Gran Turismo 7's Next Update is Coming This Week: Escudo Pikes Peak Returns

[VolusiaF30]

Would love to create my own events if they would pay out a „tiny“ bit more than what it cost to buy some Racing tires.Oh and if i could actually SAVE them as templates.But probably that was too complicated to code as well…

You're asking for features that PD may not even be aware are wanted or may not align with their vision for the game. You wouldn't walk up to an interior designer and tell them what should be in the living room when it's not even your house.

 

[Techlet]

You could make your own events because PD built the code and UI for you to make your own events.

If it's so simple that even a player can do it, why does PD take so long to do so themselves?

 

[VolusiaF30]

If it's so simple that even a player can do it, why does PD take so long to do so themselves?

Probably pressure from Sony to hit their immovable release date, even if the game wasn't at the level PD wanted. Same happened to Cyberpunk and a huge amount of other games. Blame Sony if you want to blame anyone. However you as the consumer have always had the right to vote with your wallet. I have no idea why someone would buy a game then endlessly complain about this or that. Simply don't buy the game for a year or 2 then buy it when it's in CEX for £20 and patched to your liking.

 

[Dave A]

Probably pressure from Sony to hit their immovable release date, even if the game wasn't at the level PD wanted. Same happened to Cyberpunk and a huge amount of other games.

Or maybe you're making even grosser assumptions than those you're telling others not to make.

 

[Techlet]

Probably pressure from Sony to hit their immovable release date, even if the game wasn't at the level PD wanted.

It's now 3 months past the release date. They had 5 years to make this game.

PD proved they were able to add a solid chunk of meaningful SP content to GTS post launch (probably more than there currently is in GT7). They've so far failed to do so with GT7. Sony's not the ones to blame. Other first party devs have managed to release fantastic games right out of the box.

People bought this game on the promise that it's a return to form for GT. It's not the consumers' fault for the devs' failure to deliver.

 

[VolusiaF30]

Or maybe you're making even grosser assumptions than those you're telling others not to make.

Would you view a house, think it's disgusting and needing tons of work, then buy it and complain anyway? Because that's exactly what you're doing with GT7.
I have no idea why someone would buy a game then endlessly complain about this or that. Simply don't buy the game for a year or 2 then buy it when it's in CEX for £20 and patched to your liking.
And no, it's fact:
Gran Turismo 7 was revealed at Sony's PlayStation 5 reveal stream on June 11, 2020.[15] The game is being developed by Polyphony Digital and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment for the PlayStation 4 and the PlayStation 5.[16][17] The game was initially scheduled for a release in 2021.[18][19][20] It was later delayed to 2022 due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the video game industry affecting game development.

I also remember an article saying it took them around 2 weeks just to recreate a single car. Those 5 years get eaten up quickly just creating cars, sounds for them, physics, mods etc. People acting like it took them 5 years to created 3D Tetris

 

[Dave A]

Would you view a house, think it's disgusting and needing tons of work, then buy it and complain anyway? Because that's exactly what you're doing with GT7.

No it's not.

It's more a case of buying a new build house off plan under the impression it will be done to a high quality standard, top draw fixtures and fittings etc. and when you move in, though it looks nice, the kitchen is cheap laminate, the appliances are cheap, plug sockets aren't wired up, the roof leaks and the boiler doesn't turn on, and then complaining, as you'd have a right to.

If you're going to come up with an analogy at least make it a good one.

I have no idea why someone would buy a game then endlessly complain about this or that. Simply don't buy the game for a year or 2 then buy it when it's in CEX for £20 and patched to your liking.

I hope this isn't aimed at me, as I don't "endlessly complain", I do complain, absolutely I do, but I have quite hapily mentioned postiives about the game as well.

Perhaps you just don't think people should be allowed to complain? Perhaps you fail to understand that most of the people complaining are long time GT fans and aren't complaining needlessly, they're complaning because they like the franchise so much and are dissapointed with where it's gone. I've been a massive GT fan since GT1 and it's very disheartening to see how poorly thought through the structure of GT7 is.

Additionally we've alerady seen that complaints can have an impact on PD and game updates, not to the level some had hoped perhaps, but they've had some impact so complening isn't futuile, it can lead to change.

And no, it's fact:

None of what you've said that I've quoted so far is a fact.

Gran Turismo 7 was revealed at Sony's PlayStation 5 reveal stream on June 11, 2020.[15] The game is being developed by Polyphony Digital and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment for the PlayStation 4 and the PlayStation 5.[16][17] The game was initially scheduled for a release in 2021.[18][19][20] It was later delayed to 2022 due to the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the video game industry affecting game development.

First of all, Kaz said development was not impacted significantly. Secondly, so?

