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[Samus]

Nope, praising it, brilliant game

Maybe stick to that then instead of attacking people who don't share your views.

Play online. Single player only exists to get you accustomed to what the game has to offer.
Or just make custom races. It's only boring if you choose not do do anything on it. Don't be a whiner and complainer.

If PD implemented those features they could, but then you'd likely complain at only getting patches twice a year. It takes time to implement things, they're not miracle workers, they have bugs and other fixes to tackle first.

Because you have no idea how long it takes them just to add a single event. If they could make a list of what everyone wants and click their fingers and make it appear I'm sure they would. Massive amounts of code goes into a game like this with so many variables and each one has to work without issue. It's no easy feat. It isn't like a linear game with much narrower gameplay boundaries.

We've already discovered that changing a few things can cause unexpected bugs (green calipers), so unless you have personal experience as a triple A games developer, everything you're saying is just conjecture. Instead of complaining about the current state of the game, I'd suggest putting it down for a few months and playing something else. It will only get better with time

This isn't praising the game, is it? That's you getting pissy and defensive because people dared to have a negative opinion of the update.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Honest questions to the nerds that know more than me:

I keep reading how the majority of this game is a direct port from GTS. How much of a direct port is it really? I mean, yes…. The graphics are one in the same. But so much of the rest has changed. The physics model and calculations are completely overhauled. TOD , dynamic weather, dynamic track conditions… and everything that goes into that. The AI is much better in the 🌶 races at least.

To the layman, it looks like they lifted the body on “x” muscle car… swapped out the entire drivetrain, boxed the frame, swapped the suspension, changed out the electrical, and put the body back on.

The only tell that it’s a slightly different car is the skinny tires up front, and street slicks in the back. Similar car, yes. But only skin deep..

 

[Samus]

Honest questions to the nerds that know more than me:

I keep reading how the majority of this game is a direct port from GTS. How much of a direct port is it really? I mean, yes…. The graphics are one in the same. But so much of the rest has changed. The physics model and calculations are completely overhauled. TOD , dynamic weather, dynamic track conditions… and everything that goes into that. The AI is much better in the 🌶 races at least.

To the layman, it looks like they lifted the body on “x” muscle car… swapped out the entire drivetrain, boxed the frame, swapped the suspension, changed out the electrical, and put the body back on.

The only tell that it’s a slightly different car is the skinny tires up front, and street slicks in the back. Similar car, yes. But only skin deep..

Not a port, just an update. They're saying it wasn't enough to warrant calling it GT7. There were no brand new tracks at launch, no proper new features that are part of the main game, only 54 new cars. Sport Mode is exactly the same, lobbies were/are somehow worse, single player might have been wrapped in the cafe but it's the same catch the rabbit format for 90% of it.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Not a port, just an update. They're saying it wasn't enough to warrant calling it GT7. There were no brand new tracks at launch, no proper new features that are part of the main game, only 54 new cars. Sport Mode is exactly the same, lobbies were/are somehow worse, single player might have been wrapped in the cafe but it's the same catch the rabbit format for 90% of it.

Not an attack to you, with my next statement, TRUST ME…

But that doesn’t answer the question. While I agree with you that all these things were a direct carryover from GTS, it warrants the question if in fact, GT7 is just an update compared to a 80% new game. Taking into account that A LOT has changed under the hood of the game.

I don’t know the answer. Hopefully a nerd with some background in this can answer?

 

[Theufcveteran]

Not an attack to you, with my next statement, TRUST ME…

But that doesn’t answer the question. While I agree with you that all these things were a direct carryover from GTS, it warrants the question if in fact, GT7 is just an update compared to a 80% new game. Taking into account that A LOT has changed under the hood of the game.

I don’t know the answer. Hopefully a nerd with some background in this can answer?

Well, they almost certainly used GTS as a base, the UI, sound effects and overall experience share elements. I can’t imagine they rebuilt it from scratch, it’s like GTS with more cars and updated physics/customisation/a new single player structure. Plus ray tracing on PS5 and expanded weather and time options.

 

[Samus]

Not an attack to you, with my next statement, TRUST ME…

But that doesn’t answer the question. While I agree with you that all these things were a direct carryover from GTS, it warrants the question if in fact, GT7 is just an update compared to a 80% new game. Taking into account that A LOT has changed under the hood of the game.

