Gran Turismo Sport Closed Beta Coming March 17: First the US, Then EU Region

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EDK
Did you get a beta invite yesterday?

If so, get back to us on Saturday.

If not, stop trying to solve it from your keyboard.
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Not for nothing there were people who also didn't have the beta saying its the worst track by watching videos. Me personally I don't like to race TE against the public, but at the same time im not going to blame a track because people cannot adjust properly. No diffrent from the kids I coach in football who want to blame the rain for being mediocre, I tell them im pretty sure our opponents are playing in the same condition. You cannot ignore the fact TE is not the best suit for open public lobby, majority of racers don't care about anything but winning. What do you think the results are going to be? Lets not front either every track I have raced so far there has been issues with other racers. In the end people don't care or take pride for racing clean. If we used Tokyo E as GTP competition I bet the racing would be 20x better. My problem is that PD has to figure out how to punish bad drivers im kinda getting sick of it. @TurismoBad the driving on the Ring for me yesterday was terrible.. Im tired of people using my car to correct their line or the famous ghost right through your car tactics.
 
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EDK
Did you get a beta invite yesterday?

If so, get back to us on Saturday.

If not, stop trying to solve it from your keyboard.
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Can't solve a problem what is located between ears of every driver, same principal is functional all-time.
If between ears is nothing else than "win" then there's no solution at all, no game or rule wil change that behaviour start point, driver who only sees winning of race at all causes his only primary objective will never be acting in good sportsmanship.

And for those persons who aren't totally lost on their way to victory it might be good to remind why there's problems on track, if they reconsider their manners during race.
 
Getting everything set up for Saturday I just opened my garage and this is what I found...
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I will set up the t300 wheel tomorrow. Cleaning and adjusting the rig is already done.
 
TS050
- Try to build up SR to get into clearner lobbies/races

- Obtain high SR, leading to cleaner races

- Race on Tokyo

- SR plummets

- Back with dirty racers

- Build up SR again

- Race on Tokyo again

- SR plummets again

It's a vicious circle.
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I'm not 100% sure but is SR simply cumulative? If so then whilst this will be a threat when you start out, once you progress through enough races I think it will be difficult for any one race to cause a lot of damage. Over time, it should average out well.

You would hope as well that things like this will become self-correctional - if Tokyo gains a reptuation for not allowing as much (or any) side-by-side racing as other tracks, then you would expect players to adjust accordingly. Not everyone and not in every race of course, but in general and over time.

I'm going on just instinct quite a bit here but the way online is designed it seems to me it's intended to be deliberately harsh in the short term, but conversely quite lenient in the long term. Which in theory (and I stress in theory) tries to enforce a clean standard of racing early on, but over time reward players who have gained a certain level of experience, and been generally consistent. My guess is that at least for people on GTPlanet - who I assume in general will have/get more experience than the average player - the fear of bad luck or some rough races seriously halting your progression will be largely unfounded. I hope so anyway!
 
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EDK
A poorly designed race track is a poorly designed race track. That's my point, and while you have seen videos, a lack of personal experience leaves you in a poor position for providing advice.

This notion of "just race clean, it will sort itself out" is ludicrous.

I also have raced with others on all kinds of tracks, including city, on GT4, GT5 and GT6. Yes, GT4, I raced in multiple LAN settings on that game.

When people I respect highly who are respectful of others cannot manage a clean result no matter what approach they try and have sworn the track off, irrespective of their current safety rating, I'm not sure there's much hope for it.

That you are staunchly arguing "just race clean, and it will sort itself out" from the forum without having turned a single wheel here is absurd.

And it amounts to stirring up crap in the forums, which last time I looked, was a form of trolling.
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And I say that it isn't poorly designed. It's a narrow city track and the challenges it provides requires a different approach than when you're racing at other kind of tracks.

