Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[NoizeboyMugen]

It appears to me the biggest lock is in your own mindset here. More so since we only got limited informations on the feature and no hands on experience in the first place. Photography (be it on location) is all about overcoming potential (and more often than not likely) shortcomings and maximizing what is realistically available. That’s what creativity stands for in the first place, IMHO. No, we will not get full freedom of movement out of the Scapes mechanism; but sure there is seemingly a substantial tool on offering here. The ability to select aspect ratio, rotate, pan and tilt already opens a handful of options. It wouldn’t come as surprise if some of the playgrounds where 360° locations either. From the very few ones (out of the 1000+) that have been teased so far, you can tell some places will offer pseudo multiplane camera effects too, with some assets (other than cars) being 3D modeled into the scenery. Last but not least, there is the mouthwatering hint that one could add light sources into the builds... sure that could end up being a photographer’s hobby, isn’t it?

Well considering Kaz himself said that "You can't move the camera." and that we've actually seen a small snippet of what the Photomode is capable of, I consider my opinions to be somewhat valid as it seems that others agree with me on some level. As far as the photography definition in a creative mindset that's more subjective. To me, Overcoming shortcomings is a PART of photography. Even now I purposely limit myself in certain situations to provide a challenge that forces me to think about my photography as a whole (ie Use one lens for a whole shoot, Only shoot close up detail shots, ect) so I understand that overcoming challenges is a part of the photography game but there's some situations that can't always be overcome in a unique way.

Stuff like aspect ratio, rotate, and pan and such are all things that can easily be done on nearly all digital cameras, from point and shoots and cellphones to DSLR's so that doesn't excite me because these are things we already know we can change. As for the locations and lights, sure it's cool you can add lights but it's not necessarily a game changer for me since I tend to use natural light as do other GTP photographers. Again there is no doubt that the scapes produce beautifully crafted photos. In fact some of the samples are part of my laptop background but I don't see myself using it often when camera placement, a huge part of photography, is removed. Sometimes a small angle change is all it takes to make or break a photo and I feel like with this photomode we lose that freedom. But hey maybe that's just me.

 

[dimassa19]

London build

E3 build

Significant change in the bleachers "step".

Well considering Kaz himself said that "You can't move the camera." and that we've actually seen a small snippet of what the Photomode is capable of, I consider my opinions to be somewhat valid as it seems that others agree with me on some level. As far as the photography definition in a creative mindset that's more subjective. To me, Overcoming shortcomings is a PART of photography. Even now I purposely limit myself in certain situations to provide a challenge that forces me to think about my photography as a whole (ie Use one lens for a whole shoot, Only shoot close up detail shots, ect) so I understand that overcoming challenges is a part of the photography game but there's some situations that can't always be overcome in a unique way.

Stuff like aspect ratio, rotate, and pan and such are all things that can easily be done on nearly all digital cameras, from point and shoots and cellphones to DSLR's so that doesn't excite me because these are things we already know we can change. As for the locations and lights, sure it's cool you can add lights but it's not necessarily a game changer for me since I tend to use natural light as do other GTP photographers. Again there is no doubt that the scapes produce beautifully crafted photos. In fact some of the samples are part of my laptop background but I don't see myself using it often when camera placement, a huge part of photography, is removed. Sometimes a small angle change is all it takes to make or break a photo and I feel like with this photomode we lose that freedom. But hey maybe that's just me.

I agree.
But i support Kaz's idea: your favorite car in a real location... Something like 'teleport' in 1000 places in the world. Breathtaking...

 

[05XR8]

With the recent GTA news, I'm speculating V8 Supercars make it as DLC. Maybe we get a solo #23 Michael Caruso Altima in a driver's test of navigating Bathurst.

 

[girabyt3]

With the recent GTA news, I'm speculating V8 Supercars make it as DLC. Maybe we get a solo #23 Michael Caruso Altima in a driver's test of navigating Bathurst.

Something is something tho!! I love the Falcon, it was my dream to have it on GT3 as a kid, and, even if it's still a standard, it's amazing to still see it on GT, but we still need more V8 supercars really... Could make an awesome fight the Altima vs the Falcon, they didn't change too much in my opinión, which makes both a bit balanced for a race!

 

[SlipZtrEm]

Im doubtful we will see any real-world series added into the game, considering the huge focus on PD-designed classes and cars. If something can be fit into one of the existing categories, maybe. V8 Supercars may have a better shot considering the FIA connection, but maybe that'd make it ideal for an expansion pack.

 

[05XR8]

Something is something tho!! I love the Falcon, it was my dream to have it on GT3 as a kid, and, even if it's still a standard, it's amazing to still see it on GT, but we still need more V8 supercars really... Could make an awesome fight the Altima vs the Falcon, they didn't change too much in my opinión, which makes both a bit balanced for a race!

