Gran Turismo 7's Microtransaction Pricing Revealed

[Johnnypenso]

Has anyone done any open lobby racing? What are the payouts like, if so?

 

[Samus]

not any different from the old gran turismo really

The old games did not require anything like the grinding in GT Sport.

 

[seowgila]

No ps5, no gt7. Job jobbed.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Steep prices will certainly attract bad press and make it all too easy for Microsoft to sweep in and say "hey, we're the good guys, no MTX in our game!"

In comparison to PD who have now put micro transactions in three straight games and show no signs of stopping or caring about optics?

No surprise you make it out as being somehow Microsoft's fault.

 

[Imari]

I'm split on MTs...

On the one hand, it allows casual gamers and people who can't devote enough time to the game to access content when they want it - but aside from that I'm disappointed at the prospect of MTs playing a more significant role in the GT franchise.

That said, it hasn't made much of a difference thus far, and it remains to be seen where the balance lies betweens MTs and the need to grind.

One of my biggest criticisms of GT is the inaccessibility of some prime content - it's such a shame that many of the most beautiful digital model cars go unused by so many players, even those who can dedicate 100+ hours to the game. MTs make such content more accessible, but at £60 for the base game and more expensive versions out there too, it's already quite an outlay - albeit for tonnes of amazing content.

But as long as the vast majority of content is accessible for a reasonable exchange of time/effort, then I'll probably be happy enough.

If accessibility for people who don't have as much time to play was a concern, then there are ways to accomplish that without introducing MTs. They exist because Polyphony sees it as an additional revenue stream, not because they're a positive for the player.

 

[Ande3200]

The old games did not require anything like the grinding in GT Sport.

Thats actully wrong, it might be a bigger grind now, but it was still a about grinding, if you are not into that gran turismo might not be for
you, in gt7 i have no issues getting money, not either when i played sport, i don’t like microtransactions, but as long as all cars is still accessable with grinding i have no problem with that, its just optional, its not like the lock anything behind it, some people don’t have time to play the game as much, so it can be option for them

 

[Samus]

it might be a bigger grind now

Which is what I said.

 

[zzz_pt]

I saw these money cards yesterday.

20€ for 2million credits in Germany. That’s 200€ for each 20million car.

I guess from now on reviewers of GT games need to tell us how long does it take to grind 20 million credits. That way we’ll know if we’ll have access to all the cars in the game within reasonable play time or not.

In GT Sport I got zero 20million cars (before LH paid DLC) with hundreds of hours of play time and tens of thousands of KMs driven.

I really hope I can get all the cars in GT7 without grinding for hundreds of hours, otherwise this will be my last one.

In other games I can get pretty much every item within a couple playthroughs or maximum 100h of play. It makes no sense for PD to lock content behind a stupidly high grind wall or worse an even stupider pay wall.

Also, shame on PD for not disclosing the MT and their prices to reviewers before release. I’m sure the metacritic would lower for the low 80s / hight 70s if reviewers knew about this and tested how much it takes to get 20million Cr.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Wowzers. I was thinking of buying the most expensive cars in GT7 just to save some time (maybe spend $100-ish maybe more?). But it'd be like $200 to buy a single 20mil car? Hard Pass on the 10x inflation.

GT Sport MT:
$5,000,000 - $10,000,000 = $9.99
$3,000,000 - $5,000,000 = $4.99
$800,000 - $3,000,000 = $2.99
$400,000 - $800,000 = $2.49
$100,000 - $350,000 = $1.99
$0 - 100,000 = $.99


Jerome

 

[Ande3200]

I don’t mind grind for 500-1000 hours to get all the cars

 

[Skinny McLean]

That’s 200€ for each 20million car.

Yeah, it's absolutely crazy. And incredibly scummy.

Maybe Kaz didn't like how GT Sport was sometimes referred to as poor man's iRacing

 

[Mercia]

I bought a Porsche 919 hybrid on GT Sport for £2.50, to use in an FIA race probably I don't remember but found it to be reasonable enough.

The same car here would be upwards of £25

No matter how much you rationalise it or how much I'm enjoying the game that's really not a good look.

 

[ShiftingGears]

The old games did not require anything like the grinding in GT Sport.

