th in class / eliminated by crash / eliminated by breakdown
1999 LeMans - 2nd overall, 1st in class*1 / eliminated by crash (due to wheel well design) / eliminated by crash (due to wheel well design) so severe that it ended the driver's career.
1999 Fuji 1000km - 2nd overall, 1st in class

*1 - It was the only entry that finished.

Looks to me like it was beaten by a LOT of cars it raced against, has only a 42.9% race-finish rate, and also ended the career of a driver.

I will never understand why this car is so idolized.

Edit: Yay, 1,000th post!
No one of the GT1 1997 or 1998 cars in GT7 won nothing.

The CLK LM never finished the 24h Le mans race, the F1 1997 GTR #42 never finished the race too. The only car what won was the 911 GT1 1998, but it's a really slow car in qualy and race against the CLK and the Gt One.

For example the Porsche WSC95 won 2 times and the Dauer 962 what won the 1994 edition are just a shadow in the history of LeMans, nobody cares if they won or not. History is more than that.
 
So your solution to an already messy GR.1 category..is to liter it with an even bigger mess by putting in cars that again have no chance against cars with Brute power, Massive torque curves and Hybrid systems that leave everything (including Group C cars themselves) dead in the corners. Are you hearing yourself right now? This feels more like an emotional argument then a factual one.
Gr. 1 doesn't look as messy to me. I mean, sure, it may feel that way because of the LMVGT's, but you're completely missing the point here.

Using another game series as an example, older Forza games had prototypes of the same ilk (LMGTP/LMP900) combined with Group C's. Are you forgetting the R1 category in Forza Motorsport 2?

Also, in FM8, the Toyota GT-One has a similar Performance Index rating to the Bentley Speed 8, being an actual Le Mans-winning LMGTP which was the only one to have truly defeated the Audi R8 - LMP during its heyday, and is also on par with the Cadillac V-Series.R, a literal Le Mans Hypercar/LMDh, in terms of that rating in the same game.

So this makes more sense to have the 1999 GT-One in Gr. 1 than in Gr. 2. In real life, even though it didn't win all of the races it entered, it was indeed fast as hell, being 6.75 seconds faster than the 1998 model and reached a top speed of 352km/h during practice. This will slaughter all the Gr. 2's quite easily.

If they were all in Gr. 2, it would be all the more concerning, as it was once intended as a category for "advanced GT racing cars" such as modern JGTC/Super GT500, DTM, Class One and LMGT1. But to put literal LMGTP's and LMP900s, which are prototypes, in Gr. 2, is okay for you?
 
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I also don't get why some people desperately want it in Gr.1...there are many, and I mean many, far better choices in the class.
Because on pace it was much closer to the Group C cars already in Gr. 1. It qualified with a 1:16.349 for Fuji in 1999, while the Porsche 962 qualified with a 1:18.210 on a very slightly different layout in 1988 and qualifying times were in the realm of 1:18-1:19 regulary in that era.
 
I really, really, really want that Le Mans race to be another good event, even if it's just another 30 minute race, but honestly I feel it's going to be another 5 lap race paying ~180k credits.
 
Why can't GT7 get nice cars like forza horizon. I don't understand, they all ways get the nicest vehicles? I mean for example the 2003 svt terminator, 87 amg wagon, amg 2 door coupe, 92 amg sedan, and 100s of other cars, forza has all of them!!!!
Because FH5 is a terrible game where the vehicles don't even matter? That games physics are so completely boring and wooden that whatever car you choose doesn't matter in the slightest. Any "new vehicles" they add are just more glitter on the compost pile.

I know I sound mad, and that's because I am so completely disappointed by the tragic downfall of FM/FH. Legendary racing game titles that are now reduced to an underwhelming afterthought.
 
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