I don’t know the answer. Hopefully a nerd with some background in this can answer?

Has a lot changed though? Yes they added dynamic weather, but GTS already had weather already. That's an incremental update. The AI are barely better, also incremental. Physics, Livery Editor, the list goes on. They're all just small updates, there are no huge steps forward with anything. Nothing that screams "ground up work". Car upgrading is just a return from the old games.

In the end though it's a subjective opinion whether enough has changed to warrant it being called a new game or an update that could've happened to the last one. There is no factual crossover point.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Well, they almost certainly used GTS as a base, the UI, sound effects and overall experience share elements. I can’t imagine they rebuilt it from scratch, it’s like GTS with more cars and updated physics/customisation/a new single player structure. Plus ray tracing on PS5 and expanded weather and time options.

I agree with all of this. The thing Fa I’m curious about is how much coding goes into the said updated physics, customization, dynamic Tod, weather and track conditions.

If the answer is “yes… that all takes a lot of work”. Then I’m willing accept the premise tgat this is almost entirely a new game and cut PD some slack, taking into account that they probably had to spend the last 9 months changing gears to get the game running smoothly on PS4.


Even though it is obvious they’re drip feeding content to us. But as far as the bugs and all the associated lobby issues ect. That’s forgivable if this is in fact a “new game”

 

[Yard_Sale]

Has a lot changed though? Yes they added dynamic weather, but GTS already had weather already. That's an incremental update. The AI are barely better, also incremental. Physics, Livery Editor, the list goes on. They're all just small updates, there are no huge steps forward with anything. Car upgrading is just a return from the old games.

In the end though it's a subjective opinion whether enough has changed to warrant it being called a new game or an update that could've happened to the last one. There is no factual crossover point.

I think even we would both that there has to be a big difference between pre-baked weather and track conditions; compared to dynamic weather AND the corresponding dynamic track conditions

 

[VolusiaF30]

Maybe stick to that then instead of attacking people who don't share your views.




This isn't praising the game, is it? That's you getting pissy and defensive because people dared to have a negative opinion of the update.

Because some have nothing to contribute other than, 'update sucks, still boring', 'broken game' etc, constantly slandering PD. Then they get all upset when I provide many solutions. Play online, play something else, get gold on everything etc, sell your copy if you really hate it that much etc. Seems to have upset a few. I'm not sorry for peeing on your little GT hate parade. If you can't switch on your FFB wheel and hit the track and NOT enjoy yourself, I dunno what to tell you. Must suck experiencing such little enjoyment in life.

 

[Theufcveteran]

I agree with all of this. The thing Fa I’m curious about is how much coding goes into the said updated physics, customization, dynamic Tod, weather and track conditions.

If the answer is “yes… that all takes a lot of work”. Then I’m willing accept the premise tgat this is almost entirely a new game and cut PD some slack, taking into account that they probably had to spend the last 9 months changing gears to get the game running smoothly on PS4.


Even though it is obvious they’re drip feeding content to us. But as far as the bugs and all the associated lobby issues ect. That’s forgivable if this is in fact a “new game”

I imagine the physics take the most time, owing to its complexity. Customisation is probably not too difficult given their experience, but time consuming for how many cars they need to model and fit parts too.

It drives differently to Sport, there’s more going on with the physics and it’s a step closer to realism (not that GTS was arcadey, but 7 definitely has more realistic physics barring the issue over the limit of grip (which isn’t as bad now after the update a little while back).

Given they had five years, it’s not everything it could’ve been. The core is good, but it just needs more content - and PD can definitely do that if they want to. They release a few races every update, but really they could spend a month making 100 races, I don’t think it’s particularly difficult at all given they have code set up already for events.

And man, the AI still sucks. They can make fast AI, some of GT6’s seasonal events had the leader drive like a demon once you overtook them. They have difficulty options for a reason - I wish they’d make the hardest AI actually difficult.

Professional AI can sometimes be good from what I hear, but they drop off 6 laps in a 10 lap race. But chilli AI doesn’t seem to be all that quick - even triple chillies rely on a 20-40 second gap to make it close.

