Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[JulesDennis]

You make no sense. What if somebody wants to have fun. What if somebody wants to crash. You're going too far. Forced penalties? What are you talking about? That's why we have a option for penalties sir, not everybody wants to be clean 24/7.

In a proper racing game that wants to call itself racing simulator everybody needs to be clean 24/7 (or at least try to be as clean as they can).You want to "have fun" by hitting others,pushing them off track or abusing track limits?How about playing another game then?An arcade one for example.You can have a lot of fun by doing these things in GTA V.
You say I am too serious and going too far and at the same time you say "not everybody wants to be clean 24/7"?
I dont know what your point of view for "fun racing" is but imo fun racing=clean racing even if you lap me 100 times.The moment you use dirty tactics on me,the game stops to be fun.
If we are going to play NFS then I dont care how many times you hit me.But if we are going to race in a "sim game" I think that "your kind of fun" is out of the purpuse/style of that game.

 

[freedom1104]

I would guess that private lobby or multiplayer mode will have the same penalty as GT6. the sportmanship and ranking only will be in matchmaking inside the sport mode or specific event in sport mode which matches you and your closest similar skill level and dirty move opponent. In private lobby all will be the same as before.

But let me tell you guys a story, me and my friends are casual gt6 players last year. We dint open any penalties during our races but we respect each other and we race as clean as possible but if a mistake occurred we would be apologizing to each other all day long and figure out what had happen and try to prevent it next time. But our events had other players joined in, we would open penalty because we dont know what stranger would do to our race. So at the end of the day,its still the matter of the attitude of the one who holds the wheel.

 

[Aussie_HSV]

You'd be surprised. Track limits are the obvious one. If you're inside the car it can be very difficult to tell whether you were over or not. And sometimes the line for the penalty isn't exactly where you might expect it to be, so the only way to learn is by trial and error.



E-Sport, remember?

I suspect that they'll also have "casual" lobbies in addition to the FIA lobbies. But if you're having a serious racing series, you don't make it more appealing for less skilled players by allowing dangerous players to stay on track. How frustrating would it be if you're a new player doing your best to stay clean to be continually taken out by some mong with a hard on for your rear bumper?

The idea is not to punish less skilled players. The idea is to create an environment where those less skilled players can do their best and be rewarded for that instead of being frustrated that they're getting monstered by the demolition derby team. You don't learn anything by suspending the rules, especially the rules that are intended to enforce clean and fair racing. Those are there to protect the lesser skilled players more than anyone.

The more lax the rules, the greater the likelihood that they're exploitable. And if they're exploitable, then it's going to be the high skill players doing the exploiting (see the PS3 time trials and how the best players exploit physics loopholes). Having a strict rule system levels the playing ground for the new player; they know exactly what to expect and they are protected from the most serious of abusers.

Yeh, E-Sport, but only in 1 mode.
And really only the FIA events.
I wouldn't call the daily races, special events/championships, etc. E-Sport.
Well, not E-Sport with any significant recognition anyway.
Just online match-making grouped racing really.

But I hear what you're saying.
It is annoying to be taken out when you are trying to drive clean.
Hopefully these things will come out in the wash and the consistently dirty drivers will be grouped, and the cleaner drivers will be grouped.
It won't happen immediately of course, but if things work as they should, it will.
And then everyone is in their own happy place.

I think the introduction of sportsmanship points is excellent.
Most gamers can't help but try to improve any 'level' they are on, irrespective of what it is.
Sportmanship points, eg. 0.8 or 1.5, will almost inevitably encourage most gamers to increase their level.
The only way to do that is drive cleaner and within the rules.
Win win for everyone.

 

[JulesDennis]

Mate, way too serious.

People want to have fun.
Particularly in the rules free zone of do-what-you-want online lobbies.

What do you want?
Drive through penalties in a dirty NASCAR lobby?

If you find yourself in a lobby that doesn't suit you, guess what?

Nascar allows contant irl too but that does not mean they allow the kind of fun you guys are talking about.
But this is only my opinion.
I enjoy sim racing and I want it do be as clean as possible.I myself try to be clean as I can be,even when I race in public lobbies.Every people has its own kind of fun,i guess.

