Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[Samus]

Hmm, it did ad the possibility to become a real race driver? Other than that it added events and cars, so nothing special. And it definitly isnt innovative, as every racing game nowadays offers that...

What does add something to a racing game if the stuff i mentioned somewhere before doesnt? I mean, if even rallying on the moon with a moon buggy doenst add something i dont know what

The possibility to become a real driver was not applicable to the vast majority of players and even then, that didn't make the game any better for them, it was what came after the game that was great for them. I'm not saying GT Academy wasn't a great, innovative project, i'm just saying it added very little to the actual game. They could have gone so much further with it, like replacing the old license tests and using the structure of GTA throughout the whole game.

Like I said, there is a difference between simply adding something new and adding something new and worthwhile. Nobody is going to deny that the moon events were something new, you're just also not likely to find many people who found them a worthwhile addition. They were slow and boring for most, a one-off novelty.

Btw the people looking for news must love this thread

This thread is only full of stuff like this because PD are silent.

 

[DingoDile]

Maybe they should release a game where cars drive humans.

Innovation that excites.

It reminds me of Nike One!

Where is Nike Two?! It was my most anticipated VGT car.

 

[Tornado]

You really can dismiss everything to not being adding something or being not innovative or whatever

But that's not true. Forza's Drivatars were innovative. Forza's Rewind was innovative. GT5's B Spec was innovative in a way completely separate from how GT4's was also innovative. GT6's track editor was innovative. GT5's track generator was innovative. Photo travel was innovative. Even truly awful ideas, like the paint chip system, can be innovative. Even games in the genre that are terrible, like Need For Speed ProStreet, with its autosculpt system and... Unorthodox career structure, can be innovative.




Something like a game getting a licence to use cars from a famous race driver when the series already had cars made famous by that driver over a decade prior is somewhat of a stretch to call innovation just because it was done officially this time.

 

[cutmeamango]

I wish people would have loved the Mario Andretti's "First Love" feature as much as I did. And GTTV.
I need more of that kind of multimedia production and integration innovation.

Kaz should produce GTTV's own Best Motoring copy and an Overhaulin/American Restoration/Biography mash-up series called First Love. Add to that a "Keeping Up with the Kaz" show, so I can follow him around taking pictures at bars and driving cars like in his documentary.

 

[Samus]

I wish people would have loved the Mario Andretti's "First Love" feature as much as I did.

That was a feature?

 

[ron86]

That was a feature?

You could watch how they build up the car in real and than drive it in GT6 - so yes, but depends on how you define feature.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yeah, the whole game seriously SUCKS

To be honest, my life in Gran Turismo consists pretty much solely of testing numerous cars alone on tracks and doing the seasonal time trial and drift events to earn money - so my connection to the AI isnt the biggest one.
And you know what? That car testing thing is what keeps me playing GT for years - an A-Spec mode just lasts as so long as it lasts.

But better AI surely is important for future GTs. I just dont have the same amount of rage about that as you guys have.

What rage are you referring to? I only see people discussing the GT series. Interesting though that your main activity in GT is the same thing that is available in every single racing game...driving and testing cars.

 

[PzR Slim]

What rage are you referring to? I only see people discussing the GT series. Interesting though that your main activity in GT is the same thing that is available in every single racing game...driving and testing cars.

Indeed and in many of those games it looks, feels and sounds better.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

I am sorry for annoying you, in german we write quotes with the beginning symbol on the downside (,,) and the ending one on the upper side (") - didnt know its different in english.

I understand now. 👍

That's how quotation marks are written in German and Austrian.

If you have a problem with people having critical opinions regarding GT (and it seems you do, judging by the "worst place" comment), I suggest looking for an appropriate echo chamber of yes-men.

a) Where the hell did you get the idea that I had a problem with his opinion? That attack was unwarranted. All I was doing was expressing my annoyance at a grammar mistake.
b) If you haven't noticed, I've been critical of GT at several points too. I don't take issue with people having negative opinions of it.

Anyway, I'm not going to be dragged into the conversation on this thread.

 

[PzR Slim]

I understand now. 👍



a) Where the hell did you get the idea that I had a problem with his opinion? That attack was unwarranted. All I was doing was expressing my annoyance at a grammar mistake.
b) If you haven't noticed, I've been critical of GT at several points too. I don't take issue with people having negative opinions of it.

Anyway, I'm not going to be dragged into the conversation on this thread.

I think you may have the wrong end of the stick

I believe Slip was referring to ron86 having a problem with other people's opinion.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

a) Where the hell did you get the idea that I had a problem with his opinion? That attack was unwarranted. All I was doing was expressing my annoyance at a grammar mistake.
b) If you haven't noticed, I've been critical of GT at several points too. I don't take issue with people having negative opinions of it.

