Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[FoRiZon]

The thing is, you "constructive criticism discussion" guys are destroying the GT forum.

For example: When i join an oldtimer club i am not interested the meet guys there who will constantly try to discuss how much better newer cars are and whatnot. Thats not what you wanna have in a place dedicated to one thing.

So let me guess. Its like that "Continuous Cycle of Pessimism" on Youtube Drama, but this time its in GTP.

Also yes, this is my first ever post here for months. I seldom check here because it does gives me a wrong impression on GTP everytime i did. Also honestly, I am apathetic in GTSport development at this point. All I say is that you can enjoy the game you want, be it GT, Forza, PCars, or anything. Just dont be a whiteknight about it.

 

[another_jakhole]

"Whiteknight"-ing it already? It would have been infinitely better if you didn't take the time to take that last snipe from out of your treasure chess.

 

[Imari]

The thing is, you "constructive criticism discussion" guys are destroying the GT forum.

For example: When i join an oldtimer club i am not interested the meet guys there who will constantly try to discuss how much better newer cars are and whatnot. Thats not what you wanna have in a place dedicated to one thing.

Maybe that's what you want out of an oldtimer's club, but it's not what everyone wants.

For example, I belong to an MX5 owners club. I and many other members own the original MX5, and I think it's fair to say that pretty much all members appreciate that model as being the start of a wonderful model line.

We all think the MX5 is a great car, but we're all absolutely aware that it has areas in which it can be improved. In fact, if you go along to a casual meetup night you'll find that half of the discussion is people appreciating other people's cars, and the other half is people swapping ideas and information about how to improve the cars.

They'll talk about how the early roofs with the plastic window were a bad design and have pretty much all failed by now and the best way to replace them. They'll talk about the lack of chassis rigidity and the best ways to address that, some of which became standard from the factory on later models. They'll talk about coolant rerouting, because the stock cooling flow is badly designed and will overheat if you push the car hard for a decent period of time. That the seats provide limited lateral support for hard driving. And so on and so on.

And these are great discussions to have for a lot of people, who enjoy and appreciate their cars but also understand their limitations and want to talk about how they could be made better. There's the odd person who turns up and thinks that the car is perfect and shouldn't be messed with, but they tend to get bored as they really have nothing useful to add to any discussion and so they stop turning up to meetings.

On the other hand, there are people who intentionally keep their cars completely stock knowing the sacrifices that entails, because that's the driving experience that they want. That's just fine, and they're interesting people to talk to because they have an appreciation of the shortcomings of the car but they live with them anyway.

I think there's little value in a forum where it's simply an echo chamber of people yelling "GT is great!". Of far greater value is a forum of people who have at some point been touched by the magic of GT, and can discuss the pros and cons of the various chapters of the game intelligently and respectfully.

 

[ron86]

Oh and GT Planet is not dedicated to one thing.

.... but the "gran-turismo-sport-general-discussion thread" in the GT Sport forum is... or should be at least...

to the rest: Your "constructive criticism" isnt really "constructive criticism" - its like me driving with my mustang (not that i own one) to a camaro meet and telling everyone how much better my mustang is - i guess thats rather considered trolling than constructive criticism.

Again, this post sums it up perfectly:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/taking-the-fun-out-of-gran-turismo-and-shoving-it.323269/

 

[Samus]

.... but the "gran-turismo-sport-general-discussion thread" in the GT Sport forum is... or should be at least...

to the rest: Your "constructive criticism" isnt really "constructive criticism" - its like me driving with my mustang (not that i own one) to a camaro meet and telling everyone how much better my mustang is - i guess thats rather considered trolling than constructive criticism.

Again, this post sums it up perfectly:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/taking-the-fun-out-of-gran-turismo-and-shoving-it.323269/

So how does that analogy work when we're only talking about the downsides of GT and not mentioning any competitors? Is for example my criticism of the OTT night sky in GT6 trolling, even though I posted evidence to support it?