Well, with all cars in GTS having been made from the ground up, maybe we'll get newer (V8)Supercars.

 

[queleuleu]

Hmm Forza 6 : no links with the FIA and there are V8 supercars, Indycar, IMSA, LMP1.
GTsport : the first game to be officialy linked with the FIA : Bugatti VGT against and a "GT3" Peugeot VGT without wing mirrors!? I don't expect anything from this FIA partnership.

 

[Coiler]

Im doubtful we will see any real-world series added into the game, considering the huge focus on PD-designed classes and cars. If something can be fit into one of the existing categories, maybe. V8 Supercars may have a better shot considering the FIA connection, but maybe that'd make it ideal for an expansion pack.

I'd say GT3 is the way to go nowdays, and I'm really happy with that.

 

[JohnBM01]

I echo the comments people have made about the Ford Mustang race car. Then again, I'm one of few Camaro lovers that love the Mustang equally. That car is sweet! I just hope it rides great in the game unlike when I raced that Team Phoenix Audi R8 LMS Ultra race car in Gran Turismo 6.

 

[05XR8]

Hmm Forza 6 : no links with the FIA and there are V8 supercars, Indycar, IMSA, LMP1.
GTsport : the first game to be officialy linked with the FIA : Bugatti VGT against and a "GT3" Peugeot VGT without wing mirrors!? I don't expect anything from this FIA partnership.

Maybe not FIA. With the GTA partnership, possibly.

 

[Imari]

Well considering Kaz himself said that "You can't move the camera." and that we've actually seen a small snippet of what the Photomode is capable of, I consider my opinions to be somewhat valid as it seems that others agree with me on some level. As far as the photography definition in a creative mindset that's more subjective. To me, Overcoming shortcomings is a PART of photography. Even now I purposely limit myself in certain situations to provide a challenge that forces me to think about my photography as a whole (ie Use one lens for a whole shoot, Only shoot close up detail shots, ect) so I understand that overcoming challenges is a part of the photography game but there's some situations that can't always be overcome in a unique way.

Stuff like aspect ratio, rotate, and pan and such are all things that can easily be done on nearly all digital cameras, from point and shoots and cellphones to DSLR's so that doesn't excite me because these are things we already know we can change. As for the locations and lights, sure it's cool you can add lights but it's not necessarily a game changer for me since I tend to use natural light as do other GTP photographers. Again there is no doubt that the scapes produce beautifully crafted photos. In fact some of the samples are part of my laptop background but I don't see myself using it often when camera placement, a huge part of photography, is removed. Sometimes a small angle change is all it takes to make or break a photo and I feel like with this photomode we lose that freedom. But hey maybe that's just me.

Scapes appears to be basically what you could accomplish with Photoshop and Blender/random 3D renderer if you know what you're doing and have the models. It's bloody hard to make it look good, so props to them on making that easy. But it's pretty limited in the way you can fiddle with the "photography" side of it.

It'll be interesting to see how they've dealt with stuff like aperture and focal length.

 

[05XR8]

Would the scapes be a way to make photography easy for new players? This game is being pushed to involve "everyone" after all.

 

[Aphelion]

Would the scapes be a way to make photography easy for new players? This game is being pushed to involve "everyone" after all.

That's what I'm pretty sure it is. It should allow the more casual community to create masterpieces.

 

[dimassa19]

Would the scapes be a way to make photography easy for new players? This game is being pushed to involve "everyone" after all.

The Scapes was created to expand our minds...(in my humble opinion)

 

[05XR8]

The Scapes was created to expand our minds...(in my humble opinion)

... But, for long time players? Serious Gran Turismo "photographers"?

I'd call it more of an app than a serious photomode. This would be like Wallpaper Mode.

 

[Farushi]

Would the scapes be a way to make photography easy for new players? This game is being pushed to involve "everyone" after all.

I think is a way for them to stop wasting their staff's time with 3d photo locations and just have everyone focusing on track modelling.

I mean just look at this:

http://www.virtualr.net/wp-content/gallery/4321/ronda-spain-gt6-5.jpg

and imagine how much time they wasted scanning, modelling, texturing, setting the lighting and optimizing it to run on the ps3 just so we could put a car on that bridge area.

And all of that had to be thrown out now because it just doesn't look good enough anymore.

But the scapes require minimal work to be done (judging by how they have 1000 already), and they can keep them forever if they want because a photo will always look good.

 

[05XR8]

I think is a way for them to stop wasting their staff's time with 3d photo locations and just have everyone focusing on track modelling.

I mean just look at this:

http://www.virtualr.net/wp-content/gallery/4321/ronda-spain-gt6-5.jpg

and imagine how much time they wasted scanning, modelling, texturing, setting the lighting and optimizing it to run on the ps3 just so we could put a car on that bridge area.

