Gran Turismo 7 Update 1.52 Discussion Thread

[TheAdmiester]

You have SS tires on a car with incredibly soft suspension, so the tires are digging in and over compressing the suspension. What is fundamentally broken is your understanding of how suspension works.

Swap the tires for the originals, and let me know if this still happens.

As we've been saying from the very start, it does still happen. Completely stock.

A simple weight transfer through a chicane simply does not do this to a car. Explain the previous clips of real cars aggressively taking corners at Goodwood and even hitting curbs with zero bounce.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Find me a car in real life that behaves like that because the tyres and suspension are too soft… you won’t.

Ask, and yee shall receive. You put SS tires (which in the game are labeled as Michelin Cup tires, which I have had, and they are SUPER sticky for street tires), and you put them on a car that is trying to emulate bias ply tires.

https://topgradetire.com/tires-for-old-cars-modern-tires/#:~:text=The%20problem%20isn't%20that,normally%20handle%20the%20extra%20stress.

As we've been saying from the very start, it does still happen. Completely stock.

A simple weight transfer through a chicane simply does not do this to a car. Explain the previous clips of real cars aggressively taking corners at Goodwood and even hitting curbs with zero bounce.

Again, SPORT HARD tires. Read the link above. Putting modern, soft tires on an old car is highly inadvisable. It can break your suspension IRL


So, y'all are not asking for something to be fixed. You've become accustomed to something that was incorrect and you want it returned to its incorrect state rather than adapting to the fix.

 

[newmedia_dev]

My posts or no less valuable than yours. If you want to talk forum value, Nenkai, his posts were forum value.

If he was posting leaks and data mining yeah great. As the fastest driver providing tips. Nah not so much.

See we look at this game differently, I mostly do online racing after the platinum trophy I prefer the actual competition of real racers.

 

[TheAdmiester]

Ask, and yee shall receive. You put SS tires (which in the game are labeled as Michelin Cup tires, which I have had, and they are SUPER sticky for street tires), and you put them on a car that is trying to emulate bias ply tires.

https://topgradetire.com/tires-for-old-cars-modern-tires/#:~:text=The%20problem%20isn't%20that,normally%20handle%20the%20extra%20stress.

Look at the post directly above yours

 

[AlexWilmot]

Ask, and yee shall receive. You put SS tires (which in the game are labeled as Michelin Cup tires, which I have had, and they are SUPER sticky for street tires), and you put them on a car that is trying to emulate bias ply tires.

https://topgradetire.com/tires-for-old-cars-modern-tires/#:~:text=The%20problem%20isn't%20that,normally%20handle%20the%20extra%20stress.

Sorry but where does it say the rear of the car is going to hop up into the air uncontrollably?

I reiterate my previous statement about your intelligence

 

[Johnny Caisse]

I apologize for my previous posts which weren't too nice to JDMKing13. I removed my ignore. Also, can we please move on to another subject?

 

[TheAdmiester]

Again, SPORT HARD tires. Read the link above. Putting modern, soft tires on an old car is highly inadvisable. It can break your suspension IRL


So, y'all are not asking for something to be fixed. You've become accustomed to something that was incorrect and you want it returned to its incorrect state rather than adapting to the fix.

?????

 

[JDMKING13]

I apologize for my previous posts which weren't too nice to JDMKing13. I removed my ignore. Also, can we please move on to another subject?

Trust me bud it’s all good. 👍

 

[Voodoovaj]

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As in the Comfort line of tires. Comfort Hard should be the correct tire.

Sorry but where does it say the rear of the car is going to hop up into the air uncontrollably?

I reiterate my previous statement about your intelligence

So, what you want, is for PD to emulate suspension collapse or wheel failure? If you want to be insulting, you should at the very least consider that you might be wrong.

 

[TheAdmiester]

As in the Comfort line of tires. Comfort Hard should be the correct tire.

The car comes with Sports Hard stock. You asked for the original tires to be put on, so I put on the original tires.

Once again, look at the footage of real cars going through these corners, hitting curbs, and coming out totally fine. Cars do not do this.

 

[AlexWilmot]

So, what you want, is for PD to emulate suspension collapse or wheel failure? If you want to be insulting, you should at the very least consider that you might be wrong.

