Gran Turismo Sport: General Discussion

[SlipZtrEm]

Forza games are released every 2years but only since Forza6 they had night racing and some decent tracks. Forza5 was just a cash in nothing more so effectively Forza6 was released at 4yrs time. GT6 was released in 2013 and now with GTS delayed to 2017 it is going to be 4yrs for them also. Car count Forza might be ahead but in other areas GTS will be better. They would achieve more than Forza6 in same time period

That's some powerful revisionist-history-slash-mental-gymnastics. Of course, it's also all nonsense.

You have absolutely no idea what areas GTS will be better than the competition in, for the same reason people can't assume the physics (or sounds, or anything else) will be worse than the competition: it's unreleased.

Although your suggestion that they'll achieve more than what we've seen in FM6 is interesting. Can we expect 600+ cars, 28 tracks with over 100 variations (including the wet and night ones), better sounds, a comparable livery editor, much more stable net code, a better damage model, a tire model that isn't simplistic, and cars that are older than 2009?

And, perhaps more pertinently: can I use the time machine when you're finished with it?

Why is it that whenever PD announces a delay, it's "**** YOU PD YOU'RE A BUNCH OF SCRUBS KYS" but when another dev does the same, it's, "darn it, but thanks for letting us know"?

Double-standard BS.

Why is it that people resort to gross generalizations so they can be outraged by it?

Double-standard, indeed.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

Delays happen, sure, but I think the biggest downer on this is how far along into the console cycle we are. You can run off a huge list of games delayed this gen but most of them are now released, many have been for some time. PD on the other hand have so far released nothing and are still delaying 3 years in. That is the big kick in the teeth.

If they released *something* within the first 18 months and were now delaying their next game, people would be more understanding. Or if they had set a release date for 2014 and were just now releasing it like Uncharted, annoying, but acceptable. But going all this time with nothing and still requiring delays into 2017, seems crazy. Every single other first party studio has now released something on PS4 as per my post in the other thread.

The fact they claimed this hardware was like a blank canvas and really easy to work with in comparison to the last console makes it all the more mind boggling.



That is simply not true and you know it.

It's 100% true. This community has 0 respect or understanding when it comes to PD, but other devs... whenever they do something that we'd ream PD for, it's all of a sudden OK. I'm sick and tired to death of these ridiculous double standards.

 

[Coiler]

Polyphony could do the same if they wanted. Hell, Sony had Evolution who were more than capable of making a more casual spinoff of the Gran Turismo formula. But no, let's fire them instead because they released a bad game and worked their arses off to make it amazing.

If Polyphony had put the same level of post-release support into GT6 that Evo put into Driveclub, the game would probably still be competitive with the current gen games. But instead GT6 is probably the worst of all the GT games.

GT6 was outdated the day it came out, they should drop it ASAP.

 

[Samus]

It's 100% true. This community has 0 respect or understanding when it comes to PD, but other devs... whenever they do something that we'd ream PD for, it's all of a sudden OK. I'm sick and tired to death of these ridiculous double standards.

Do you want me to post the thousands of messages of people moaning about other games being delayed? Or the posts here and elsewhere of people accepting this delay by PD? You're reading what you want to read.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

Why is it that people resort to gross generalizations so they can be outraged by it?

Double-standard, indeed.

Look at 70% of the posts on GTP. If it were T10, Playground or MS who were announcing a delay to FH3, people would mysteriously be a lot more understanding.

And could you please go one post without insulting me? Because according you you I'm a liar and a hypocrite. Play the ball and not the man.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

Do you want me to post the thousands of messages of people moaning about other games being delayed? Or the posts here and elsewhere of people accepting this delay by PD? You're reading what you want to read.

I'm reading all of GTP, not just what I want to. Because here on GTP, there's nothing else to read.

 

[sems4arsenal]

It's 100% true. This community has 0 respect or understanding when it comes to PD, but other devs... whenever they do something that we'd ream PD for, it's all of a sudden OK. I'm sick and tired to death of these ridiculous double standards.