Anyway, I'm not going to be dragged into the conversation on this thread.

Let's see here:

• Not an attack.
• Not directed at you, as I had just tagged the person it was a response to (which you've conveniently cut out of the quote).
• Not directed at you, as I've quoted a comment from the person it was a response to (a comment that you yourself did not make).

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

Let's see here:

• Not an attack.
• Not directed at you, as I had just tagged the person it was a response to (which you've conveniently cut out of the quote).
• Not directed at you, as I've quoted a comment from the person it was a response to (a comment that you yourself did not make).

Ah, well the fact that it was below my quote confused me. My apologies.

 

[ron86]

Indeed and in many of those games it looks, feels and sounds better.

No other game has 1200+ cars (or 800 or whatever without duplicates) and the track selection is great too.

The physics are also great (played GTR Evo a few weeks ago, didnt know a bmw gt3 can start with smoking tires from a still stand with 5th gear, so much to the realism of the praised PC sim ) and the graphics are fine enough. Even after playing driveclub GT6 looks still good.

And its the only game i've played where replays look great, the camera views and the realistic car behavior! PCars and Dirt Rally dont come close!

The sound isnt too bad for me. Sure, it lacks punch, pops and more roughness but its far away from keeping me away from all the things GT6 does great!

 

[ImaRobot]

The physics are also great (played GTR Evo a few weeks ago, didnt know a bmw gt3 can start with smoking tires from a still stand with 5th gear, so much to the realism of the praised PC sim ) and the graphics are fine enough. Even after playing driveclub GT6 looks still good.

Is this to assume that you think that GT doesn't have similarly odd instances in it's physics engine? You'd be wrong to assume that.

 

[PzR Slim]

No other game has 1200+ cars (or 800 or whatever without duplicates) and the track selection is great too.

The physics are also great (played GTR Evo a few weeks ago, didnt know a bmw gt3 can start with smoking tires from a still stand with 5th gear, so much to the realism of the praised PC sim ) and the graphics are fine enough. Even after playing driveclub GT6 looks still good.

And its the only game i've played where replays look great, the camera views and the realistic car behavior! PCars and Dirt Rally dont come close!

The sound isnt too bad for me. Sure, it lacks punch, pops and more roughness but its far away from keeping me away from all the things GT6 does great!

Like I said previously, none so blind as those who don't want to see.

The only thing that GT6 has got from that over many games out there is the 800 cars. However, whe the physics model is so lacking you can have as many cars as you like

 

[ron86]

Its ok, feel free to think different.

I love it how everybody here jumps on you when you dare to write something positive about Gran Turismo - here, in a Gran Turismo forum

 

[PzR Slim]

Its ok, feel free to think different.

I love it how everybody here jumps on you when you dare to write something positive about Gran Turismo - here, in a Gran Turismo forum

Yep and despite the fact that many people on these boards feel that way about the current state of GT you fail to grasp that something might just be wrong

 

[ImaRobot]

Its ok, feel free to think different.

I love it how everybody here jumps on you when you dare to write something positive about Gran Turismo - here, in a Gran Turismo forum

It's less about the fact of you going for GT, and more so that you're just nitpicking for the sake of praising something else. If physics problems is something you point out on one game, its just very odd that you ignore the very many in the other.

 

[sems4arsenal]

The point is that despite the initial will, there is more than one developer that had to renounce underway. Presumably, PD just cannot afford to. And the induced massive time consuming optimisation could explain we haven't heard much about the game recently. Never considered waiting till E3 like a major problem in the first place; but the recent string of events got me slightly worried.

This is a complete guess but I'm willing to bet Kaz always asked for better hardware, they got an extra core so they're trying to make the best of that, then they probably saw the PS4K and decided nope let's wait and see what we can do with that.

 

[ron86]

One question, as nearly every other racing game out there seems to have better physics, sounds and graphics - why do you still bother about Gran Turismo?
Those other games seems to lack somehow when you keep staying in the Gran Turismo forum

 

[ImaRobot]

One question, as nearly every other racing game out there seems to have better physics, sounds and graphics - why are you still bother about Gran Turismo?
Those other games seems to lack somehow when you keep staying in the Gran Turismo forum

I like games, with cars, that's why.

 

[ron86]

I like games, with cars, that's why.

But i guess those other, superior games have cars too?
I mean, GT wont ever be as good as those PC sims, assetto corsa, forza and whatnot.

 

[ImaRobot]

But i guess those other, superior games have cars too?

Yes, so I'll play them also. Why are you treating this like its some sort of marriage? It's so odd.

 

[JKgo]

....I get a ton of alerts so I rush here hoping for a new news, and then get greeted by.... this.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

One question, as nearly every other racing game out there seems to have better physics, sounds and graphics - why do you still bother about Gran Turismo?
Those other games seems to lack somehow when you keep staying in the Gran Turismo forum

Are you seriously asking this question?