 

[Imari]

.... but the "gran-turismo-sport-general-discussion thread" in the GT Sport forum is... or should be at least...

to the rest: Your "constructive criticism" isnt really "constructive criticism" - its like me driving with my mustang (not that i own one) to a camaro meet and telling everyone how much better my mustang is - i guess thats rather considered trolling than constructive criticism.

Again, this post sums it up perfectly:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/taking-the-fun-out-of-gran-turismo-and-shoving-it.323269/

We're in a thread for the next entry in the Gran Turismo franchise, and we have no information to talk about.

What could be more natural than talking about what we would like to see in that next game? And wouldn't it be sensible to look at areas that the previous games are lacking? Or to see what things are in other games that we might like to see in Gran Turismo? It gets a bit dull if all everyone says is "I want the next Gran Turismo to be exactly like the last Gran Turismo".

I think you're starting to take this all a little bit too personally. You're not the game that you play.

 

[jm79]

God I hope we get some news this week, and not some E3 countdown trailer or whatever.

Although the 'max one or two week or so' reply from the FB chap recently is so full of SOON it hurts.

 

[ron86]

So how does that analogy work when we're only talking about the downsides of GT and not mentioning any competitors? Is for example my criticism of the OTT night sky in GT6 trolling, even though I posted evidence to support it?

No it isnt, there is more to divide than black and white.
(But i wonder if other games are criticised for not having realistic light polution too. The same with damage, everybody blames GT for not having a proper damage model and the exact same guys are hyping assetto corsa for being the best sim out there - which doesnt have a proper damage model either...
....btw PCars and Dirt Rally's damage model isnt good too...)

 

[Samus]

No it isnt, there is more to divide than black and white.
(But i wonder if other games are criticised for not having realistic light polution too. The same with damage, everybody blames GT for not having a proper damage model and the exact same guys are hyping assetto corsa for being the best sim out there - which doesnt have a proper damage model either...
....btw PCars and Dirt Rally's damage model isnt good too...)

I don't know, I don't browse the forums for those games, but I would imagine so. Have you been on any and seen that it isn't the case? I was a member of the pCARS development forum and I can assure you I gave plenty of feedback on stuff I thought was bad, funnily enough damage was on thing I kept talking about because you're right, it's not great. That doesn't automatically mean we can let GT off though, that wanders into the "Well X is just as bad" territory, which is not a good rebuttal to any argument.

The only reason I mentioned the stars was because someone posted the video again. That is how a discussion forum works, I wouldn't have randomly brought it up otherwise just for the sake of it. If I did somehow end up in a thread about Forza 6 and a similar video was posted I would probably comment on it being unrealistic if it was, sure. As is it I don't own FM6 so very rarely look at any forums related to it, nor would I know how they do or don't display the night sky.

I really don't know what you want or expect in these forums? You either have to accept there are flaws in every game and that they'll be discussed or feel aggrieved whenever they're brought up.

 

[Scaff]

.... but the "gran-turismo-sport-general-discussion thread" in the GT Sport forum is... or should be at least...

Why should it be and why do you get to make that decision?

That's aside from the fact that the discussion is predominantly about GT, what you actually seem to want is a place in which only GT is discussed and only the positive of GT is discussed, now if that is the case I can quite categorically state that GT Planet is never going to be that.

to the rest: Your "constructive criticism" isnt really "constructive criticism" - its like me driving with my mustang (not that i own one) to a camaro meet and telling everyone how much better my mustang is - i guess thats rather considered trolling than constructive criticism.

No its not, its like going to a Camaro meet and discussing what is both good and bad with the Camero and only bringing in other cars if and when its relevant to the discussion.

No it isnt, there is more to divide than black and white.
(But i wonder if other games are criticised for not having realistic light polution too. The same with damage, everybody blames GT for not having a proper damage model and the exact same guys are hyping assetto corsa for being the best sim out there - which doesnt have a proper damage model either...
....btw PCars and Dirt Rally's damage model isnt good too...)

And here's the interesting part.

Those issues do get brought up in the sub-forums for those titles (I know for a fact that damage has been discussed in both the PCars and Dirt ones), the difference is that two things happen.

The first is that the issues are quite quickly broadly agreed on and the second is it then gets discussed.