It's easier to understand Naughty Dog delaying Uncharted 4 (which had a massive overhaul) because they gave us TLOUR, had troubled development and had a great track record the previous generation.

PD didn't earn that delay I feel.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

It's easier to understand Naughty Dog delaying Uncharted 4 (which had a massive overhaul) because they gave us TLOUR, had troubled development and had a great track record the previous generation.

PD didn't earn that delay I feel.

It should be clear from the silence that PD is having trouble with GTS, so again, what makes them different?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

It's 100% true. This community has 0 respect or understanding when it comes to PD, but other devs... whenever they do something that we'd ream PD for, it's all of a sudden OK. I'm sick and tired to death of these ridiculous double standards.

Is this a lesson in the Batfleck class of mathematics?

Look at 70% of the posts on GTP. If it were T10, Playground or MS who were announcing a delay to FH3, people would mysteriously be a lot more understanding.

So not only are you just pulling a random number out of... let's call it thin air, but you're also using a hypothetical situation to prove your point?

And could you please go one post without insulting me? Because according you you I'm a liar and a hypocrite. Play the ball and not the man.

The more pertinent question is if you can go one post without conflating pointing out the errors in your comments with insults. Point me to where there is an insult there.

This isn't the first time you've saw fit to both misrepresent what a member of staff has said, and try to tell them how to do their jobs. It wasn't a wise move in the past, and it isn't now either.

 

[Samus]

I'm reading all of GTP, not just what I want to. Because here on GTP, there's nothing else to read.

So you must be seeing the people who have posted accepting messages then? Ergo, your post was being very selective.

It is the same with any game unless you want to prove otherwise. A significant delay is always met with general negativity/upset with some posting that they're not bothered/happy with it.

If it were T10, Playground or MS who were announcing a delay to FH3, people would mysteriously be a lot more understanding.

Given that no Forza game has ever been significantly delayed how can you possibly know that? Are you just making an assumption to support your argument?

 

[Coiler]

It's easier to understand Naughty Dog delaying Uncharted 4 (which had a massive overhaul) because they gave us TLOUR, had troubled development and had a great track record the previous generation.

PD didn't earn that delay I feel.

That's the thing, all we've seen was some kind of an alpha missing most of the assets.

 

[NLxAROSA]

It should be clear from the silence that PD is having trouble with GTS, so again, what makes them different?

PD is having a problem with PD. The games not being released is just a symptom/result of that problem.

 

[Brend]

Unfortunately I cancelled my collector's edition pre-order for the game. I'm not convinced with what I've seen in conjunction with this delay. Plus, I'm almost certain the new 'features' will be some sort of VR mode and Neo functionality. Both thing that mean zero to me.

I'll just pick up the regular edition at launch.

 

[apexpredator100]

It's easier to understand Naughty Dog delaying Uncharted 4 (which had a massive overhaul) because they gave us TLOUR, had troubled development and had a great track record the previous generation.

PD didn't earn that delay I feel.

Delays aren't something to be earned. It seems like with Kaz's comments about the game being 70% done, plus having not seeing any footage weather, night racing, damage, and other tracks besides Nurb/Brands Hatch/Tokyo, the game is far from finished. Looking at it now, PD probably avoided another disaster by not releasing the game in November.

 

[MXH]

Look at 70% of the posts on GTP. If it were T10, Playground or MS who were announcing a delay to FH3, people would mysteriously be a lot more understanding.

Considering that it would be a first for both PG and T10 (unless I'm mistaken), I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

Is this a lesson in the Batfleck class of mathematics?

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So not only are you just pulling a random number out of... let's call it thin air, but you're also using a hypothetical situation to prove your point?





The more pertinent question is if you can go one post without conflating pointing out the errors in your comments with insults. Point me to where there is an insult there.

