Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[GT6mebe]

Forza 6 already has online leagues.

Thats nothing new. GTS is actually doing something ambitious.

 

[JoaoSilva]

A 4 minute video with direct feed footage appeared on youtube

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PD take my money!

How can people say it looks like GT6?

 

[ImaRobot]

I like racing games, I play many, and yet this new GTS looks great to me, and well worth playing. Some of the negative reactions seem a bit excessive for me...

I think the comments aimed at those that have concern for certain aspects of the game, and those that are rightfully posting valid criticisms of the game, are excessive. It's just unnecessary.

Thats nothing new. GTS is actually doing something ambitious.

What they're doing is a twist on something that's "not new" as well. Something being ambitious doesn't automatically put it over it's competitors. It all comes down to how it performs and what's the outcome.

 

[shoemaker]

That's an excuse for the dumbing down of Gran Turismo?

With the scope of this game, the sky box is the limit. Basically, I'm guessing that Sony and PD are releasing this game so that other racing games can't take the spotlight completely. This is a "Hey, look at me, I'm still cool." kind of release.

They're rushing this out for the sake of competition.

Mate, as if PD have ever rushed anything, nothing ever gets released on time,November release will get moved back, same as every other gt game !

 

[phillgt2002]

That's your opinion.

95% of the posts in this thread are opinionated. Why mention this?

I don't think that was their intention. I think at it's core GTS has some really good ideas and could be a shot in the arm to the genre. However, the more I see of it the more I believe they are not going to achieve what they set out to do. So yes they are going to push the game out because they almost have to, but once again it's not going to be what it could or should have been.

They should have taken the time to make this just GT7 Prologue. That way people will know that this is just placeholder until the real game comes out.

This whole GT Sport stuff got hopes up too much.

 

[jm79]

I think the comments aimed at those that have concern for certain aspects of the game, and those that are rightfully posting valid criticisms of the game, are excessive. It's just unnecessary.

It's the comments about GTS, which no-one has really played much (if at all), that's the key here. It's all ballooning out of proportion, for my tastes, that's all.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Crazy negativity on here yo.

I like racing games, I play many, and yet this new GTS looks great to me, and well worth playing. Some of the negative reactions seem a bit excessive for me...

The criticisms brought up in this thread are not excessive at all.

 

[jm79]

The criticisms brought up in this thread are not excessive at all IMHO.

Fixed that for you.

 

[GT6mebe]

Online leagues are nothing new but having a consolidated racing league system on a global scale, official involvement from the FIA and plans of official streams with commentary on a regular basis.....don't lie to yourselves. Which other racing game on consoles is doing this? Even on PC the only thing I can think of is iRacing and that has a measly base of 50,000.

 

[ImaRobot]

It's the comments about GTS, which no-one has really played much (if at all), that's the key here. It's all ballooning out of proportion, for my tastes, that's all.

And that could have been different had they not canceled the beta, right? There are just concerns within this thread, but just because one troll strolls through every once in a while doesn't make it right to single everyone with criticism into one lump. They showcased this so we can make judgement in the first place.

Online leagues are nothing new but having a consolidated racing league system on a global scale, official involvement from the FIA and plans of official streams with commentary on a regular basis.....don't lie to yourselves. Which other racing game on consoles is doing this? Even on PC the only thing I can think of is iRacing and that has a measly base of 50,000.

And like I said, being ambitious means nothing if the end product doesn't deliver. As it sits, we don't know yet, so the only one lying to themselves right now is you. Lets all wait to see how this happens

 

[FordGTGuy]

Fixed that for you.

Nope they are completely legitimate complaints.

 

[jm79]

And that could have been different had they not canceled the beta, right? There are just concerns within this thread, but just because one troll strolls through every once in a while doesn't make it right to single everyone with criticism into one lump. They showcased this so we can make judgement in the first place.

No lumping, just my humble opinion.

I have criticisms of GT too, believe me.

 

[Aphelion]

Nope they are completely legitimate complaints.

Yours are, as are most, yes.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Yours are, as are most, yes.

It would be one thing if the complaints were about shadows looking off, a car having a slightly off rim or some other random small thing.

 

[ImaRobot]

No lumping, just my humble opinion.

I have criticisms of GT too, believe me.

Except that almost all the criticism, minus the obvious trolls, are justified. It seems that you're just going to bunch them all together whether they are articulate, or trolls. This is just my humble opinion

Again, it's just unnecessary, especially considering where in a forum that thrives on discussion.