I want cars to react like the they should on any tire.

Cars don’t behave like my videos regardless of how soft a tyre and suspension that’s being used.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I want cars to react like the they should on any tire.

Cars don’t behave like my videos regardless of how soft a tyre and suspension that’s being used.

Since you apparently did not read the link I posted, I will paste the passage for you.

The problem isn’t that the tires offer better grip, it’s the cars can’t handle it. All that extra grip puts stress on both classic cars’ suspension and chassis, something neither were built to handle. This can cause them to fail or break more readily since bias-ply tires would normally handle the extra stress. In fact, if you put a radial tire on an old car, the extra stress could cause the wheel to crack or fail completely.

That’s not to say there aren’t some workarounds if you want a smoother ride on a classic car. If you’re truly determined to put radial tires on a classic car you’ll need to swap out the old suspension for one that’s modern and able to handle the extra traction. You may lose a “classic” element from the car, but you’ll have a smoother and safer ride as a trade-off.

Did you catch that? So, as is the case in real life, you'll have to put new suspension on your car to use those tires. Because, again, as evidenced by what I shared, if you try that for real, you'll break the car. Since the suspension in the game does not break for simply driving, you get your bouncing.

So, as has been the case through this thread, the issue is USER ERROR

 

[TheAdmiester]

Since you apparently did not read the link I posted, I will paste the passage for you.

The problem isn’t that the tires offer better grip, it’s the cars can’t handle it. All that extra grip puts stress on both classic cars’ suspension and chassis, something neither were built to handle. This can cause them to fail or break more readily since bias-ply tires would normally handle the extra stress. In fact, if you put a radial tire on an old car, the extra stress could cause the wheel to crack or fail completely.

That’s not to say there aren’t some workarounds if you want a smoother ride on a classic car. If you’re truly determined to put radial tires on a classic car you’ll need to swap out the old suspension for one that’s modern and able to handle the extra traction. You may lose a “classic” element from the car, but you’ll have a smoother and safer ride as a trade-off.

Did you catch that? So, as is the case in real life, you'll have to put new suspension on your car to use those tires. Because, again, as evidenced by what I shared, if you try that for real, you'll break the car. Since the suspension in the game does not break for simply driving, you get your bouncing.

So, as has been the case through this thread, the issue is USER ERROR

Look at the videos of real cars not doing it.

 

[JDMKING13]

(I'm really enjoying this btw)

They want you to drive over the kind of curbing, at a speed, that would destroy the suspension IRL and they say that a little bouncing is unrealistic, despite proof from the real world that it is indeed realistic.

It's just different from before, when people could crash over the curbing to the extreme and have no ill effects. Now, that exploit is gone, and they are sad.

Kudos for testing the Mondial. I didn't have one to test, but I suspected it woudl behave as you have shown. Definitely perfectly drivable.

Yea man it’s not a big deal to me I have a lot of time in this game.. I’m in many different leagues in which we drive a lot of different cars.. while the game not perfect.. I like the fact you have to now be careful how drive the cars now… and it gives you an appreciation for the race car or tuned vs production cars. You get to see how special the new GT3 RS is because while it’s a production car it feels like a race car right out the box. I drove that Ferrari and if you respect it for what it is the car drives fine in my opinion.

@TheAdmiester Your saying that car in that video is the same stock spec as the one in GT7.. Do you know the setup please share?

 

[TheAdmiester]

@TheAdmiester Your saying that car in that video is the same stock spec as the one in GT7.. Do you know the setup please share?

The Mondial in the vid at the top of this page is completely stock, there's nothing to share.

 

[AlexWilmot]

Since you apparently did not read the link I posted, I will paste the passage for you.

The problem isn’t that the tires offer better grip, it’s the cars can’t handle it. All that extra grip puts stress on both classic cars’ suspension and chassis, something neither were built to handle. This can cause them to fail or break more readily since bias-ply tires would normally handle the extra stress. In fact, if you put a radial tire on an old car, the extra stress could cause the wheel to crack or fail completely.