There are a few exceptions, like the World Touring Championship 600 at Tokyo or the Suzuka Gr.1 race for the lead car(s). They’re actually pretty quick there, I’m still struggling to win with a stock TS050. I can make up time in the corners but get wiped on the straights.

 

[Samus]

I think even we would both that there has to be a big difference between pre-baked weather and track conditions; compared to dynamic weather AND the corresponding dynamic track conditions

For PD in terms of work, sure. In terms of what the user sees, no. Especially when it's not available on a majority of tracks. Every track having 24hr cycle and dynamic weather would have felt more like a new-game worthy update. As it is, it just feels like they updated a few tracks with it, like they initially did when they added static weather to some. That's where the "GTS update" feeling comes from, because what we the user see it feels like that.

I dunno what to tell you.

That's the point, you don't have to tell people anything. If you're happy with the game, have fun with it. If people want to critique it, leave them be. You aren't giving solutions, you're making excuses for PD.

 

[Theufcveteran]

I think even we would both that there has to be a big difference between pre-baked weather and track conditions; compared to dynamic weather AND the corresponding dynamic track conditions

Time is still baked I’m pretty sure, they interpolate between different bakes to simulate a changing time of day. Which is a really good way to have dynamic time without the drawbacks of true dynamic time/lighting. Downside is baked global illumination (for the lighting) takes up a lot of space, but I think it’s worth it for the fidelity. Of course if you’ve got 100 tracks then maybe it’d be an issue then, game would be well over 150 GB, I imagine.

EDIT: Whoops, realised you were talking about weather. I really enjoy it, I think they did a great job with it. A little quick sometimes with how fast it starts pouring when rain hits, but maybe that’s down to the increased speed of weather in some races.

 

[Nielsen]

Because some have nothing to contribute other than, 'update sucks, still boring', 'broken game' etc, constantly slandering PD.

You’re forgetting that the vast majority actually bother to explain why they think so.

Then they get all upset when I provide many solutions. Play online, play something else, get gold on everything etc, sell your copy if you really hate it that much etc. Seems to have upset a few.

Such genuine attempts at being helpful. LOL.

I'm not sorry for peeing on your little GT hate parade.

I think you’re confusing hate with passion.

Must suck experiencing such little enjoyment in life.

How long before you admit you’re only here to exemplify some sort of anti-social deviance?

 

[VolusiaF30]

For PD in terms of work, sure. In terms of what the user sees, no. Especially when it's not available on a majority of tracks. Every track having 24hr cycle and dynamic weather would have felt more like a new-game worthy update. As it is, it just feels like they updated a few tracks with it, like they initially did when they added static weather to some. That's where the "GTS update" feeling comes from, because what we the user see it feels like that.

That's the point, you don't have to tell people anything. If you're happy with the game, have fun with it. If people want to critique it, leave them be. You aren't giving solutions, you're making excuses for PD.

The solution is play something else if you don't like it. Hate to break the news to you but no matter how much you whine on a forum PD takes little to no notice of, it won't conjure up the game you think it should be.

Critique definition: a detailed analysis and assessment of something, especially a literary, philosophical, or political theory.

The original post which I commented on:

More boredom after alls completed in no time single player wise, oh so wished for a Gran Turismo 3 style game , this drip feeding content sucks.

That's your idea of a critique, is it?

 

[Dave A]

Nope, praising it, brilliant game

No, you were pretty much just whining at people criticising the game because you seem to struggle to accept people have legitimate issues.

There's very little hate going on except from you hating any opinion that's not positive. Most of the criticism aimed at GT7 isn't because people hate it, it's because people are passionate about it and want it to be better.

 

[RichiPuppy]

Because some have nothing to contribute other than, 'update sucks, still boring', 'broken game' etc, constantly slandering PD. Then they get all upset when I provide many solutions. Play online, play something else, get gold on everything etc, sell your copy if you really hate it that much etc. Seems to have upset a few. I'm not sorry for peeing on your little GT hate parade. If you can't switch on your FFB wheel and hit the track and NOT enjoy yourself, I dunno what to tell you. Must suck experiencing such little enjoyment in life.

They are contributing a lot more than you are. Saying everything is awesome and move on if you don’t agree is NOT going to improve the game EVER.

 

[VolusiaF30]

No, you were pretty much just whining at people criticising the game because you seem to struggle to accept people have legitimate issues.