No drama is made around it, take for example frame rate drops in pCars or screen tear in Dirt; it gets accepted and pretty much every one goes "yep its an issue and I really hope they patch /etc. it for the next version. What you don't tend to get is members blinding refusing to accept its even happening despite quite clear proof of it happing being shown.

I have to say that in my time here at GT Planet that is a trait that seems almost exclusive to the GT forums.

 

[FoRiZon]

"Whiteknight"-ing it already? It would have been infinitely better if you didn't take the time to take that last snipe from out of your treasure chess.

The whiteknight part are not referred to the person who likes it, having different opinion than others, or having slight bit of optimism; but rather the game itself aka the object which at this point you shouldnt take this personally.

Like In the Dodge Aries Thread, whatever you have some optimism or fun on the current game is irrelevant. You thought GT is still the best game for you? Fine. Several people may question you whatever you had try other games. But again, its fine. Just dont twist facts or persist other people to be agreed with you in the process. Its pointless at best.

Notice I dont fully disagreed to the ones I quoted, and also the "whiteknight" once refers to anybody, both on optimistic and pessimistic crowd (latter I can call "dark night"?). I do complain by often about how GTP isn't as much fun as I used to be and people getting cynical and such. But its just my opinion and hell, what can I do more about it? I just left, thats it.

And about the GT6 and GTSport, I dont think the former is so horrible is not worth playing or anything. Its just the development is a true hell. 8 whole years of Next gen era GT (since GT5 Prologue) and since then its really slow and felt disconected to audience We forgave the majority of car sounds being not good, the Standard Cars, and among other things since GT5. 6 years later? It felt like only small part of it that applied. Forget comparing the development to Turn 10. Even with the Evolution Studios, Sony’s other child, is far ahead of PD' s.

And not to mention the ambiguity that is GTSport trailer, leading to speculation, meme images, rambling, etc for 190 pages like there is no direction for months and what did PD did (officially, not some FB Chat crap that cant be verified its authenticity)? Literally NOTHING. People just spiralled on ambiguity for months and 190 pages on a single trailer and nothing more. I had enough life priorities and problems than worked up by that, honestly.

TL;DR: GT6 is not bad. But much better and suited to audience if it developed better. I expect better.

 

[FoRiZon]

Double

 

[Johnnypenso]

No it isnt, there is more to divide than black and white.
(But i wonder if other games are criticised for not having realistic light polution too. The same with damage, everybody blames GT for not having a proper damage model and the exact same guys are hyping assetto corsa for being the best sim out there - which doesnt have a proper damage model either...
....btw PCars and Dirt Rally's damage model isnt good too...)

There isn't nearly as much discussion on Dirt or AC for that matter simply because they are pc only and the number of people playing it is small. I expect it'll pick up dramatically when AC hits consoles. I do know, however, that in the AC forum, in several threads, there is honest and frank discussion about the shortcomings of the game. In the mean time there's PCars which is available on console.

Here's 778 posts whinging and crying about the faults in the game, which are many.
Here's 1749 Posts of Glitches, Bugs and Errors
Describe PCars in one word thread (Samples - Disappointing, buggy, unfinished, unplayable, fiasco)

Shall I go on?

 

[ron86]

Why should it be and why do you get to make that decision?

Why should it be? Maybe because the title of the "gran-turismo-sport-general-discussion thread" suggests discussions about GT Sport? And the forum this thread can be found in is the GT Sport Section of the forum?

That's aside from the fact that the discussion is predominantly about GT, what you actually seem to want is a place in which only GT is discussed and only the positive of GT is discussed, now if that is the case I can quite categorically state that GT Planet is never going to be that.




No its not, its like going to a Camaro meet and discussing what is both good and bad with the Camero and only bringing in other cars if and when its relevant to the discussion.

Its more like "hey, your camaros suspensions are way too soft, look, my mustang ones are much better.... and you know, your camaro is crap, they cant even get the speedo right (reference to "flawed top speed physics), shows 10 mph more at 150 mph - the camaro is absolutely broken, dont get it right since nearly 50 years, what a bunch of lazy ass fools they are at chevrolet, lets blame the boss of chevrolet for it and start a petition that he should gives his job to someone competent..... whereas my mustang is way better..."