There is a very odd sense of nostalgia for a level of grinding that just did not exist in previous games.

The only justification I can make for it is that time seems to go slower when you're a kid. Otherwise it makes no sense.

 

[seowgila]

I don't think i grinded for literally years to get a 2 mil cr car in gran turismo 2 even taking time in a relative sense....

 

[Ande3200]

I don't think i grinded for literally years to get a 2 mil cr car in gran turismo 2 even taking time in a relative sense....

You won’t need to do that in gt7 either its not difficult to make money at all, you earn less money at the start but i get better as you go higher up in the career mode,

 

[zzz_pt]

You won’t need to do that in gt7 either its not difficult to make money at all, you earn less money at the start but i get better as you go higher up in the career mode,

How do you know?

How long to earn 20 million Cr?

 

[Ande3200]

How do you know?

How long to earn 20 million Cr?

I have not played more than 4 hours, so i don’t expect to get those car the first weeks, but i have seen gr,3 races appear and they pay about 80k per race win, i don’t expect to get a 20 mil car the first month, there should be reason to have this as longterm game, you don’t need to have all cars at once, i think this is what will keep the game alive and by time you trying collect all the cars we get more in updates, seasonal events is also be coming later we know those will pay big, the old titles you also played for months before you even had all cars

 

[zzz_pt]

I have not played more than 4 hours, so i don’t expect to get those car the first weeks, but i have seen gr,3 races appear and they pay about 80k per race win, i don’t expect to get a 20 mil car the first month, there should be reason to have this as longterm game, you don’t need to have all cars at once, i think this is what will keep the game alive the old titles you also played for months before you even had all cars

So you’d need to do that race a mere 250 times to get 20 million.

Also, in the old games it was much easier to get credits. You could win the same prize car over and over and sell it. Things you can’t since GT Sport.

 

[Imari]

...but as long as all cars is still accessable with grinding i have no problem with that, its just optional, its not like the lock anything behind it, some people don’t have time to play the game as much, so it can be option for them

If someone was to grind for a 20 million credit car, how long do you think it should take them before it becomes unreasonable?
20 hours for one car?
40 hours?
100 hours?
200 hours?

There's some point at which even if something is technically accessible by grinding, it takes so much time that it's functionally inaccessible to anyone who isn't playing 8 hours a day 5 days a week.

That's the thing. A little grinding can be good, it can add psychological value to the things you're getting and make them seem special. But at some point it just becomes unnecessarily awful for the player, and with microtransactions in the picture there's an incentive for Polyphony to make the grind just a little bit longer than is comfortable for most people.

Tuning an economy like this is a fine art, it's not as simple as "grinding is fine".

 

[Mercia]

So you’d need to do that race a mere 250 times to get 20 million.

Considering there'll be more variety to it than just doing the exact same race again and again, and with seasonal events, and other things added that shake things up, sorry but this kind of commitment for the top cars in the game isn't unreasonable.

 

[Ande3200]

So you’d need to do that race a mere 250 times to get 20 million.

Also, in the old games it was much easier to get credits. You could win the same prize car over and over and sell it. Things you can’t since GT Sport.

We still don’t know the best money method yet as many of us have not progressed so far in the game yet, i think the grind at times is fun i don’t mind waiting a couble of months to get any 20 mil car, yes the game has some downsides that you can’t sell cars, but besides that gt7 is very good, and a big stepup from gt sport, we finally have a full experinced gran turismo we have waited for years

 

[zzz_pt]

Considering there'll be more variety to it than just doing the exact same race again and again, and with seasonal events, and other things added that shake things up, sorry but this kind of commitment for the top cars in the game isn't unreasonable.

Of course not. That’s what I’m trying to say. In GTSport it wasn’t reasonable to grind the needed amount of hours to get the 20million cars. In GT7 I’m afraid it will be the same.

I’m ok with 20million cars being harder to get and late game content in general but if GT7 is like GTSport, it will be stupidly hard to get a single one of them, unless you pay for them with MT or have no life.