 

[Heavyduke]

In a proper racing game that wants to call itself racing simulator everybody needs to be clean 24/7 (or at least try to be as clean as they can).You want to "have fun" by hitting others,pushing them off track or abusing track limits?How about playing another game then?An arcade one for example.You can have a lot of fun by doing these things in GTA V.
You say I am too serious and going too far and at the same time you say "not everybody wants to be clean 24/7"?
I dont know what your point of view for "fun racing" is but imo fun racing=clean racing even if you lap me 100 times.The moment you use dirty tactics on me,the game stops to be fun.
If we are going to play NFS then I dont care how many times you hit me.But if we are going to race in a "sim game" I think that "your kind of fun" is out of the purpuse/style of that game.

Kaz said he wasn't going for hardcore experience anyway. (Source - http://www.usgamer.net/articles/kazunori-yamauchi-on-gran-turismo-sport)

 

[jm79]

Edit: @jm79 Imo you can be as aggressive as you want if you are doing it in a clean manner mate.Being agressive does not mean you are not racing fair and clean.Many people confuse "aggressive" with being "dirty" but this is not how it works both in racing games or real life.Many guys are very aggressive and super clean at the same time.

Overly aggressive is what I meant, sorry.

I dont know what your point of view for "fun racing" is but imo fun racing=clean racing even if you lap me 100 times.The moment you use dirty tactics on me,the game stops to be fun.

And I dunno man, these things have drama! The most dramatic thing of the E-Prix series this year was when Di Grassi purposefully smashed into Buemi to try and win the championship in London (if they both went out, he won by a point).

Or when Rosberg cut up Hamilton on the last corner at the Red Bull Ring (?).

And many many more examples.

All great viewing

 

[freedom1104]

Kaz said he wasn't going for hardcore experience anyway. (Source - http://www.usgamer.net/articles/kazunori-yamauchi-on-gran-turismo-sport)

i would take my guess that KAZ meant something else like tyre pressure or drs and stuff which other hardcore sim had.

 

[Heavyduke]

Kaz said he wasn't going for hardcore experience anyway. (Source - http://www.usgamer.net/articles/kazunori-yamauchi-on-gran-turismo-sport)

Continuing since I didn't wanna double post. fun racing does not always = clean racing

 

[JulesDennis]

Kaz said he wasn't going for hardcore experience anyway. (Source - http://www.usgamer.net/articles/kazunori-yamauchi-on-gran-turismo-sport)

Then the game is not a proper sim racing game.And again that does not mean that you can be a little "dirty" when racing and dont care about rules.With that said,how is FIA/PD gonna give "racing licence" to people that are not (trying to be) 24/7 clean and say "Ok,this game is not that serious,we can abuse racing rules here and there,since it does not effect our sportsmanship level" is another question.

Overly aggressive is what I meant, sorry.

And I dunno man, these things have drama! The most dramatic thing of the E-Prix series this year was when Di Grassi purposefully smashed into Buemi to try and win the championship in London (if they both went out, he won by a point).

Or when Rosberg cut up Hamilton on the last corner at the Red Bull Ring (?).

And many many more examples.

All great viewing

But none of them goes unpunished mate (or most of the time,when the officials do their job).Dirty driving or not following rules is not accepted.It happens many times and have a penalty after that.So whats your point?


@Heavyduke We have different opinion of what is fun racing in the track and what is not.Your kind of fun is what spoils my kind of fun.It does not work the other way around,I am afraid.I cannot spoil your fun by being clean.You want to have fun with being dirty ext?Do that.I only hope we wont be in the same lobby when that happens and everyone will be happy (You and me at least).

 

[Aussie_HSV]

Nascar allows contant irl too but that does not mean they allow the kind of fun you guys are talking about.
But this is only my opinion.
I enjoy sim racing and I want it do be as clean as possible.I myself try to be clean as I can be,even when I race in public lobbies.Every people has its own kind of fun,i guess.

I also try to drive as clean, fair, within track limits, and as fast as I can too.
I'm not into cruising lobbies, cops and robbers, dirty, etc etc.
But that's you and me.
Others out there have different ideas.
Others create their own fun in their own way.
Let's allow them to do what they want to do in their own lobbies and not push our way of playing onto others.