And here's the interesting part.

Those issues do get brought up in the sub-forums for those titles (I know for a fact that damage has been discussed in both the PCars and Dirt ones), the difference is that two things happen.

The first is that the issues are quite quickly broadly agreed on and the second is it then gets discussed.

No drama is made around it, take for example frame rate drops in pCars or screen tear in Dirt; it gets accepted and pretty much every one goes "yep its an issue and I really hope they patch /etc. it for the next version. What you don't tend to get is members blinding refusing to accept its even happening despite quite clear proof of it happing being shown.

I have to say that in my time here at GT Planet that is a trait that seems almost exclusive to the GT forums.

The sound makes the music. (I dont know if thats a proverb in english, its atleast one in german)

To me it looks like its a bit different on the diverse forums.

For example:

PCars forum about FPS drops: "yep its an issue and I really hope they patch /etc it for the next version"

vs

GT forum about FPS drops: "lazy PD cant even get a stable 60 fps whereas T10 manages it on weaker hardware - PD really suck at programming, always want to push the hardware beyond its limits and end up with a ****ed up game, its KAZ that is to blame for that, Codemasters do their games at 720p with around 30 fps, thats way better, they know how to program, the same with PCars, the framerate is way more stable. And yeah, the sound of GT is soooo bad, all those vacuum cleaners, OMG KAZ really have to retire, GT6 is the exact same game as GT1, there is not one difference!!! And standard cars, puh, how can they still use car models from GT3?!!! I mean, i play the game from bumper view but that doenst change the fact that i always have in mind when i would take my time to look at the lazy ass standard cars in photomode i would see all those ugly jaggies. And hey, 2D trees? C'mon PD, get your game right maaan. Oh and yeah, the top speed physics are soooo wrong, cant even play the game anymore knowing that some cars are way faster on the 10km long straight at the test track. And 1200 cars? HA! Thats a lie! Without the duplicates it are just around 800 or so original one - pff ridiculous!! And not to forget: All the other games are way better, since generations, i quitted playing GT years ago because its such bad (but somehow still write in the dedicated GT section every day )!!!!!"


You see the difference? At least thats how the difference seem to me!

 

[Samus]

You keep bringing up the comparison metaphor but that doesn't apply when nobody is making a comparison. FYI it was someone defending PD by bringing up competitors they believed were worse the last time I recall it happened in this thread.

As for the rest of the post to me it just seems like you only see that criticism for GT because for some reason it personally affects you, or you just don't visit the forums for the other games as much. People definitely trash pCARS in a similar way on various forums including this one, I even see the comparative bashing of the developer, saying that it's another Shift 2, Ian Bell is a liar etc etc.

You're just seeing what you want to see, or not as it is.

 

[FoRiZon]

There isn't nearly as much discussion on Dirt or AC for that matter simply because they are pc only and the number of people playing it is small. I expect it'll pick up dramatically when AC hits consoles. In the mean time there's PCars which is available on console.

Here's 778 posts whinging and crying about the faults in the game, which are many.
Here's 1749 Posts of Glitches, Bugs and Errors
Describe PCars in one word thread (Samples - Disappointing, buggy, unfinished, unplayable, fiasco)

Shall I go on?

I ahould add that GTSport seems to be more in numbers because:

1. The title of the forum itself is GT Planet. "Covering the world of Gran Turismo".
2. The main reason people going in here is Gran Turismo. Games like Forza and PCars has their own forums.
3. GT6 is on PS3 which most people in the world can afford on. Other new games are on the next gen. Not to mention speculating about it (even if GTSport is in PS4) is free.

In addition, dont be surprised if some people got a GT Bias at some time. Its normal, this is GTSport main thread after all.

 

[Scaff]

Why should it be? Maybe because the title of the "gran-turismo-sport-general-discussion thread" suggests discussions about GT Sport? And the forum this thread can be found in is the GT Sport Section of the forum?

So repeating a question that has already been answered helps in what way?