Lots of people enjoy the Gran Turismo series. Plenty want to see it do well, and some of them play other games. In addition to Gran Turismo.

This sad one-or-the-other attitude is what doesn't help the genre.

 

[Eh Team]

Its ok, feel free to think different.

I love it how everybody here jumps on you when you dare to write something positive about Gran Turismo - here, in a Gran Turismo forum

Well, when I step back and look at console sim-racers as a whole, really the only thing Gran Turismo is best for (when PSN isn't on life support) is hosting serious online races. Any one of the other sims/games does the other things that are core to this genre better. So it's kind of hard to not in the very least be constructively criticizing the game while discussing it because there are known flaws in it.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

But i guess those other, superior games have cars too?
I mean, GT wont ever be as good as those PC sims, assetto corsa, forza and whatnot.

Yes, so I'll play them also. Why are you treating this like its some sort of marriage? It's so odd.

Although again I don't want to really get deep into this conversation, I will say that I agree with @ImaRobot. I have both GT6 and FM6, and they're both great games that play to each other's strengths and weaknesses pretty well. If I want the type of experience Forza aims for, I'll play that. If I want the type of experience GT aims for, I'll play that. While I'm a GT diehard at heart, that doesn't mean I can't enjoy other sims just as much. It's dumb to act like people should only pick one.

 

[ron86]

Although again I don't want to really get deep into this conversation, I will say that I agree with @ImaRobot. I have both GT6 and FM6, and they're both great games that play to each other's strengths and weaknesses pretty well. If I want the type of experience Forza aims for, I'll play that. If I want the type of experience GT aims for, I'll play that. While I'm a GT diehard at heart, that doesn't mean I can't enjoy other sims just as much. It's dumb to act like people should only pick one.

People shouldnt only pick one. I bought pcars and dirt rally myself too.

What i not get is that people write like everything about GT is bad and other games are superior in every way - and than write here in the GT forum instead of just having fun discussing their superior games in their forums!! Whats the point of riding a self declaired (dont know if the right word) dead horse?

I mean, i dont go to the PCars forum and spam it with things i dont like about the game - because i dont like it that much, i dont play it and dont write about it - why should i? Just to piss off people who like the game?

 

[Pillo-san]

Hm, I don't understand how somebody could defend GT 6 as innovative this day and age. Okey, if you own a ps3 and that is the only game you have then it is a good game. But, when I bought it last year I think it was, I was fairly disappointed. I have been playing GT since the beginning and the highpoint for me with GT series was gt3/gt4. But when playing GT6 it felt a like playing GT4 but with some extremely nice cosmetics plastered on some cars. Night racing was an awesome addition though but as a racing game it was so bad that I only used the game as a time trail session game because both online mode and single player mode was so bad, I thought I was back in 1980s.

My personal opinion is that PD are just enjoining life and doing nothing until they announce a game in the series and then when it is like about one to two years to the release of the game they start to polish and ad newer stuff into the old game so that they can call it a new game.

I remember when Kaz was so proud about the new car/engine sounds that they recorded for GT4. I was so hyped but when I got to play it I almost threw the game into the bin. But because the missions where so good and the game so large I just could not stop even though the sounds were rubbish.

Lets hope that the new games GTS/GT7 are new and do not include stuff like GT vision crap and Moon driving. A gts should be a racing game and gt7 should let me enjoy every car possible with premium models and good sounds, good AI with proper racing and a good non buggy online mode.

 

[Pillo-san]

Hmm, I dont know what happened, double post though.

Hm, I don't understand how somebody could defend GT 6 as innovative this day and age. Okey, if you own a ps3 and that is the only game you have then it is a good game. But, when I bought it last year I think it was, I was fairly disappointed. I have been playing GT since the beginning and the highpoint for me with GT series was gt3/gt4. But when playing GT6 it felt a like playing GT4 but with some extremely nice cosmetics plastered on some cars. Night racing was an awesome addition though but as a racing game it was so bad that I only used the game as a time trail session game because both online mode and single player mode was so bad, I thought I was back in 1980s.

My personal opinion is that PD are just enjoining life and doing nothing until they announce a game in the series and then when it is like about one to two years to the release of the game they start to polish and ad newer stuff into the old game so that they can call it a new game.

I remember when Kaz was so proud about the new car/engine sounds that they recorded for GT4. I was so hyped but when I got to play it I almost threw the game into the bin. But because the missions where so good and the game so large I just could not stop even though the sounds were rubbish.

Lets hope that the new games GTS/GT7 are new and do not include stuff like GT vision crap and Moon driving. A gts should be a racing game and gt7 should let me enjoy every car possible with premium models and good sounds, good AI with proper racing and a good non buggy online mode.