That’s not to say there aren’t some workarounds if you want a smoother ride on a classic car. If you’re truly determined to put radial tires on a classic car you’ll need to swap out the old suspension for one that’s modern and able to handle the extra traction. You may lose a “classic” element from the car, but you’ll have a smoother and safer ride as a trade-off.

Did you catch that? So, as is the case in real life, you'll have to put new suspension on your car to use those tires. Because, again, as evidenced by what I shared, if you try that for real, you'll break the car. Since the suspension in the game does not break for simply driving, you get your bouncing.

So, as has been the case through this thread, the issue is USER ERROR

And none of that states a car will have its rear end launched a metre up in the air.

Cars in real life don’t do this either.

You’re really not grasping what the issue with the suspension is here, please step outside and touch grass.

 

[tiki187]

Find the curb...


Again the rear end is fundamentally broken

I tend to agree with you on this one, I also agree with the person who commented about the car's settings.

The rear end grip is too high in some instances. In this case, I feel the tires should have lost some grip allowing you to better control the car's rotation. You attempt to mitigate the understeer and bring the rear around, causing the car to hit the curb, and become unstable. The rear tires appear to reach some threshold where traction and traction loss converge, causing the rear to hop and skip.

That's what I see.

I love this game as much as the next person. But, something is wrong.

 

[JDMKING13]

The Mondial in the vid at the top of this page is completely stock, there's nothing to share.

You compared it to a real car that looked properly set up to the track did you not? In that video of the driver he is purposely stressing the car suspension out by acting as if the car is setup to take the turn so aggressive which is fine by all means. I understand his point… You feel as the car should come around the corner like a 911 GT3?

 

[Voodoovaj]

Look at the videos of real cars not doing it.

You won't find a "real video" of cars doing that because in real life, people don't do it. You don't put super sticky modern sport tires on a classic car without modifying the suspension.

I tend to agree with you on this one, I also agree with the person who commented about the car's settings.

The rear end grip is too high in some instances. In this case, I feel the tires should have lost some grip allowing you to better control the car's rotation.

Yes, because they are the WRONG TIRES for that suspension. You are seeing the issue 100% accurately.


Like, jeez, through some RS tires on it while you're at it.

 

[AlexWilmot]

You compared it to a real car that looked properly set up to the track did you not? In that video of the driver he is purposely stressing the car suspension out by acting as if the car is setup to take the turn so aggressive which is fine by all means. I understand his point… You feel as the car should come around the corner like a 911 GT3?

Shouldn’t this e type hop a metre in the air then? But it doesn’t… weird right


And just incase anyone wants to go on about tyres, these cars now race on cross ply tyres where the article mentioned by those in denial is a bias ply.
So old race car with modern tech in tyre ply so has more grip and doesn’t launch into the air.

 

[JDMKING13]

Shouldn’t this e type hop a metre in the air then? But it doesn’t… weird right


And just incase anyone wants to go on about tyres, these cars now race on cross ply tyres where the article mentioned by those in denial is a bias ply.
So old race car with modern tech in tyre ply so has more grip and doesn’t launch into the air.

That car suspension looks tuned compared the know the stock Ferrari you just posted. Do you know the E type set up? Please share.

 

[Johnny Caisse]

Just gonna say my experience here while minding my own business, Stock Suspensions feel weak on some cars, BUT, I have a tendency to often maximize or near-maximize the Natural Frequency and it feels... well, this is just me, but I feel like super stiff suspensions on the more normal cars are a lot more solid.

I could be wrong though.

 

[Nielsen]

Numerous video evidence has demonstrated the suspension bug in broad daylight. Yet there’s still a discussion fuelled by somebody’s absolute denial. Insane.

 

[lenny127]

I have said many many times in the last 3 posts that controllers are fast, world tour drivers use them and Tidgney does time trial golds with a controller.

I've used a controller for over 20/25 years.

At the first opportunity playing GT L and GTR on pc did I want a wheel yes.

So yes controllers are the bread and butter of the game, are they the most immersive? No because you combine physical control with the on screen experience. It's just a different way to play the game and I play it my way you play it your way.

What I took issue with was elitism, spending money on my hobby.

I'm literally done with this thread. Another update will come out and things will change again.