Its more like "hey, your camaros suspensions are way too soft, look, my mustang ones are much better.... and you know, your camaro is crap, they cant even get the speedo right (reference to "flawed top speed physics), shows 10 mph more at 150 mph - the camaro is absolutely broken, dont get it right since nearly 50 years, what a bunch of lazy ass fools they are at chevrolet, lets blame the boss of chevrolet for it and start a petition that he should gives his job to someone competent..... whereas my mustang is way better..."

I suspect someone doesn't like constructive anything.

The sound makes the music. (I dont know if thats a proverb in english, its atleast one in german)

To me it looks like its a bit different on the diverse forums.

For example:

PCars forum about FPS drops: "yep its an issue and I really hope they patch /etc it for the next version"

vs

GT forum about FPS drops: "lazy PD cant even get a stable 60 fps whereas T10 manages it on weaker hardware - PD really suck at programming, always want to push the hardware beyond its limits and end up with a ****ed up game, its KAZ that is to blame for that, Codemasters do their games at 720p with around 30 fps, thats way better, they know how to program, the same with PCars, the framerate is way more stable. And yeah, the sound of GT is soooo bad, all those vacuum cleaners, OMG KAZ really have to retire, GT6 is the exact same game as GT1, there is not one difference!!! And standard cars, puh, how can they still use car models from GT3?!!! I mean, i play the game from bumper view but that doenst change the fact that i always have in mind when i would take my time to look at the lazy ass standard cars in photomode i would see all those ugly jaggies. And hey, 2D trees? C'mon PD, get your game right maaan. Oh and yeah, the top speed physics are soooo wrong, cant even play the game anymore knowing that some cars are way faster on the 10km long straight at the test track. And 1200 cars? HA! Thats a lie! Without the duplicates it are just around 800 or so original one - pff ridiculous!! And not to forget: All the other games are way better, since generations, i quitted playing GT years ago because its such bad (but somehow still write in the dedicated GT section every day )!!!!!"


You see the difference? At least thats how the difference seem to me!

It would seem that says far more about you than anything else.

Particularly given that some of the above are perfectly valid issues to raise that you seem to want to not have discussed.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Its more like "hey, your camaros suspensions are way too soft, look, my mustang ones are much better.... and you know, your camaro is crap, they cant even get the speedo right (reference to "flawed top speed physics), shows 10 mph more at 150 mph - the camaro is absolutely broken, dont get it right since nearly 50 years, what a bunch of lazy ass fools they are at chevrolet, lets blame the boss of chevrolet for it and start a petition that he should gives his job to someone competent..... whereas my mustang is way better..."

Again, you analogy is way off. It's more like, "Hey, your Camaro's suspension is way too soft."
"No it's not, it's the best suspension ever made and the best built and fastest car ever."
"Care to prove it on the track, I have a Mustang here that'll whoop you"
"Oh you guys, you always want to race on the track to prove things, why can't you just believe me? I'm just going to keep saying Camaro is the best over and over until everyone believe me and I'm never going to engage in a silly race to prove it"

Same thing applies to the PCars discussion about frame rate drops. Difference between the PCars forum and the GT forum is that everyone pretty much agrees there is an issue with framerates. No one pops up and says that SMS did a great job with the framerates and they are fine and solid 60 (unless they are on a good pc of course) and there are no frame rate drops and you can't see any tearing. A related issue happened early on in the game with ghosting in replays on console. Some people said they didn't have the issue, some did, and it was argued back and forth for some time and eventually SMS arranged a fix of some sort. What I don't recall was anyone saying, "ghosting doesn't exist you are all making it up", but if they did I guarantee you they'd have been torn to shreds.

 

[ron86]

So repeating a question that has already been answered helps in what way?



I suspect someone doesn't like constructive anything.



It would seem that says far more about you than anything else.

Particularly given that some of the above are perfectly valid issues to raise that you seem to want to not have discussed.

Its about the difference of the way people are posting their gripes.