And all of that had to be thrown out now because it just doesn't look good enough anymore.

But the scapes require minimal work to be done (judging by how they have 1000 already), and they can keep them forever if they want because a photo will always look good.

That's what I figured. 1000 pictures. Insert your car. Click and share on FB, work desktop, show Grandma and Grandpa, etc.

 

[dimassa19]

... But, for long time players? Serious Gran Turismo "photographers"?

I'd call it more of an app than a serious photomode. This would be like Wallpaper Mode.

Man...i am a very seriuos Gran Turismo photographer...And a long time player...(since 2006)

 

[Imari]

Would the scapes be a way to make photography easy for new players? This game is being pushed to involve "everyone" after all.

It's sort of the B Spec problem though. If in making it easy you make it too limited then it ONLY appeals to the new players.

Personally, I didn't think it was that tough to get a decent looking photo out of the old photomodes. Put car in front of something interesting, push button. And there was a lot of depth for people who were really into it to find the perfect spot and angle.

The scapes will always look amazing because they're essentially 90% professionally taken photographs already, but it really limits the interaction the player can have with the scene. It's hard to feel that proud of a photo when all you did was decide where to put the car(s) in it.

It can be tough sometimes to design a feature in such a way that it's approachable enough for people unfamiliar with it, yet deep enough to entertain people for long periods of time if they really take a shine to it. Scapes look fantastic, but I'm not sure that they'll give the same sense of reward and satisfaction to people who put serious time into it.

 

[sems4arsenal]

I didn't have a single idea about photographing anything yet with little searching around and trying something I quickly got the hang of it.

Don't think it can be more userfriendly, it's as easy as set a right shutter speed, focus on the subject and take the picture. Try and repeat till you get better.

 

[ArR29]

Driveclub foliage and trees

Granturismo Sport

Both screenshots taken from Neogaf

 

[LeGeNd-1]

GT is never going to look as good as DC. The physics and 60 FPS alone takes up a lot of processing power that could otherwise be used for eye candy. Not that I mind since I'm not a graphics buff. Maybe if one day GT goes to PC...

Also, I'm not believing any tyre deformation talk unless I see an actual tyre pressure adjustment in the settings screen. As far as I'm concerned, the tyres in GTS are still rolling bricks.

As for scapes, I echo people's sentiments that it's going to be easy to take good shots, but it will severely limit creativity and the variety of shots available (even with 1000 locations). If it allows PD to focus time modelling tracks and cars instead of one-off photomode locations I'm all for it though. I still wish the locations from GT4/5P/5/6 to come back in some form. What a waste of assets to only have it in one game.

 

[Formidable]

London build

E3 build

Wow! The amount of what has been changed in such a short span of time amazes me. If they keep this pace, who knows what the November release will look like

 

[Noname0529]

I know that GTSport is supposed to be all about FIA Spec racing, but can we get more roadcars instead?

 

[RACECAR]

The game has LOTS to live up to if they're going to use the GT4 opera intro.

Exactly how in the world do you set expectations based on an intro song?

 

[Ameer67]

Exactly how in the world do you set expectations based on an intro song?

The intro symbolizes GT4's greatness.

 

[RACECAR]

The intro symbolizes GT4's greatness.

That..just...

I'm sorry, but that is just beyond illogical to me. Using a song to somehow make up expectations for game just makes no sense whatsoever. Further more, this isn't even a traditional numbered GT Release so it makes this even more silly.

 

[nasanu]

Wow! The amount of what has been changed in such a short span of time amazes me. If they keep this pace, who knows what the November release will look like

Almost nothing has changed between those shots apart from some colors.

 

[Ameer67]

That..just...

I'm sorry, but that is just beyond illogical to me. Using a song to somehow make up expectations for game just makes no sense whatsoever. Further more, this isn't even a traditional numbered GT Release so it makes this even more silly.

I think you're reading too much into this honestly. All I'm saying is this: GT4 was a good game, yeah? The intro represents GT4. Using the intro song for the GT Sport trailer means they (PD) are expecting GTS to be up there with the greats. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[RACECAR]

I think you're reading too much into this honestly. All I'm saying is this: GT4 was a good game, yeah? The intro represents GT4. Using the intro song for the GT Sport trailer means they (PD) are expecting GTS to be up there with the greats. Nothing more, nothing less.

I'm not saying GT4 wasn't a good game, I just don't see how the orchestral version of a song (which to me is overrated) is somehow a reason to expect this game to be as good. I'm really failing to see how the use of this song is PD expecting GT Sport to be as good as GT4. Just seems like an odd and far reaching thought to gleam from a simple E3 Trailer (which is supposed to be hypetastic).

I mean no disrespect.