I have plenty of experience from tight and clean racing and that puts me in a good position to provide advice. What I can't give advice on is which line that's the fastest, but there is a lot of bad behaviour in many of the videos I've seen and I don't go blind just because I haven't been racing there myself. Not slowing down when there is an incident ahead of you is bad behaviour. Attempting to ram your way through a pile up is bad behaviour. Going multiple cars side by side at full speed through a corner is bad behaviour. Not leaving adequate space to cars next to you is bad behaviour. Not adjusting your speed to the available line is bad behaviour.

And the system will sort itself out with time. Badly behaving drivers will be involved in more incidents than those who fall victim for such behaviour. A single race won't ruin your SR rating beyond repair. Frequently causing havoc will.

If you think that it's trolling when you get provoked by my opinions then that's your problem. I stick to the AUP, so you can keep your trolling accusations to yourself.

Everyone can't like the same tracks, but I'm not accusing you of trolling because you express a different opinion, am I?
 
JDMKING13
Not for nothing there were people who also didn't have the beta saying its the worst track by watching videos. Me personally I don't like to race TE against the public, but at the same time im not going to blame a track because people cannot adjust properly. No diffrent from the kids I coach in football who want to blame the rain for being mediocre, I tell them im pretty sure our opponents are playing in the same condition. You cannot ignore the fact TE is not the best suit for open public lobby, majority of racers don't care about anything but winning. What do you think the results are going to be? Lets not front either every track I have races so far there has been issues with other racers. In the end people don't care or take pride for racing clean. If we used Tokyo E as GTP competition I bet the racing would be 20x better. My problem is that PD has to figure out how to punish bad drivers im kinda getting sick of it. @TurismoBad the driving on the Ring for me yesterday was terrible.. Im tired of people using my car to correct their line or the famous ghost right through you car tactics.
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I agree that an aspect of this issue is the public lobbies. But the other aspect is that one small mistake by one driver in the middle of the pack penalizes the entire field to an extent that is entirely unacceptable. The narrow aspect of the track combined with the speed is to blame. The fact that once a car spins, another cannot hope to clear them, since their car now takes up 75% of the track. And they cannot hope to stop in time to avoid them, because they are going too fast to react in time, not to mention that they will be punted relentlessly and ghosted through by the drivers behind them.

Others have tried comparing this track to SSR5 or SSR11, but those tracks were MUCH wider, you could easily fit 3 car widths across the track, if not more. So if there's a spin, you have a chance of clearing it. Not to mention that there are not an inordinate number of corners which are nearly full throttle and exceptionally high speed, with a tremendous degree of risk due to the narrow nature of the track.

Those are characteristics unique to this track, which make it unsuited for this purpose.

OdeFinn
Can't solve a problem what is located between ears of every driver, same principal is functional all-time.
If between ears is nothing else than "win" then there's no solution at all, no game or rule wil change that behaviour start point, driver who only sees winning of race at all causes his only primary objective will never be acting in good sportsmanship.

And for those persons who aren't totally lost on their way to victory it might be good to remind why there's problems on track, if they reconsider their manners during race.
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This seems to be your tact with me now, you've also told me that the reason I prefer particular aspects of tuning is due to my somehow inferior driving style.

So since you believe I am the problem and there could not possibly be another answer, I guess I'll provide you with my resume.

I've been sim racing here since 2007, initially with GTP_WRS Time Trials, then with LAN Racing on GT4 at multiple events, on GT5 Prologue here in public lobbies but with arranged races using our GTP_Registry, then onto GT5 and GT6, with both Time Trials and online races.

I also race wheel to wheel in real life, I've raced in nearly 30 events over the course of 5 years and have 120+ hours of track experience. In addition, I've run multiple track days in my road car, events run by HDPE organizing bodies. I've never had contact that I've initiated in any of those events, and I have experienced contact exactly twice in the 120+ hours of wheel to wheel. Once I was hit from behind by a car that was 2 back, the second time I was apexed into while fully door to door with another car on the Rahal straight at Laguna Seca. I had a run out of turn 6, fully overlapped, and they decided to turn right into me while attempting to follow a time trial line on their way up the hill. No harm, no foul, not even a mark on the car. But it was contact, nonetheless.