We still don’t know the best money method yet as many of us have not progressed so far in the game yet, i think the grind at times is fun i don’t mind waiting a couble of months to get any 20 mil car, yes the game has some downsides that you can’t sell cars, but besides that gt7 is very good, and a big stepup from gt sport, we finally have a full experinced gran turismo we have waited for years

Then don’t claim on GT7 it won’t be difficult to make money, as you did. I don’t want another GT in which late game content is blocked from me despite the fact I paid for the full content. I don’t want to do the same race hundreds of time in order to buy one of the several 20million cars.

 

[Imari]

Considering there'll be more variety to it than just doing the exact same race again and again, and with seasonal events, and other things added that shake things up, sorry but this kind of commitment for the top cars in the game isn't unreasonable.

At 5 minutes per race (which seems optimistically short) that's ~20 hours for one car. That's not entirely unreasonable, but I think it's pushing the outside of what a lot of people would consider reasonable. This is a casual focused game, and a lot of modern games are only 20-40 hours long, total. To expect someone to play the length of Uncharted 4 for one halo car seems a little bit out of touch, especially when there's 423 other cars (plus whatever they add post-release).

 

[Ande3200]

At 5 minutes per race (which seems optimistically short) that's ~20 hours for one car. That's not entirely unreasonable, but I think it's pushing the outside of what a lot of people would consider reasonable. This is a casual focused game, and a lot of modern games are only 20-40 hours long, total. To expect someone to play the length of Uncharted 4 for one halo car seems a little bit out of touch, especially when there's 423 other cars (plus whatever they add post-release).

While i do agree to some points, not all 424 cars is 20 mil cars its just a few cars that will cost 20 mil,

 

[Imari]

While i do agree to some points, not all 424 cars is 20 mil cars its just a few cars that will cost 20 mil,

I am aware. At no point did I say or imply that all cars cost 20 million credits.

You wanna weigh in on what you think is a reasonable length of time to grind for a single 20 million credit car?

 

[Ande3200]

I am aware. At no point did I say or imply that all cars cost 20 million credits.

You wanna weigh in on what you think is a reasonable length of time to grind for a single 20 million credit car?

We proably know more once most of is have progress longer in the game, the credits earned gets higher the longer you progress in career

 

[Imari]

We proably know more once most of is have progress longer in the game, the credits earned gets higher the longer you progress in career

The question is not how long it will take in game. The question is how long you think would be reasonable. You've been very vocal that grinding is fine, and so I'm curious to hear what is the most amount of time you would find acceptable to spend grinding for one car.

We can start with an easy one. Would find it acceptable if it took 100 hours of grinding to earn one 20 million credit car?

 

[kowalski__1]

I am aware. At no point did I say or imply that all cars cost 20 million credits.

You wanna weigh in on what you think is a reasonable length of time to grind for a single 20 million credit car?

It takes 10 hours in GTS and that's a bit long.
It would be nice if that time is cut in half with GT7 because if it's the same,it's going to be a long,long haul.

 

[Ande3200]

The question is not how long it will take in game. The question is how long you think would be reasonable. You've been very vocal that grinding is fine, and so I'm curious to hear what is the most amount of time you would find acceptable to spend grinding for one car.

We can start with an easy one. Would find it acceptable if it took 100 hours of grinding to earn one 20 million credit car?

Hard to say, but i never put all my resources on one car, i just play the game and enjoy my time, for me 10-20 hours would be fine for me to grind for a 20 mil car, but i don’t think it will be worth unless i got most of the other cars needed for the races,

 

[kjeldsen]

Why are people putting words in my mouth?


No, other games tend to take anywhere between 10 and 100 hours to complete, on average. They don't take a year or even four years. Reminder, in GTS we're talking about ~13 hours to earn ONE car. All I'm saying is most people do not have that kind of time and effort to put into a game just to get everything out of it.

No, I'm not saying we should have everything handed to us on day one. I'm saying that as people play the game they may soon find that they're going to be tempted towards the MTs if credits don't come naturally very quickly later in the game. Note the key word IF in both this post and the one you quoted. It's a big, key word in this. IF credits are easy to acquire later in the game then it's a moot point.

There is 400+ cars in the game with more coming via DLC, i don't think that anyone is supposed to get every car in the game.
Just to be clear, i would love if there were other ways to get the Unicorns, for example a mission in Café that could take weeks for all that matters. I don't think that it is in the spirit of the game to just keep those cars behind 20 million even though i understand why they did it.