 

[Heavyduke]

Then the game is not a proper sim racing game.And again that does not mean that you can be a little "dirty" when racing and dont care about rules.With that said,how is FIA/PD gonna give "racing licence" to people that are not (trying to be) 24/7 clean and say "Ok,this game is not that serious,we can abuse racing rules here and there,since it does not effect our sportsmanship level" is another question.




But none of them goes unpunished mate (or most of the time,when the officials do their job).Dirty driving or not following rules is not accepted.It happens many times and have a penalty after that.So whats your point?

That reminds me, they don't get punished on Nascar.

 

[JulesDennis]

That reminds me, they don't get punished on Nascar.

You can bump draft cars in the straightaways, but not in the turns. Nascar will penalize a driver if they think he purposely wreck another driver.So actually they do have rules.The problem is that in many cases they "forget" about them.
And Nascar is not the only type of racing out there.Try to pull the same stuff in GT3 Blackpain or WEC and see if you'll get to race in the next round.

 

[Imari]

I've never seen a lobby on GT6 that has Penalties and is popular, so my prediction is the opposite of yours.

What? I predict that they'll allow private lobbies without the sportsmanship code, so you predict that they won't allow private lobbies without the sportsmanship code?

Is that really what you want to say?

Why does a lobby with no penalties have to be private for?

It's a phrase used to differentiate from public lobbies set up by the developer. It's not necessarily actually private, although one can also have password protected lobbies as well in some games that are actually private in the sense that you're presumably thinking of.

In a proper racing game that wants to call itself racing simulator everybody needs to be clean 24/7 (or at least try to be as clean as they can).You want to "have fun" by hitting others,pushing them off track or abusing track limits?How about playing another game then?

No.

You can say that it needs to be taken seriously in the FIA competitions and I absolutely agree, but there's plenty of room for people just to mess around with friends elsewhere. I see no value in restricting that.

But if we are going to race in a "sim game" I think that "your kind of fun" is out of the purpuse/style of that game.

And you're wrong. There are many types of real world racing that allow varying levels of contact up to and including destruction derby. Polyphony may not want to explicitly include these modes, but there's no point going out of their way to prohibit people from playing however they want with their friends in their own lobbies.

Enforce the rules in competitive modes for sure, but there's no reason why players can't have a casual or track day lobby where anything goes without wrecking their sportsmanship rating. I know I definitely want a practice mode where I can run free and practice lines and find my limits without being punished every time I run wide. Or practice overtaking and defending with friends without being punished for errors.

Again, iRacing has this and it's likely far more of a sim than GTS will ever be. Just as the rules aren't always in effect in real life, neither do they need to be in a game.

 

[jm79]

But none of them goes unpunished mate (or most of the time,when the officials do their job).Dirty driving or not following rules is not accepted.It happens many times and have a penalty after that.So whats your point?

My point is that you said this:

"The moment you use dirty tactics on me, the game stops to be fun."

I disagree, it's a crucial part of the fun of motorsports. For spectators, especially so.
I get the underlying point, of course, that no-one wants ridiculous crash-trolls ruining a good race, but to insist that any fun has to be 100% clean is taking it to an unrealistic extreme.

Anyway, I hope that the ratings system in GTS will mean that you get roughly what you're after.

 

[JulesDennis]

Really mate is there a dd race/care/track in the game?If there is then lets play by that rules.I am sure you'll find me more that capable to do so.But unfortunately there is not.This game is supposed to be revolutionary.Create real life drivers or teach them to drive fast and safe in their real life.I say that the rule sustem must be spot on and complex in order to do so.And you think that I'm too serious when I say that this esports revolutionary game( as advertised) should let people race like in dd using gt4 cars?Or that because it will be a casual lobby,potentially everyone can ruin my game/fun because they enjoy using gt3 cars to wreck others?Put race system optional in non Sports mode lobbies and forced into the Sports and that way everyone can have fun.Console racing games suffer from players that have fun when destroy others race.We need a good rule system and a way to spit clear gamers from others no matter how serious the lobby is. Edit @jm79 mate nobody is 100 % clean in racing real life or game.But really what kind of fun racing are you talking about when you push me off track,pass me and get me punished for that?I've made my opinion clear No everyone has to agree with me.I am sure that a sim racing enthusiast gamer knows what I am talking about.