There's very little hate going on except from you hating any opinion that's not positive. Most of the criticism aimed at GT7 isn't because people hate it, it's because people are passionate about it and want it to be better.

You'd think if a person was passionate but unhappy with something, they'd give a more eloquent criticism than, 'still boring this sucks'. I read a lot of posts like this and called one out because it doesn't solve anything and detracts from the topic of the thread, which was to discuss what the update brings to the table. If you're doing anything out of choice and find it boring, what's the default resolution to that, 9 times out of 10? You stop doing it and do something else right? So play another game. I'm not sure why that solution upsets you and others.

 

[Dave A]

You'd think if a person was passionate but unhappy with something, they'd give a more eloquent criticism than, 'still boring this sucks'. I read a lot of posts like this and called one out because it doesn't solve anything and detracts from the topic of the thread, which was to discuss what the update brings to the table. If you're doing anything out of choice and find it boring, what's the default resolution to that, 9 times out of 10? You stop doing it and do something else right? So play another game. I'm not sure why that solution upsets you and others.

You're the only person telling other people what to do and not to do, i.e. play online, stop posting criticism etc.

You've also been presented with plenty of valid explanation for views of myself and from others, yet you ignore those and criticise people who just, and I quote, "whine whine whine".

The most of that going on in this thread has been you whining about other people opinions, responding to posts with poo emoji's and then claiming those people are like children. Pot, kettle, black, comes to mind.

 

[Samus]

The solution is play something else if you don't like it. Hate to break the news to you but no matter how much you whine on a forum PD takes little to no notice of, it won't conjure up the game you think it should be.

Critique definition: a detailed analysis and assessment of something, especially a literary, philosophical, or political theory.

The original post which I commented on:

That's your idea of a critique, is it?

In the context of a video game, yes. They expressed what they have a problem with (lack of events, drip feeding) and gave a solution (similar career mode to GT3).

Nobody is looking for your solutions. Everyone is well aware they don't have to play the game. They're also well aware they don't have to post their issues on this forum, but hey, it's a free forum. They're perfectly entitled to.

 

[Theufcveteran]

You'd think if a person was passionate but unhappy with something, they'd give a more eloquent criticism than, 'still boring this sucks'. I read a lot of posts like this and called one out because it doesn't solve anything and detracts from the topic of the thread, which was to discuss what the update brings to the table. If you're doing anything out of choice and find it boring, what's the default resolution to that, 9 times out of 10? You stop doing it and do something else right? So play another game. I'm not sure why that solution upsets you and others.

You wanna know why people call it boring, light on content, etc? Because they care about the game/series. They want it to be better. Not every single post has to be an in depth analysis. Most comments about it being boring mention why, so it’s not you can’t take anything from it as a developer. You can say it’s boring because x, and that’s enough.

It is a fact that GT7 has the fewest career events in series history (this is excluding missions/licenses, etc., in all games).

Also, have you considered that some members have stopped playing but still want the game to improve, and so they voice their grievances?

 

[fmq75]

I suggest to just stop feeding the troll and he‘ll disappear in no time...

 

[sixty4half]

I think the most obvious evidence that this is a direct port of GTS is that PD did NOT even bother to give us updated group 1-4 race cars. Two of the most obvious examples; The Corvette and Ferrari race cars. Ferrari has moved on from the Italia in GT3 and is racing a Hybrid, yet here we are still racing Gr3 Italias. Chevy doesnt race in GT3, the Group 3 Corvette is just a made up race car from PD, but it is still the C7. Chevy has released a C8 Corvette, yet here we are still driving a nearly decade old fake car.

Ports, from GTS

 

[Theufcveteran]

I suggest to just stop feeding the troll and he‘ll disappear in no time...

I was wondering if he’d start defending the engine swaps being locked behind roulette tickets and being as rare as they are. Have to be a troll then, not even PD could defend that, lol.

 

[Yard_Sale]

I think the most obvious evidence that this is a direct port of GTS is that PD did NOT even bother to give us updated group 1-4 race cars. Two of the most obvious examples; The Corvette and Ferrari race cars. Ferrari has moved on from the Italia in GT3 and is racing a Hybrid, yet here we are still racing Gr3 Italias. Chevy doesnt race in GT3, the Group 3 Corvette is just a made up race car from PD, but it is still the C7. Chevy has released a C8 Corvette, yet here we are still driving a nearly decade old fake car.