I also remember an article saying it took them around 2 weeks just to recreate a single car. Those 5 years get eaten up quickly just creating cars, sounds for them, physics, mods etc. People acting like it took them 5 years to created 3D Tetris

Wrong, it takes a lot longer than 2 weeks to model a car for GT7, but again, so? No one is debating how long it takes to model a car for GT7. What point are you trying to make? That if it takes that long to make cars we can't expect the game to have many race events? What!

 

[Techlet]

If people hadn't complained "all the time", we'd still be stuck grinding Fisherman's.

Most of the cars and track and UI are ported straight from GTS. The assets were already made and said by PD to be "future proof".

 

[05XR8]

So, how about that GR.3 Suzuki VGT?

 

[Boltar]

Probably pressure from Sony to hit their immovable release date, even if the game wasn't at the level PD wanted. Same happened to Cyberpunk and a huge amount of other games. Blame Sony if you want to blame anyone. However you as the consumer have always had the right to vote with your wallet. I have no idea why someone would buy a game then endlessly complain about this or that. Simply don't buy the game for a year or 2 then buy it when it's in CEX for £20 and patched to your liking.

How are customers supposed to know this in advance? If you are interested in a house, you go and check it thoroughly before spending a single buck on it.

But with game media being completely useless and corrupted (not a single issue has been reported before release), and there are no demos anymore, you are completely clueless when buying a game.

Also, PD has a reputation of delivering great products. Many GT players here have grown up with incredible great GranTurismo games, me included. So we trusted in that company. We gave them our money and expected them to do, what they have done for almost 30 years. But now, they didnt. Their reputation is, to say the least, gone. As is our money. Plus the frustration while playing. Plus the frustration of these useless patches that add stuff that might be nice to have for some, but dont adress the actual issues in any way.

 

[Techlet]

So, how about that GR.3 Suzuki VGT?

Supposedly among the worst of the bunch under BOP (at least around Maggiore).

 

[VolusiaF30]

No it's not.

It's more a case of buying a new build house off plan under the impression it will be done to a high quality standard, top draw fixtures and fittings etc. and when you move in, though it looks nice, the kitchen is cheap laminate, the appliances are cheap, plug sockets aren't wired up, the roof leaks and the boiler doesn't turn on, and then complaining, as you'd have a right to.

If you're going to come up with an analogy at least make it a good one.

I hope this isn't aimed at me, as I don't "endlessly complain", I do complain, absolutely I do, but I have quite hapily mentioned postiives about the game as well.

Perhaps you just don't think people should be allowed to complain? Perhaps you fail to understand that most of the people complaining are long time GT fans and aren't complaining needlessly, they're complaning because they like the franchise so much and are dissapointed with where it's gone. I've been a massive GT fan since GT1 and it's very disheartening to see how poorly thought through the structure of GT7 is.

Additionally we've alerady seen that complaints can have an impact on PD and game updates, not to the level some had hoped perhaps, but they've had some impact so complening isn't futuile, it can lead to change.


None of what you've said that I've quoted so far is a fact.

First of all, Kaz said development was not impacted significantly. Secondly, so?

Wrong, it takes a lot longer than 2 weeks to model a car for GT7, but again, so? No one is debating how long it takes to model a car for GT7. What point are you trying to make? That if it takes that long to make cars we can't expect the game to have many race events? What!

No it isn't. It would be like moving into a new build even though you had the chance to thoroughly inspect it (in the form of user reviews and playthrough watching) before putting the money down.
Complaining isn't constructive, constructive criticism is constructive. The endless whining is tiresome from a select few.
I don't care what Kez said, if a game was delayed by an entire year, it was significantly impacted.
Because people like to parrot, 'they had 5 years to make it'. 5 years isn't a long time when doing something as basic as modelling a single car takes weeks of work. Multiply that by over 400 and those 5 years feel more like 5 weeks.
Everyone here has the option to sell their copy and pick it up later cheap. They go for £40+ on Ebay, unless you bought the digital PS5 and/or digital version, in which case you should've considered that before buying.
No one is forcing anyone to grind for credits, no one is forcing anyone to play a game they're so frustrated with. Put the game down, play ACC or something. Pick back up in a few months. Battlefield 4 took over a year before it reached a good standard. These things happen.
Or alternatively, sit on a forum whining and complaining while you adjust your pedal end points then race around an extremely well made recreation of Watkins Glen, which FYI was never even promised to begin with. Kudos to the ones enjoying the new content and features!

 

[Absolutdani]

You're asking for features that PD may not even be aware are wanted or may not align with their vision for the game. You wouldn't walk up to an interior designer and tell them what should be in the living room when it's not even your house.

There is no way you are really defending them on these 2 issues.