I have nothing to say to this. Just... read the comments below your latest article and see how much "understanding" you see there. A little, but not much at all.

Also, you accused me of having double standards, i.e. being a hypocrite. So that's twice in a few days you've called me that. If you really think so lowly of me (which it's clear to me that you do), then why bother dignifying anything I say with a response?

So you must be seeing the people who have posted accepting messages then? Ergo, your post was being very selective.

It is the same with any game unless you want to prove otherwise. A significant delay is always met with general negativity/upset with some posting that they're not bothered/happy with it.

Look at the rest of this thread and tell me I'm being selective. Picking out comments with even an iota of understanding? Now that would be being selective.

Given that no Forza game has ever been significantly delayed how can you possibly know that? Are you just making an assumption to support your argument?

It's just an example. Say an FM game was delayed, can you honestly tell me the community here would be this caustic? No, they wouldn't.

 

[Samus]

Again the thing with Uncharted (or most other PS4 games delayed) is that it's now released. It took a while, but it's out and playable. No other first party studio is heading into 2017 without releasing a PS4 game.

 

[gtracedriver1]

Calling BS on that whole post. Forza 5 was a complete rework, something PD has not proved they're capable of. Content was what would've expected if you pull your head from your rear. What would PD's car and track count be if the dumped everything from the previous gen in the same time frame? We don't know because they haven't done it yet. PD couldn't even get a demo out in the time T10 has released a few games.

I also forgot to mention Forza5 did not have any sort of weather. It was basically a prologue and Polyohony already decided that they will not be making prologue. If they wanted they probably could do it. GTS is rework and it clearly shows:

 

[Samus]

Look at the rest of this thread and tell me I'm being selective. Picking out comments with even an iota of understanding? Now that would be being selective.

Your initial post cast a wide net over any community/game and stated that with PD it's anger whilst with other games delayed it's understanding. Both statements are selective generalisitions, there is both for ANY game. There is no double standard as you claim. You tell me a game that was significantly delayed, i'll show you the majority being angry/annoyed about it. I'll also show you the people being understanding.

It's just an example. Say an FM game was delayed, can you honestly tell me the community here would be this caustic? No, they wouldn't.

I don't know and you don't know. You're just making an assumption because it suits your generalisation and argument.

I also forgot to mention Forza5 did not have any sort of weather. It was basically a prologue

GTS to date has shown no weather. It was/is also planned to have less cars than Forza 5 and about the same amount of tracks. It plans to have no offline career, Forza 5 does. By your logic, GTS is also "basically a prologue".

If they wanted they probably could do it.

Whether they wanted to or could do it is irrelevant, they didn't. T10 did, three years ago.

 

[sems4arsenal]

It should be clear from the silence that PD is having trouble with GTS, so again, what makes them different?

Is that the PS4 has been out for 3 years and they've showed nothing impressive. Look at all the other first party studios output, what gives?

 

[jm79]

Let's not make this a bloody Forza vs GT thing again...
So boring

 

[Coiler]

I also forgot to mention Forza5 did not have any sort of weather. It was basically a prologue and Polyohony already decided that they will not be making prologue. If they wanted they probably could do it. GTS is rework and it clearly shows:

F5 was a launch game for XO, did you ever play a Playstation console launch GranTurismo? GTS can be the next coming of Jesus BUT firts it has to come out!

 

[ImaRobot]

I also forgot to mention Forza5 did not have any sort of weather. It was basically a prologue and Polyohony already decided that they will not be making prologue. If they wanted they probably could do it. GTS is rework and it clearly shows:

Forza 5 was a re-work too, apparently, that made it in time for the launch of the new generation(which was three years ago) that managed to have more content available from what we've seen from GTS so far, 3-4 years down the line.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

I have nothing to say to this. Just... read the comments below your latest article and see how much "understanding" you see there. A little, but not much at all.

So which is it? Zero understanding, or a little?