 

[syntex123]

Wasn't the move from Ps3 to Ps4 supposed to make things a lot easier for them?

I remember Kaz talking about how Ps3 wasn't even able to do certain things that even the Ps2 could like the heat haze or whatever it's called.

Why are they taking out features that they've had in their 6 year old game???

They're working on a more powerful and balanced piece of hardware.

You're telling me they couldn't get something that worked on Ps3 work on Ps4?

We already know that GTS didn't blow us away with the graphics like GT5 did. So what exactly is holding them back from keeping dynamic time in?

This looks like GT6 on Ps4 but with a lot less content.

Try 15 GT3 came out in 2001

 

[Samus]

Online leagues are nothing new but having a consolidated racing league system on a global scale, official involvement from the FIA and plans of official streams with commentary on a regular basis.....don't lie to yourselves. Which other racing game on consoles is doing this? Even on PC the only thing I can think of is iRacing and that has a measly base of 50,000.

Yes and how many is that going to appeal to? Online league racing and eSports in this genre is always going to be a niche. Why would I have any interest in those FIA events, I already know I can't win them. They're great for the top drivers but for us mere mortals, they're not really relevant.

That is my main issue with this game overall. The aspects they're promoting all sound legitimately great, but who are they appealing to with those events and real world FIA licenses? Not me, and not Joe Casual who just likes buying cars, doing them up and racing them in events at their own leisure.

Personally, as someone who doesn't enjoy online gaming generally and isn't an alien racer I am not seeing any incentive to buy this game as of yet. It doesn't seem to be marketed towards me at all. Which is fine, not every game can be for me, it's just a disappointment that it means more waiting for an ideal GT game for me.

 

[lancia delta hf]

It's the comments about GTS, which no-one has really played much (if at all), that's the key here. It's all ballooning out of proportion, for my tastes, that's all.

So its ballooning out of proportion simply because you dont want to hear the truth? Its the same old posters who just accept anything PD throw at them and dont have any objectivity at all and want others to see gt through rose tinted glasses too. I have bad news for you, people are gonna continue to call things as they see it, I.e sonys biggest devs being major failures. These games they produce would not survive on their own merits without the gt logo. Kazs games are uninspiring and none of us can even be so sure the game will be released with its most anticipated features.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Yes and how many is that going to appeal to? Online league racing and eSports in this genre is always going to be a niche. Why would I have any interest in those FIA events, I already know I can't win them. They're great for the top drivers but for us mere mortals, they're not really relevant.

That is my main issue with this game overall. The aspects they're promoting all sound legitimately great, but who are they appealing to with those events and real world FIA licenses? Not me, and not Joe Casual who just likes buying cars, doing them up and racing them in events at their own leisure.

Personally, as someone who doesn't enjoy online gaming generally and isn't an alien racer I am not seeing any incentive to buy this game as of yet. It doesn't seem to be marketed towards me at all. Which is fine, not every game can be for me, it's just a disappointment that it means more waiting for an ideal GT game for me.

Which is sad because you've done an awesome job with coverage and threads so far.

 

[patriotzero]

No dynammic weather changes
No Day night Cycles

Why? Isn't ps4 more powerful and easy to develop console?
I don't understand Kazunori Yamauchi.What kazunori says contradicts with what he does

 

[eran0004]

Mate, as if PD have ever rushed anything, nothing ever gets released on time,November release will get moved back, same as every other gt game !

2 out of 6 you mean, right?

 

[Aphelion]

Man, I just want to drive some cars...

 

[jm79]

Yes and how many is that going to appeal to? Online league racing and eSports in this genre is always going to be a niche. Why would I have any interest in those FIA events, I already know I can't win them. They're great for the top drivers but for us mere mortals, they're not really relevant.

That is my main issue with this game overall. The aspects they're promoting all sound legitimately great, but who are they appealing to with those events and real world FIA licenses? Not me, and not Joe Casual who just likes buying cars, doing them up and racing them in events at their own leisure.

Personally, as someone who doesn't enjoy online gaming generally and isn't an alien racer I am not seeing any incentive to buy this game as of yet. It doesn't seem to be marketed towards me at all. Which is fine, not every game can be for me, it's just a disappointment that it means more waiting for an ideal GT game for me.

FWIW, Kaz did take a very long time explaining at the Copper Box how not just the grand final winner of the FIA stuff gets any reward. He mentioned the real-life Nurb 24hr, where some ridiculous number of trophies gets handed out every year, because just taking part is a huge achievement. So he seems aware of this point you're making, at least.

