Grass / Curb "Bug"= Extra Acceleration

[Maccer_42]

Already a thread for this here.

That thread is different.. hes talking about a glitch in where your car will speed up when you have 2 wheels off track due to a possible glitch in the physics.

What im asking is for people to let me know if what they see in the photos I provided do they consider it a corner cut or not.

 

[NFSCARBON1]

The thing is though, while it is corner cutting (and i would say cheating), in real racing drivers and teams exploit as many loopholes as they can in order to get an edge over their rivals.

 

[awr117]

All they need to do is place a row of cones on the edge of the road and the problem would be fixed.

 

[Jav]

The thing is though, while it is corner cutting (and i would say cheating), in real racing drivers and teams exploit as many loopholes as they can in order to get an edge over their rivals.

True, and in a case like this they would be severely sanctioned for it. On a real life situation driving like that will get you a black flag in no time!

 

[carracerptp]

I don't see the problem, it is technically clean and it is using the game as it was intended?
The game was made to do that, so I say use it.

 

[Jubby]

All they need to do is place a row of cones on the edge of the road and the problem would be fixed.

I agree with this. They did at the Eifel test (2-3 or 2-4, I think).

I wonder if they don't have as much "adding" ability on the already created tracks.

 

[mikeonthebike]

I'd call it cutting/cheating/dirty. It's a case of somebody abusing what is allowed in the programming to the very limit. I hope the finals are more strict than that.

 

[Samus]

That thread is different.. hes talking about a glitch in where your car will speed up when you have 2 wheels off track due to a possible glitch in the physics.

What im asking is for people to let me know if what they see in the photos I provided do they consider it a corner cut or not.

It's sort of the same because in your pictures whilst they're undeniably off the track the line they're taking should still NOT be faster than your line, as the traction should be much worse, not to mention bumpy/uneven.

In short, yes it's a cut and yes it's a big problem because it either a) shouldn't be possible or b) as fast as it is.

 

[Maccer_42]

All they need to do is place a row of cones on the edge of the road and the problem would be fixed.

I agree with this. They did at the Eifel test (2-3 or 2-4, I think).

I wonder if they don't have as much "adding" ability on the already created tracks.

I agree they should use the cones for any corner when the track edge isn't a wall or barrier.

It's sort of the same because in your pictures whilst they're undeniably off the track the line they're taking should still NOT be faster than your line, as the traction should be much worse, not to mention bumpy/uneven.

In short, yes it's a cut and yes it's a big problem because it either a) shouldn't be possible or b) as fast as it is.

Fair point yeah it's sort of the same but the disscusion point is different, hes talking about being able to put the 2 inside wheels into the grass which causes wheel spin and somehow speeds up the car when it should slow down.

Im wanting to talk about what should be allowed when cutting corners and how far can the "2 wheels on track at all times" rule be streched either for this GT Academy competition or just GT5 in general (Mostly the GT Academy).

 

[ChevyMikeGT]

They should put cones all along the white line so no one can do this..... Hopefully they will do something to fix it before the comp is over! If I put this comp on I wouldn't allow grass driving. Just seems too unfair for people who are willing to do the comp respectfully! I know I will NOT be using grass lines!

 

[Mr_X]

Wow

 

[NjLowrider]

Can't blame a guy for trying to drive from point a to b quicker than everyone else. We all can try to do the same thing so it's not cheating. It's pd's rules.

Don't hate the player, hate the game..

 

[Froudeybrand]

I did the first one on the racing line. Then watched at reply from the first 10 and "cut" corners and reduced my time conserablailty

 

[jaskingt5]

can't blame a guy for trying to drive from point a to b quicker than everyone else. We all can try to do the same thing so it's not cheating. It's pd's rules.

Don't hate the player, hate the game..

+1

 

[SupervillainX]

Shouldn't driving on the grass like that make the car go all bumpy and actually reduce speed, and therefore lap time?

Or is GT Academy broken? (Mine is still downloading)

 

[usuhaia08]

I only hope round 8 doesn't allow this.

 

[HugeGremlins]

when i touch the grass it disqualifies me

 

[markyboy92]

Can't blame a guy for trying to drive from point a to b quicker than everyone else. We all can try to do the same thing so it's not cheating. It's pd's rules.

Don't hate the player, hate the game..

👍👍👍👍

 

[Beatstuff]

Funny fact: at the Nürburgring the "Caracciola Karussel" is named after the F1-driver Caracciola who cutted this turn so heavy on the inner side on the grass, so everyone done it after hin. the next year the install the plates on the inner side, so it's allowed for everyone.

so, please don't blame the the drivers, just inform the racecontrole

 

[daus26]

I use this grass exploit stuff a couple or so times in GT5 with the X2010/2011 on the Indy track when I was trying to get the top speed quickly. I found out that driving on the grass is much faster than on the track. This is nothing new.

 

[QB1o]

Rally drivers do it on tarmac stages, using the inside wheels like an anchor.

Nothing dishonest about it!

 

[xzaero]

it's still annoying that it can be abused so much - over half of the car off the track is annoying to see IMO

cones on all the next stages would be a great way to stop this - though i do admit, hitting cones with a small drift by accident is annoying

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

Rally drivers do it on tarmac stages, using the inside wheels like an anchor.

Nothing dishonest about it!

Next time you take your car, try to go at 100 km/h on a very long curv and hit the grass with 2 of your tyres and stay there all the time and try to accelerate. Let me know how it end up, if you're still alive that's it.