Also, you accused me of having double standards, i.e. being a hypocrite. So that's twice in a few days you've called me that. If you really think so lowly of me (which it's clear to me that you do), then why bother dignifying anything I say with a response?

I've pointed out you're complaining about the exact same thing that you yourself are doing. Do me a favour and look up the definition of hypocrisy.

What does this have to do with a judgment call on you? I am only pointing out faulty logic, it really doesn't matter what username it is attached to.

If anything, I should ask why you think so low of the entire GTPlanet population, since you're always so willing to paint the entire membership with the same brush.

Look at the rest of this thread and tell me I'm being selective. Picking out comments with even an iota of understanding? Now that would be being selective.

Ignoring any of the comments that don't line up with the narrative you're trying to push is the very definition of selective.

It's just an example. Say an FM game was delayed, can you honestly tell me the community here would be this caustic? No, they wouldn't.

When I make up scenarios in my head, I too am amazed that they always wrap up with the exact results I need to push forward my argument. What are the chances?

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

So which is it? Zero understanding, or a little?

A little. My mistake.

I've pointed out you're complaining about the exact same thing that you yourself are doing. Do me a favour and look up the definition of hypocrisy.

hy·poc·ri·sy
həˈpäkrəsē/
noun
noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies
the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

In other words, exactly what you've accused me of twice now.

What does this have to do with a judgment call on you? I am only pointing out faulty logic, it really doesn't matter what username it is attached to.

You're right, what does it have to do with a judgement call on me? You can't say someone has double standards and then say you weren't calling them a hypocrite. Because, if you think about it, it is hypocrisy in a way.

If anything, I should ask why you think so low of the entire GTPlanet population, since you're always so willing to paint the entire membership with the same brush.

For the sake of not sounding like a broken record, I won't belabor you with the reasons yet again, but you should know them pretty much by heart at this point.

When I make up scenarios in my head, I too am amazed that they always wrap up with the exact results I need to push forward my argument. What are the chances?

More unappreciated sarcasm...

I can't. I've had too much of that already.

 

[ImaRobot]

You know, for someone so quick to spew out insults and generalize a whole community, it's a bit ironic that you can't take what you dish out.

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

You know, for someone so quick to spew out insults and generalize a whole community, it's a bit ironic that you can't take what you dish out.

Generalizing? Sure. Not purposely, but sure. Insulting? Nope.

 

[ImaRobot]

Generalizing? Sure. Not purposely, but sure. Insulting? Nope.

You got mad that someone used the insult you used, back at you. If that isn't an insult, then why continue on about it.

Why is it that whenever PD announces a delay, it's "**** YOU PD YOU'RE A BUNCH OF SCRUBS KYS" but when another dev does the same, it's, "darn it, but thanks for letting us know"?

Double-standard BS.

Why is it that people resort to gross generalizations so they can be outraged by it?

Double-standard, indeed.

And could you please go one post without insulting me? Because according you you I'm a liar and a hypocrite. Play the ball and not the man.

 

[PzR Slim]

Generalizing? Sure. Not purposely, but sure. Insulting? Nope.

Just a quick question if I may. At what point would PD's treatment of its paying customers become unacceptable to you?

 

[TeamCZRRacing]

You got mad that someone used the insult you used, back at you. If that isn't an insult, then why continue on about it.

OK, fine. Fair call. I got a little (a lot) crossed up. Thanks for calling that out.

Just a quick question if I may. At what point would PD's treatment of its paying customers become unacceptable to you?

When they did something thoroughly not understandable or anti-consumer. The same as any other company of which I'm a fan.

For instance, I used to be a fan of EA. Then they crapped all over my loyalty by introducing Origin, pulling their games from Steam, forcing ******** DRM down my throat and introducing insulting, purposely obtrusive pricing schemes to their free-to-play games, and that's just the start. That's what I deem unacceptable. A delay, to me, is typically fine, because usually devs take the extra time to refine the game.