But once again and again, it leads to nothing to further discuss that. I know it was me who started that again. ("Why" i dont even know for myself)

Again, you analogy is way off. It's more like, "Hey, your Camaro's suspension is way too soft."
"No it's not, it's the best suspension ever made and the best built and fastest car ever."
"Care to prove it on the track, I have a Mustang here that'll whoop you"
"Oh you guys, you always want to race on the track to prove things, why can't you just believe me? I'm just going to keep saying Camaro is the best over and over until everyone believe me and I'm never going to engage in a silly race to prove it"

Same thing applies to the PCars discussion about frame rate drops. Difference between the PCars forum and the GT forum is that everyone pretty much agrees there is an issue with framerates. No one pops up and says that SMS did a great job with the framerates and they are fine and solid 60 (unless they are on a good pc of course) and there are no frame rate drops and you can't see any tearing. A related issue happened early on in the game with ghosting in replays on console. Some people said they didn't have the issue, some did, and it was argued back and forth for some time and eventually SMS arranged a fix of some sort. What I don't recall was anyone saying, "ghosting doesn't exist you are all making it up", but if they did I guarantee you they'd have been torn to shreds.

I never said that Gt doesnt have FPS drops. Surely it has! But its just that it doesnt bother me. The same with PCars, the FPS drops just didnt bother me.

 

[Johnnypenso]

I ahould add that GTSport seems to be more in numbers because:

1. The title of the forum itself is GT Planet. "Covering the world of Gran Turismo".
2. The main reason people going in here is Gran Turismo. Games like Forza and PCars has their own forums.
3. GT6 is on PS3 which most people in the world can afford on. Other new games are on the next gen. Not to mention speculating about it (even if GTSport is in PS4) is free.

In addition, dont be surprised if some people got a GT Bias at some time. Its normal, this is GTSport main thread after all.

And this is a good example of why it's so difficult to have an intelligent and frank discussion with GT white knights. You make a query about the PCars Forum and criticisms there. I do the research, provide the links to respond to your query. You quote my post but don't acknowledge my response or the links at all. You simply ignore the evidence I provided that there is plenty of criticism on the PCars Forum and make some response that makes zero sense to me in context.

 

[Samus]

But its just that it doesnt bother me.

But it does bother you that it bothers other people? If it doesn't bother you then that is fine, no skin off my nose, but why get into discussions with people who are bothered? You acknowledge it exists, so why aren't these people free to discuss it, and say it bothers them, while you just ignore it?

It just seems like you do not like to see any criticism if it's not something that you see as an issue.

In addition, dont be surprised if some people got a GT Bias at some time. Its normal, this is GTSport main thread after all.

Likewise don't be surprised if that bias is challenged by those who aren't.

 

[super_gt]

Oh and yeah, the top speed physics are soooo wrong, cant even play the game anymore knowing that some cars are way faster on the 10km long straight at the test track.

Speed difference over 30km/h at the Nordschleife

 

[Imari]

You see the difference? At least thats how the difference seem to me!

You know where a lot of the difference comes from?

In response to people who attempt to excuse or deny that there are problems in response to them being raised.

Prime examples: People saying that GT5 or 6 are a smooth 60fps. They aren't.
People saying that the PS3 hardware isn't capable of 60fps. It is.

In response to these, people tend to start to bring in examples from other games to demonstrate. X360 is similar hardware to PS3 and was capable of 60fps in what is in many ways a very similar game, and if you're one of the people that can see variable frame rates the difference is substantial.

If you're not one of those people, then there are videos like the Digital Foundry/Eurogamer ones to give it to you in numbers and graphs.

I still think you're taking all this far too personally. Gran Turismo has a few areas in which it's objectively not a very good game, and a lot of areas where it's subjectively not a very good game. Discussing those is fine, and if people try to deny that they're issues or that it's possible to make a game any other way then referencing other titles to show them how they're wrong is fine too.

Don't get me wrong, there are incoherent idiots on both sides of the fence, and there's absolutely people who just scream wildly that Gran Turismo is the worst franchise ever and that playing it will give you rabies, syphilis and the trots, but they're idiots. They're pretty rare, and you shouldn't pay attention to them, just as you probably shouldn't pay attention to anyone who claims that Gran Turismo is the greatest racing game in the entire world, always will be and will both cure your cancer and make you sexually irresistible to your partner of choice.