Rally drivers have special tyres and racing car, which isnt the same as a leaf.

I dont blame people, the game is to be faster, if the game let you cut and makes you faster, use it, but it's not realistic. There's a difference between clipping the apex and hitting the grass for a fraction of a seconds and staying on the grass the whole corner.

 

[nofxmike06]

Funny fact: at the Nürburgring the "Caracciola Karussel" is named after the F1-driver Caracciola who cutted this turn so heavy on the inner side on the grass, so everyone done it after hin. the next year the install the plates on the inner side, so it's allowed for everyone.

so, please don't blame the the drivers, just inform the racecontrole

That's awesome history! thanks for sharing!

 

[Samus]

Can't blame a guy for trying to drive from point a to b quicker than everyone else. We all can try to do the same thing so it's not cheating. It's pd's rules.

Don't hate the player, hate the game..

Yes you can. Most honest racers wouldn't even think of driving four wheels across the grass, they stick to the tarmac. Just because it's possible, doesn't mean they're not cheating.

Rally drivers do it on tarmac stages, using the inside wheels like an anchor.

Nothing dishonest about it!

Rallying is completely different, they are free to drive wherever they like, even taking small shortcuts if they like. In track based motorsport you are restricted to the track, usually defined by a solid line around the track. Take four wheels over that line as some people are doing and it's cheating, whether the game allows you or not.

 

[zzz_pt]

@Simonk, So you are saying that all GT Academy finalists weren't honest racers... Because all of them, to be fast an be on top, made "corner cutting" (1 wheel on the road and 3 out).

I share this opinion:

"NjLowrider View Post
Can't blame a guy for trying to drive from point a to b quicker than everyone else. We all can try to do the same thing so it's not cheating. It's pd's rules.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.."

 

[Tidgney]

The thing is, if in real life you got the opportunity to use this in a racing situation you would. But the thing is the fast drivers will still be ahead even if you limited it so you can't really hate on the guys for using the track to its full and maximum potential.

I mean in fairness everyone goes to the limits of the rules just a few more random race scenarios I've remembered;

V8 Supercars (At hamilton I think it was) you had 5 chances (As sometimes depending on the situation you might accidently do this) at straight lining the chicane, so the last few laps some drivers had only used 2 so they purposefully abused the line so they gained more speed.

F1 at Bahrain may have been a slightly different circumstance, but Lewis going onto the; what you would think is sand, but was actually a hard surface overtaking rosberg (Only because rosberg pushed him there) but even so thats knowledge of track limits, grip and design.

You'll use the limits your allowed, in real life or a virtual environment so you can't hate on the players for using the limits of the tracks. You get out of the game what you want to. Similarly for me round 2-5 I won't be bashing into cars but I'll still be happy with improving my times, I'm not going to hate on the guys at the top I disagree with it but you play it how you want to.

I can pretty much bet Round 8-5 will have had a thorough looking over after what happened with the US GT Academy, and any other complaints made about the EU one (When the top guys were using 2 wheels on the grass in parts just to reduce corner angle by that little bit further).

So just enjoy the academy as you like to play it .

 

[QB1o]

Any motorsport with kerbs that can be mounted to cut times will see the kerb used as track.
Unless hitting the kerb slows/damages/bounces the car.
As the kerb in question is not slowing down the leaf, why not use it?

This is a race with a prize at the end for the fastest, after all.
That's why rally drivers hook the apex with the tyres, they want to win.

 

[Maccer_42]

I'm not sure why my thread got merged with this one as the discussion points are different, the OP of this thread was talking about a possible physics glitch in where by putting the 2 inside wheels in the grass it will gain speed mid corner.

My thread was talking about how far can and should the "2 wheels on track" rule be exploited to carry more speed through a corner, and at what point are you no longer considered "on track". But what ever it's been merged now

For everyone using rally as an example for drivers cutting corners to get faster times, as SimonK stated rally racing is different as all they have to do is get from point A to point B as quick as possible they dont have an offical track edge to stay within.

I'm still waiting to see if anyone will defend the driving in the pictures I posted as being legitimate and keeping within the "2 wheels on track" rule. And I would also like to see an example of similar driving in real track based motorsports, and not just a picture of a driver with 2 wheels just beyond the inside curb, I want to see an example where the only part of the car on track is the very outer edge of his outside tyres throughout the majority of a corner.


@ Tidgney cuttting chicanes are a different story in my opinion, I can't think of the right wording in my head to explain what I mean right now.

Put for your point about Hamilton at Bahrain, that is irrelevant to the discussion in my opinion, he had more speed coming out of the corner than rosberg and was pushed wide on the straight, he only used that line to pass a slower moving vehicle blocking him, he didn't repeat the same line lap after lap to get a faster time.

 

[nofxmike06]

I'm not sure why my thread got merged with this one as the discussion points are different, the OP of this thread was talking about a possible glitch in where by putting the 2 inside wheels in the grass it will gain speed mid corner.

My thread was talking about how far can and should the "2 wheels on track" rule be exploited to carry more speed through a corner, and at what point are you no longer considered "on track".

There have been multiple mentions of what, where, when corner cutting is legal in GT academy in this thread. Frankly, the only way you'll know is to push the limit until you're DQ'd or watch the ghost of the leader and attempt to match or beat his time. This is a competition and a stiff one at that. There are real world rewards and thats enough to drive people to push the limits if not beyond. Its not justification but it certainly explains the situation.