Saving templates is a QoL feature, and paying more for custom races... I mean, a 24hr race will pay you around 200K credits... that is 4 soft tyre sets. For a 24hr race.

If they ignore them, I guess then their vision for the game then is to give a **** about game design and force people to grind the same races forever / MTX.

So, how about that GR.3 Suzuki VGT?

LMAO, some people just want to see the world burn

 

[Techlet]

Or alternatively, sit on a forum whining and complaining while you adjust your pedal end points then race around an extremely well made recreation of Watkins Glen, which FYI was never even promised to begin with.

You sure about that?

 

[Dave A]

No it isn't. It would be like moving into a new build even though you had the chance to thoroughly inspect it (in the form of user reviews and playthrough watching) before putting the money down.

That's not how it works. You pay your deposit on a new build house usually months if not a year or more before it's built. If you pre-ordered GT7 you did not get to read reviews or test it, you took PD at their word.

Complaining isn't constructive, constructive criticism is constructive. The endless whining is tiresome from a select few.
I don't care what Kez said, if a game was delayed by an entire year, it was significantly impacted.

Is criticism not a complaint? Constructive criticism is just a complaint with merit formulated in a way to lead to improvement.

Because people like to parrot, 'they had 5 years to make it'. 5 years isn't a long time when doing something as basic as modelling a single car takes weeks of work. Multiply that by over 400 and those 5 years feel more like 5 weeks.

You do realise that the length of time it takes to model a car (which is months by the way, not weeks), has no bearing on the online code or the number of events that they could include in the game at launch or with each update?

Everyone here has the option to sell their copy and pick it up later cheap. They go for £40+ on Ebay, unless you bought the digital PS5 and/or digital version, in which case you should've considered that before buying.

So not everyone has the option to sell thier copy, and even if they do, they've still made a loss haven't they? You're also ignoring the fact this was touted as the most complete Gran turismo ever, it's far, far, far from that.

No one is forcing anyone to grind for credits, no one is forcing anyone to play a game they're so frustrated with. Put the game down, play ACC or something. Pick back up in a few months. Battlefield 4 took over a year before it reached a good standard. These things happen.

You're right, and no one is forcing you to defend GT7 either, but you're here doing it. go away, come back in a few months maybe and if GT7 is significantly better by then you might not have to.

Or alternatively, sit on a forum whining and complaining while you adjust your pedal end points then race around an extremely well made recreation of Watkins Glen, which FYI was never even promised to begin with. Kudos to the ones enjoying the new content and features!

Or alternatively sit on a forum telling other people what they can and cannot say whilst cherry picking which points to address in the process. A contradiction perhaps.

Look, we've dragged this discussion far and away from the original debate which was centred around the poor number of events which seems to have been abandoned in haste. I suggest we end this here, if you have a point to address the original argument go ahead, but none of the above from either of us appears to be going anywhere.

 

[Nielsen]

Speaking of tug jobs, it seems a small few are engaging in a circle jerk of hate towards a very good racing game. Instead of putting its flaws aside (all games have flaws), they're just constantly complaining like spoilt children. Sad!

Criticism is hate? Extreme.

 

[Cayit]

What A Poor Update. It's a Joke how PD handle us the Players of the Game!
3 New Events..WOW!!!!
Can't wait for the new Forza Motorsport Next Year !!!

 

[Mythaga]

This update is a step in the right direction but the game is STILL lacking in many areas.

The game was obviously rushed and released before it was ready (probably at Sonys request) I'm sure PD would have wanted more time...

Maybe in 6 months to a year it will be close to where it needs to be but alot of people will have lost interest by then...

 

[Michelin Man]

So, how about that GR.3 Suzuki VGT?

From the laps I've done it so far (mainly at Yamagiwa), it's a blast to drive 👍 . Sounds absolutely fantastic as well. I'd say it's 11,750rpm redline makes it the highest of all current Gr.3's as well, unless mistaken.

 

[GlamFM]

This update is a step in the right direction but the game is STILL lacking in many areas.

The game was obviously rushed and released before it was ready (probably at Sonys request) I'm sure PD would have wanted more time...

Maybe in 6 months to a year it will be close to where it needs to be but alot of people will have lost interest by then...

I always wonder if the decision to make GT7 cross-gen was made fairly late and maybe threw PD off a little.

 

[jgtc_lover]

If people hadn't complained "all the time", we'd still be stuck grinding Fisherman's.

Most of the cars and track and UI are ported straight from GTS. The assets were already made and said by PD to be "future proof".

This may sound sarcastic, but in honesty I'm glad that there are people who have the energy to keep complaining about the game, because I don't. The thing is is that PD are actually listening and are improving the game, as slowly as they seemingly can. After 3 months, the game is still better than it was when I purchased it. Let the people complain, it's getting things done.