I was here for the public lobby days of Prologue, so I understand that not everyone is going to race clean, there are going to be bad apples. And that was before the days of a penalty system, ghosting system, SR system, or even qualifying. So I know what bad racing can be and how to manage in varying traffic situations.

Based on my experience, I believe I have a reasonably good idea of how to race cleanly. I also have an extensive list of others I have raced with, whom I respect and I know race cleanly first, quickly second. And again, I have yet to hear any of them say that the problem with improving or maintaining your SR at Tokyo lies with the driver and their approach.

It's sort of like saying, "You can win in Vegas, every time. You just need to take this approach and it will work".

I anxiously await your feedback when you have the opportunity to experience the joy of Tokyo for yourself.

Until then, please stop telling me that my problem is me.
 
eran0004
I have plenty of experience from tight and clean racing and that puts me in a good position to provide advice. What I can't give advice on is which line that's the fastest, but there is a lot of bad behaviour in many of the videos I've seen and I don't go blind just because I haven't been racing there myself. Not slowing down when there is an incident ahead of you is bad behaviour. Attempting to ram your way through a pile up is bad behaviour. Going multiple cars side by side at full speed through a corner is bad behaviour. Not leaving adequate space to cars next to you is bad behaviour. Not adjusting your speed to the available line is bad behaviour.
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As do I, see my post here. Quit insinuating that my problem with this is my driving or lack of experience.


eran0004
And the system will sort itself out with time. Badly behaving drivers will be involved in more incidents than those who fall victim for such behaviour. A single race won't ruin your SR rating beyond repair. Frequently causing havoc will.
I?
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But it doesn't, that's the problem. You can improve your safety rating on a variety of other tracks, and come here to have it wiped out in a race. You can try cruising at the back, but you will eventually come upon a slow or recently crashed driver that you will need to clear. You can do everything within your power to keep it safe and clean, but as soon as any car next to you loses it, it's all over with. There's no room to clear the crash, and due to the speed, there's no time to stop.

eran0004
If you think that it's trolling when you get provoked by my opinions then that's your problem. I stick to the AUP, so you can keep your trolling accusations to yourself.

Everyone can't like the same tracks, but I'm not accusing you of trolling because you express a different opinion, am I?
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While you are following the AUP to the letter, I can question whether your posts are well intended. Intent is not something that appears on the surface. And since you lack evidence to support your position, it leaves you in a bit of a tight spot, doesn't it?

You're not only responding to me, you are telling everyone in this thread that there's no problem whatsoever with this track, that they have to change their approach. And as long as they decide that they want to drive cleanly, they will be able to improve their SR at Tokyo and the problem will be self solving.

The beta has been out in relatively wide distribution for 3 weeks, and so far, it hasn't been. The track has been a complete and total disaster area. But you somehow believe that the problem is with every single driver that takes issue with it, and refuse to accept any other position.

Since you are not coming from a position of experience, one can assume you are coming from a position of provocation.
 
doblocruiser
That I didn't think of that :embarrassed: Going to trade in the Germans :lol:
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Unfortunately it doesn't work. You'll get the same cars over and over again. Tried 5 times. Haven't tried it offline. Will try later.

Edit: Offline same. Game needs to start with connection on to verify if your account was accepted for the BETA. Cars are linked to the account. Switching offline afterwards doesn't change anything.
 
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Fredzy
I have to say, watching you and twolaver juke around, dodging the road hazards was pretty entertaining.

It's really less race car driving, more bullet hell type game at that point.

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:) The racing has been more of a dodge the demolition since the update. Here my SR is about to take a hit, ouch. Twolaver hit the car spinning on the high side a second later so, it evened out, lol.

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doblocruiser
Unfortunately it doesn't work. You'll get the same cars over and over again. Tried 5 times. Haven't tried it offline. Will try later.
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The only way it does work is with a second PS4, each PS4 will give you a different car selection. You can also do it to get a different car of the day.
 
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While everyone is complaining about Tokyo. I actually like it. Started the evening at E19 finished the night at D29. With 3 races at Tokyo, 1 at Nurburger and 1 at N. Isle.