 

[Switcher]

Really mate is there a dd race/care/track in the game?If there is then lets play by that rules.I am sure you'll find me more that capable to do so.But unfortunately there is not.This game is supposed to be revolutionary.Create real life drivers or teach them to drive fast and safe in their real life.I say that the rule sustem must be spot on and complex in order to do so.And you think that I'm too serious when I say that this esports revolutionary game( as advertised) should let people race like in dd using gt4 cars?Or that because it will be a casual lobby,potentially everyone can ruin my game/fun because they enjoy using gt3 cars to wreck others?Put race system optional in non Sports mode lobbies and forced into the Sports and that way everyone can have fun.Console racing games suffer from players that have fun when destroy others race.We need a good rule system and a way to spit clear gamers from others no matter how serious the lobby is.

Might want to work on paragraphing a bit.

 

[cocoflowa]

Taiwan tomorrow. Hope for some news.

 

[Samus]

Same old beta again I'm guessing.

 

[cocoflowa]

Same old beta again I'm guessing.

so some interview at least

 

[jm79]

I've given up hoping for new builds at these shows.

In a way, it's kinda cool, because when they finally show a new one, it'll be a big upgrade.

Hopefully

 

[Zlork]

Taiwan tomorrow. Hope for some news.

I think we have to wait Gamescom for news.

 

[cocoflowa]

I think we have to wait Gamescom for news.

Do you think that PD will have their own presentation of GTS without sony press conference? I think sony will have some own conference for europe. Gamescom is too early and PGW is too late.

 

[Samus]

You don't need a conference to unveil new information/content.

 

[cocoflowa]

You don't need a conference to unveil new information/content.

Yes you are right, but PD always had a few before relase, hadn't they?

 

[Yui-san]

Just a heads up: GT Sport will be present at the PlayStation Gaming Festival in Taiwan, but asides from playable demos, there will only be one stage event involving a competition between the CEO of Sony Entertainment Taiwan and a previous winner of some GT championship in Asia.

So don't expect any new info from this event (rightly so because this is merely a PR event from Sony at an electronics department store; the Taipei Game Show is in December).

 

[Heavyduke]

What? I predict that they'll allow private lobbies without the sportsmanship code, so you predict that they won't allow private lobbies without the sportsmanship code?

Is that really what you want to say?

I never said anything about they won't allow it for private lobbies. I may have said the opposite but not the complete opposite.

 

[cocoflowa]

Next event where will be GTS playable after taiwan festival and gamescom is gamestop expo 14. September.

http://www.playstationlifestyle.net...-will-demo-playstation-vr-gran-turismo-sport/

 

[RACECAR]

Not sure the Gamestop Expo will be much use since its not a widely covered event.

 

[Heavyduke]

Anybody talked about this?

While nothing substantial has been revealed courtesy of GT Sport’s visit to China — at least in terms of new content shown — the interviews that continue to surface shed light on a number of subjects that highlight continued support for the title past its release later this year.

As a result of these interviews we’ve now been made aware that once it’s all said and done, GT Sport could eventually boast a roster of up to 500 cars, the upcoming entry is now 70% complete with updates occurring daily, and that it very well could have been called GT7 Sport as it offers the same complete experience as other entries in the franchise.

Continuing with the recent interview with Chinese news outlet Sina, Kazunori Yamauchi has revealed that plans are afoot to bring the Shanghai International Circuit, home of the Formula 1 Chinese Grand Prix, to GT Sport.

“We’ve actually wanted to add the Shanghai International Circuit since a while back, and we’re currently making arrangements.”
If you’ll recall, this isn’t the first time the circuit has been discussed with relation to it being included in a Gran Turismo title. Back in 2012 Kazunori discussed with the Chinese media that he would be visiting the track to consider what elements could be used in the game. With the competitive focus of GT Sport, now is the time to include the FIA-approved circuit.

The Chinese government has sought after a home to host the Chinese Grand Prix since the early 90’s. Originally planned to be the Zhuhai International Circuit that was provisionally added to the 1999 F1 calendar, the circuit failed to meet the approval of the FIA. It wasn’t until 2002 that the Shanghai International Circuit was secured as the host for the Chinese Grand Prix, hosting its inaugural race on September 26th, 2004.



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[Samus]

Anybody talked about this?

Extensively. Well, except for the bit about Shanghai.