Dumb people will be dumb, and you just have to learn to tune them out (or ignore them, or report them) and focus on the rational discussion that's being had.

Or you could throw your toys and scream at the top of your lungs that everyone should stop being mean to Britney, but that probably won't get you very far.

 

[Soundtrack]

I can not imagine how discussions will turn in the eventuality of Gran Turismo offering more than marginally different experiences between Base and Neo users. Are the administrators considering a split and specific sub forums?

 

[JKgo]

Neo users

....They already have a forum to go and... do stuff. It's called a *wink* NeoGAF...

Don't get me wrong, there are incoherent idiots on both sides of the fence, and there's absolutely people who just scream wildly that Gran Turismo is the worst franchise ever and that playing it will give you rabies, syphilis and the trots, but they're idiots. They're pretty rare, and you shouldn't pay attention to them, just as you probably shouldn't pay attention to anyone who claims that Gran Turismo is the greatest racing game in the entire world, always will be and will both cure your cancer and make you sexually irresistible to your partner of choice.

@Imari for president.

 

[Furinkazen]

PCars forum about FPS drops: "yep its an issue and I really hope they patch /etc it for the next version"

Yes because on SMS forums if you say more than that you get banned for insulting Saint Ian Of Bell.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Yes because on SMS forums if you say more than that you get banned for insulting Saint Ian Of Bell.

I believe he was talking about the PCars Forum here at GTP but your point is well made. GTP is a forum that encourages open discussion and we should all be thankful for that!

I can not imagine how discussions will turn in the eventuality of Gran Turismo offering more than marginally different experiences between Base and Neo users. Are the administrators considering a split and specific sub forums?

That's a good point. I wonder if base users will have issues that Neo users don't have and vice versa. It's almost inevitable really.

 

[Fredzy]

That's a good point. I wonder if base users will have issues that Neo users don't have and vice versa. It's almost inevitable really.

I doubt there will be any obvious or easily quantifiable differences aside from smoother framerate when things get hairy.

The only thing I worry about is whether the Neo's extra power lends any advantage when racing online. Strange stuff happens in GT6 when you get a lot of people racing together online. Most of it you would hope is network-driven and independent of hardware power. But if any of it is due to hardware: 1. you wonder if it's affecting everyone or just certain individuals and 2. if the GTS network design is similar to GT6's, there could be a Neo vehicular performance advantage.

 

[Sinned3]

The reason to why people have become more inclined to citicize GT is very simple: it's more or less stagnated in some areas and PD don't seem to care one bit despite criticism from fans and reviewers.

 

[Imari]

I doubt there will be any obvious or easily quantifiable differences aside from smoother framerate when things get hairy.

Difference in framerate would be one of the worst things that they could do. I think people will generally understand if it's better AA, or view distance, or resolution or something. But if Neo is a solid 60 and Base is 45-60 I think the Base users will be rightly aggrieved.

The only thing I worry about is whether the Neo's extra power lends any advantage when racing online. Strange stuff happens in GT6 when you get a lot of people racing together online. Most of it you would hope is network-driven and independent of hardware power. But if any of it is due to hardware: 1. you wonder if it's affecting everyone or just certain individuals and 2. if the GTS network design is similar to GT6's, there could be a Neo vehicular performance advantage.

If there's actually an advantage online to playing with one system over the other, you'll see a lot of people losing their 🤬.

It's a known factor on a lot of PC games that you need a certain minimum performance level to be competing at an equivalent level. Often that's just frame rate, but sometimes graphical settings as well. People don't like it, but at least with PC it's more or less under the user's control, and of late a lot of the seriously competitive games aren't really that demanding on hardware.

If Base and Neo aren't equivalent online, then that would be completely terrible. For starters it would largely undermine the whole FIA Championship for one thing, anyone who bought an original PS4 and doesn't upgrade would be at a disadvantage. The consumer might see it as being punished for buying into Sony's console early in the lifecycle, which is hardly desirable.