People feel inadequate and they project their feelings onto their perceived adversary, kid simply has a chip on his shoulder .... they need to leave the competition for the game, to each their own strategy. I enjoy this game to its fullest with pedals shifter wheel and psvr2 ... and I am sure plenty of kids will mop the floor with me and a controller, good for them. I have zero complaints about this game, for a car enthusiast that has been modifying cars since the 90s this to me is pure gold.

 

[JDMKING13]

Same car completely different results.. Yes after the updates a couple months ago the cars will punish you if you over drive them set them up wrong or any reckless activity… while it’s not perfect the cars such as the Ferrari in this video are not broken and can still be fun to use! I am sorry if you wanna drive a car from the 50’s in stock form as if they are 911gt3RS. Also the stock Tires PD uses in my opinion are way too grippy.. a car like this shouldn’t have anything than a CS in its stock form.


https://youtu.be/WOnMYhdsZH4?si=Ujp5HzpZsth4RmRB

 

[AlexWilmot]

Same car completely different results.. Yes after the updates a couple months ago the cars will punish you if you over drive them set them up wrong or any reckless activity… while it’s not perfect the cars such as the Ferrari in this video are not broken and can still be fun to use! I am sorry if you wanna drive a car from the 50’s in stock form as if they are 911gt3RS. Also the stock Tires PD uses in my opinion are way too grippy.. a car like this shouldn’t have anything than a CS in its stock form.

Why don’t you try the SS tyres like my videos instead of the excuse of bad driving

 

[Voodoovaj]

The Mondial in the vid at the top of this page is completely stock, there's nothing to share.

Then the bug you have uncovered is that it has SH tires, when it should have comfort tires like the other old cars.

Shouldn’t this e type hop a metre in the air then? But it doesn’t… weird right


And just incase anyone wants to go on about tyres, these cars now race on cross ply tyres where the article mentioned by those in denial is a bias ply.
So old race car with modern tech in tyre ply so has more grip and doesn’t launch into the air.

Again, you are proving the point. That Jag is absolutely not using modern performance tires, since none come in that size. Also, it's at Goodwood, suggesting it has a racing suspension. And yet, what is it doing? It's hoping around on it's suspension.


Like, I don't understand you people. You want the cars to behave realistically, and then when faced with one that behaves as such, you complain because you want to drive it unrealistically.

 

[TheAdmiester]

Then the bug you have uncovered is that it has SH tires, when it should have comfort tires like the other old cars.

Again, you are proving the point. That Jag is absolutely not using modern performance tires, since none come in that size. Also, it's at Goodwood, suggesting it has a racing suspension. And yet, what is it doing? It's hoping around on it's suspension.


Like, I don't understand you people. You want the cars to behave realistically, and then when faced with one that behaves as such, you complain because you want to drive it unrealistically.

So the game was just horrendously inaccurate before when it behaved fine on SH?

Why doesn't every softer 1950s/60s car do it then? Why does a modern Evo do it when on certain tires, when an equivalent Impreza doesn't, even on stickier tires? Why do they not do it in real life?

You claim we're complaining about realism yet real cars don't hop repeatedly unless they're literally dropped from the air. If you still can't grasp that then I give up, believe what you want.

 

[Voodoovaj]

So the game was just horrendously inaccurate before when it behaved fine on SH?

yes

Why doesn't every softer 1950s/60s car do it then? Why do they not do it in real life?

Did you try them all?

Also, yes, that does happen in real life. Did nobody read the link? It is HIGHLY inadvisable to put modern soft tires on an old car without modifying the suspension. That's why the classics at Goodwood are on period replicas, not modern tires

 

[TheAdmiester]

Did you try them all?

Also, yes, that does happen in real life. Did nobody read the link? It is HIGHLY inadvisable to put modern soft tires on an old car without modifying the suspension. That's why the classics at Goodwood are on period replicas, not modern tires

I actually did try every car from those decades, yes. I also tried with a lot of modern cars, including the Evos which in real life do not ever exhibit this behaviour even if they're on upgraded tires.

Take a 90s Evo out on racing hards to exaggerate the effect. Now get into a 90s Impreza and put it on racing softs. The tires are grossly inappropriate for both cars' stock suspension, yet the Impreza doesn't experience the bug. Were Subaru just that ahead of the game?