PD have been pushing that "future proof" crap since GT4 and I'm sure we all remember how hideous standard cars in GT5 and 6 were. There are no "future proof" game models. Resolutions will keep increasing, then they'll have to redo them again for high-res VR with real-time ray-tracing, then again for whatever crazy futuristic holodeck technology comes after that, and again when they figure out how to beam games directly into your visual cortex.

 

[R55NA]

What A Poor Update. It's a Joke how PD handle us the Players of the Game!
3 New Events..WOW!!!!
Can't wait for the new Forza Motorsport Next Year !!!

Forza Motorsport series doesnt have a great track record either. Especially when it comes to the first iteration on "next gen".

 

[fmq75]

the game is still better than it was when I purchased it. Let the people complain, it's getting things done.

Its frustrating though that they tend to go 2 steps forward but always 1 back.The penalty system is worse now and the sport mode was what i played most by far.For this reason i stopped playing entirely 3 weeks ago but will try the new track when i‘m back home.

 

[fastimmy]

Jumped on the new circuit experience and equalled the gold time on my first complete lap, never in doubt pays out 1.2million for anyone wondering.

I got that exact time too on my first attempt!!!

 

[permaculture]

You know, because of heritage. lol.

“A customer can have a car painted any color he wants as long as it’s black”

 

[Suzuki-Cara]

I can already tell you what I'm using that Escudo Pikes Peak for.

WTC 800 Tourney. Basically like doing the Gran turismo World League in GT2 all over again.

The Roadster's not that bad either, still have to mess with the tune tho.

 

[VinylRichie]

Can you also fully rotate the camera in cockpit view? It's soo annoying how it keeps switching to the rear view when you push down too much.

Visual customization is only part of it. Making the Tuning Shop upgrades work for each car is another factor. Some of those upgrades are visual too like exhausts and brakes (if a car supports such upgrades). Regardless, all this needs to be considered during development.

I’m certainly not defending their decision to only release three cars per month, but in general they had fewer things to take into account when they were adding five or six cars to GT Sport on average. For example, back then car performance was altered with a slider, which was probably an automated process, and wheels were the only visual upgrade.

Though, I’m also sure they could manage better, but if the datamine is accurate and reliable, then three cars per month will amount to around 70 cars over two years of monthly content updates. The leaked list contains somewhere around 70 cars.



I prefer “possible explanation”.

That’s a good point☝️

Probably pressure from Sony to hit their immovable release date, even if the game wasn't at the level PD wanted. Same happened to Cyberpunk and a huge amount of other games. Blame Sony if you want to blame anyone. However you as the consumer have always had the right to vote with your wallet. I have no idea why someone would buy a game then endlessly complain about this or that. Simply don't buy the game for a year or 2 then buy it when it's in CEX for £20 and patched to your liking.

Sony is THE big Publisher known in the industry for not putting pressure on its development studios and giving them the freedom they need. I don’t say that it’s unthinkable that it gone that way, but it’s not very likely

 

[SuperSportX]

Escudo is brilliant. Destroys everything. Gr 1 prototype get out of the way. GT2 levels of fun.

Yup I was surprised at how well it performs in regular races, it made for some very intense racing against Gr.2.

 

[Vspectra]

I cannot find HOW to rotate the chase view ... I suppose it needs to be done in replay mode? Which buttons do you use? Does it have to be done on a controller? Thanks in advance for any help.

You can do it in gameplay. Just use the right thumbstick, make sure the right thumbstick is set to “camera view” in the control settings.

Ah yeah, I’m using a controller. Not sure how it’s done on a wheel. If your wheel as a dpad you might be able to set left and right to camera view setting

 

[VinylRichie]

This may sound sarcastic, but in honesty I'm glad that there are people who have the energy to keep complaining about the game, because I don't. The thing is is that PD are actually listening and are improving the game, as slowly as they seemingly can. After 3 months, the game is still better than it was when I purchased it. Let the people complain, it's getting things done.

PD have been pushing that "future proof" crap since GT4 and I'm sure we all remember how hideous standard cars in GT5 and 6 were. There are no "future proof" game models. Resolutions will keep increasing, then they'll have to redo them again for high-res VR with real-time ray-tracing, then again for whatever crazy futuristic holodeck technology comes after that, and again when they figure out how to beam games directly into your visual cortex.

Ahm yeah and no, there’s a difference between these low polygon cars in past GT Games and the cars in the present. The ones now really look realistic, it’s not that they just look more realistic than the models in other racing games or that look very good „for a game“,no they reached a stadium of graphical fidelity and detail which can hardly be differentiated from reality. Sure there is still room for improvement and in future games they will look even better, but this not the same as in the time of the first GT Till GT6.