Ports, from GTS

Could be licensing too tho

 

[Beezer215]

Sarah removed, you crystal generation must be proud 🤬

Yes, really happy about this. I don't need some fish telling me to breathe if I didn't get a sector right in 3 tries.

I agree with all of this. The thing Fa I’m curious about is how much coding goes into the said updated physics, customization, dynamic Tod, weather and track conditions.

If the answer is “yes… that all takes a lot of work”. Then I’m willing accept the premise tgat this is almost entirely a new game and cut PD some slack, taking into account that they probably had to spend the last 9 months changing gears to get the game running smoothly on PS4.


Even though it is obvious they’re drip feeding content to us. But as far as the bugs and all the associated lobby issues ect. That’s forgivable if this is in fact a “new game”

An entirely new game? How can you even draw that conclusion? It's Sport with some tuning and some weather. It's blatant. Same HUD, cars, tracks. They even downgraded some of the visuals so we could have time of day changes and such. Are you really thinking it's feasible to call this a new game? That is some of the sole reason for a lot of the backlash.

 

[VolusiaF30]

In the context of a video game, yes. They expressed what they have a problem with (lack of events, drip feeding) and gave a solution (similar career mode to GT3).

Nobody is looking for your solutions. Everyone is well aware they don't have to play the game. They're also well aware they don't have to post their issues on this forum, but hey, it's a free forum. They're perfectly entitled to.

And I'm perfectly entitled to raise issue with low effort hate posts you inaccurately brand 'critiques'.

 

[VolusiaF30]

You wanna know why people call it boring, light on content, etc? Because they care about the game/series. They want it to be better. Not every single post has to be an in depth analysis. Most comments about it being boring mention why, so it’s not you can’t take anything from it as a developer. You can say it’s boring because x, and that’s enough.

It is a fact that GT7 has the fewest career events in series history (this is excluding missions/licenses, etc., in all games).

Also, have you considered that some members have stopped playing but still want the game to improve, and so they voice their grievances?

So make a thread titled, 'Everything wrong with GT7' and do it there. This is NOT the thread to do it in!

 

[VolusiaF30]

I think the most obvious evidence that this is a direct port of GTS is that PD did NOT even bother to give us updated group 1-4 race cars. Two of the most obvious examples; The Corvette and Ferrari race cars. Ferrari has moved on from the Italia in GT3 and is racing a Hybrid, yet here we are still racing Gr3 Italias. Chevy doesnt race in GT3, the Group 3 Corvette is just a made up race car from PD, but it is still the C7. Chevy has released a C8 Corvette, yet here we are still driving a nearly decade old fake car.

Ports, from GTS

Considering each car takes months to recreate, I'm surprised you're complaining about ports. If you didn't want any ports at all, you'd be looking at a release date of 2025 for GT7

 

[Yard_Sale]

@Beezer215 Re-read my posts, Allow yourself to employ some critical thinking skills and you’ll see what I meant with how I framed the question

 

[Theufcveteran]

And I'm perfectly entitled to raise issue with low effort hate posts you inaccurately brand 'critiques'.

Is it not a fact that GT7 has the fewest career mode events in the series? Specifically Café/World Circuits events, don’t you think it’s reasonable to expect more when it’s touted as the most complete GT ever? Sure, technically it is, if you count missions and Scapes. But Scapes, while I really like them, are not driving gameplay. So you’re left with missions. Okay, sure, but they’re not the main single player experience, which is the Café.

GT4 trumps 7 in content by quite a long way. 5 year dev time, using Sport as a base, you don’t think more events could and should’ve been made in that time? Remember, the team that models cars is not the same as the devs who create events. Maybe they do some cross-department work now and again but primarily they’re focusing on their thing.

This isn’t a hate post. I love GT and I really enjoy driving in 7, but it lacks content. Compared to its own predecessors. Compared to GT Sport, which was never an SP focused game to begin with, but they added GT League after people asked for more to do.

And you can’t compare post-launch GTS with launch GT7, if anything you should compare end of life Sport to launch GT7 since it’s the next game and should at least have as much content.