I totally agree with you on the online thing though - I've barely raced online either, and the game doesn't seem to have a large enough offline component for me, at all.

There are some things that haven't been revealed/talked about as yet though, some of them may allay some GTP'ers fears. Perhaps we'll have a better idea after this weekend and E3. Though, as many have said, with PD's record on delivering features, I'm not holding my breath!

 

[syntex123]

Kaz dancing again?

In-game - realtime 3D!

 

[Vspectra]

Went backwards? I'm not so sure. I think backwards would be putting in features that are just going to cause the game to run efficiently. If anything, trying to get features like this to work on past gen on such a demanding game, was overly ambitious. If you follow the current gen market, and watch what racing games that run in a similar nature as GTS, and notice what they have and haven't been able to do even on current hardware, then the step makes a good bit of sense. A step towards quality is always a step forward.

They already had the tech in place and running on a much weaker console, with the game already running at 50-60fps. The biggest framerate problems were not from dynamic time of day. Removing features is not a step forward. Assetto Corsa and Pcars all have dynamic time transitions.

 

[Samus]

FWIW, Kaz did take a very long time explaining at the Copper Box how not just the grand final winner of the FIA stuff gets any reward. He mentioned the real-life Nurb 24hr, where some ridiculous number of trophies gets handed out every year, because just taking part is a huge achievement. So he seems aware of this point you're making, at least.

I'm sure this is true, but honestly, who enter events just to get a taking part medal, or a 'top 64000' award or whatever? It's not a great incentive for me, just like the GT Academy Trials. They were just something to do, nothing more, to me.

There are some things that haven't been revealed/talked about as yet though, some of them may allay some GTP'ers fears. Perhaps we'll have a better idea after this weekend and E3. Though, as many have said, with PD's record on delivering features, I'm not holding my breath!

Well yes, I'm not writing it off totally, that would be foolish at this stage, but as of right now I've not seen anything to really pique my personal interests. We all want and get different things out of these games, for some 1 car and 1 track is enough to keep them interested for days, some people can drive thousands of laps of Tsukuba testing cars, some can repeat the same career events over and over. For others, it just doesn't do it. Same with online, for some it was a revolution in gaming, for others, like me, it's just not for them, for many reasons.

 

[Unlimited_PL]

Wow! The new vid on YT looks

Like I said before, even now (50% of game build) GT Sport is the best looking sim race game on market. Plus they untouchable in cars details and lighting. DC its the best looking race game overall. They just add windscreen reflection, and focus on polish that game up to max PS4 capabilities.

 

[Toblakai99]

Yes and how many is that going to appeal to? Online league racing and eSports in this genre is always going to be a niche. Why would I have any interest in those FIA events, I already know I can't win them. They're great for the top drivers but for us mere mortals, they're not really relevant.

That is my main issue with this game overall. The aspects they're promoting all sound legitimately great, but who are they appealing to with those events and real world FIA licenses? Not me, and not Joe Casual who just likes buying cars, doing them up and racing them in events at their own leisure.

Personally, as someone who doesn't enjoy online gaming generally and isn't an alien racer I am not seeing any incentive to buy this game as of yet. It doesn't seem to be marketed towards me at all. Which is fine, not every game can be for me, it's just a disappointment that it means more waiting for an ideal GT game for me.

You make very good points but I think Pd really want to try something different.I for one will not miss the credit grind to buy cars I will never drive.I would like to set up my own sp events like I do in project cars if gtsport has a race weekend option then I will be very happy.

 

[jm79]

So its ballooning out of proportion simply because you dont want to hear the truth? Its the same old posters who just accept anything PD throw at them and dont have any objectivity at all and want others to see gt through rose tinted glasses too. I have bad news for you, people are gonna continue to call things as they see it, I.e sonys biggest devs being major failures. These games they produce would not survive on their own merits without the gt logo. Kazs games are uninspiring and none of us can even be so sure the game will be released with its most anticipated features.

That was a bit off-target.

I have very large and long-running criticisms of GT, like most people here, and I agree with 99% of the criticism on here - GTP is ace for that. All I'm saying is there are at least two more major events they're showing this thing at very soon (Nurb 24hr and E3) and so despite the bad things so far (code performance issues, graphical rough edges, features missing or confusingly explained, sound concerns, etc etc...) I think that, so far, it's an exciting prospect, and I want to know more. I was merely surprised that more GTP'ers weren't also (implausibly, delusionally) optimistic!

 

[DingoDile]