I'm definitely not the best driver, but I do my best to avoid causing the contact.
Out of 8 accidents over all. I only lost points for the 1 incident I caused at Nurburger. The other races I had contact it was not my fault and I did my best to avoid it and even let drivers by while still hitting people in the aftermath.

The system is set up to judge sportsmanship and it works IMO.
 
Scaff
Delete the save file and restart. You will get a different set of cars in the garage.

Repeat until happy.
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Thank you for the advice but I guess I'll keep them.
I like the lottery aspect of giving cars to the player. Always liked it.
 
ryzno
While everyone is complaining about Tokyo. I actually like it. Started the evening at E19 finished the night at D29. With 3 races at Tokyo, 1 at Nurburger and 1 at N. Isle.

I'm definitely not the best driver, but I do my best to avoid causing the contact.
Out of 8 accidents over all. I only lost points for the 1 incident I caused at Nurburger. The other races I had contact it was not my fault and I did my best to avoid it and even let drivers by while still hitting people in the aftermath.

The system is set up to judge sportsmanship and it works IMO.
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I`m just going to race my race on online and try and keep a good pace but not go mad with trying overtake, better to let my opponent knock each other off track and see how things go
 
Dynamite_Dave
I`m just going to race my race on online and try and keep a good pace but not go mad with trying overtake, better to let my opponent knock each other off track and see how things go
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:lol: Bro I lost a lot of SR yesterday at the ring so I was desperate and had to enter TE. My qualifying time is bad since I haven't really been focusing on the track so I started 12th alot of the times. Ended up taking 7th once 6th once and last because it was a spin out in the tunnel.
 
EDK
As do I, see my post here. Quit insinuating that my problem with this is my driving or lack of experience.



But it doesn't, that's the problem. You can improve your safety rating on a variety of other tracks, and come here to have it wiped out in a race. You can try cruising at the back, but you will eventually come upon a slow or recently crashed driver that you will need to clear. You can do everything within your power to keep it safe and clean, but as soon as any car next to you loses it, it's all over with. There's no room to clear the crash, and due to the speed, there's no time to stop.


While you are following the AUP to the letter, I can question whether your posts are well intended. Intent is not something that appears on the surface. And since you lack evidence to support your position, it leaves you in a bit of a tight spot, doesn't it?

You're not only responding to me, you are telling everyone in this thread that there's no problem whatsoever with this track, that they have to change their approach. And as long as they decide that they want to drive cleanly, they will be able to improve their SR at Tokyo and the problem will be self solving.

The beta has been out in relatively wide distribution for 3 weeks, and so far, it hasn't been. The track has been a complete and total disaster area. But you somehow believe that the problem is with every single driver that takes issue with it, and refuse to accept any other position.

Since you are not coming from a position of experience, one can assume you are coming from a position of provocation.
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Cars are going side by side way too fast through many of the corners, as is evident due to the amount of contact with walls and with other cars. No matter how offensive you may find it that is driver error. And that is from a position of experience, not provocation.

Failure to slow down when approaching a slower car is also driver error. Just because you didn't have the incident doesn't mean that you should have the right to a free pass at ludicrous speed.

I don't lack evidence to support my position, there are plenty of videos around.
 
eran0004
Cars are going side by side way too fast through many of the corners, as is evident due to the amount of contact with walls and with other cars. No matter how offensive you may find it that is driver error. And that is from a position of experience, not provocation.

Failure to slow down when approaching a slower car is also driver error. Just because you didn't have the incident doesn't mean that you should have the right to a free pass at ludicrous speed.

I don't lack evidence to support my position, there are plenty of videos around.
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But you aren't taking into consideration the bad drivers that don't know how to slow or take a corner without taking people out. You're saying it's our fault, and that's simply not true. I know @EDK is a good clean racer, I've seen him race. There's countless other racers out there that are also clean drivers, like @TNR_5zigen, who have been wrecked by bad drivers and had their SR plummet. I myself lost over 10 SR in one night at Tokyo alone because of accidents that weren't my fault. Every single race. It's really frustrating.
 

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