Grass / Curb "Bug"= Extra Acceleration

[D-Max]

No, I personally would love this chance. I drive each and every day and have track experience which stacks up but I can't currently justify buying a steering wheel that will be used for 2/3 hours a week.

 

[SilverArrow]

When talking about cheating/corner cutting, you can go even further:

This GT Academy event is basically a casting for becoming a real racing driver. So everybody who takes part, should have this goal.


- Why cutting corners? You will not be able to do so on a real track...

- Why using DS3? You will not be able to plug it into a real racing car...

- Why using any other view than the cockpit view? You will not be able to run behind your real car while driving...

All that just for becoming number 1 in the online ranking? That will not help anybody to have sucess later in this event.

For this event I would like to see very strict regulations in regard to the game setup, the input device (wheel), the view, the racing line etc. Let's call it maximum realism. Everything else does not make sense in an event like this.

Just my 2 cents...

So what, in real life you don't race on comfort tyres, you don't have the ability to restart and the winner is unlikely ever to be racing a nissan leaf. The competition is open to almost everyone so I believe you should be able to use any setup or view you want. Unless you're worried about people using other setups being faster than you.

 

[Mahnegold]

So what, in real life you don't race on comfort tyres, you don't have the ability to restart and the winner is unlikely ever to be racing a nissan leaf. The competition is open to almost everyone so I believe you should be able to use any setup or view you want. Unless you're worried about people using other setups being faster than you.

No no, you didn't get my point.

I know that this competition is open to everyone and I know there are a lot of faster guys out there. No enviousness from my side. 👍

My opinion is just that if PD is searching for a real life race driver, this event should be much more regulated.

In 2001 I took part in the "casting" for the VW Lupo Cup in Germany (and failed). They used the Cup-Lupo (race car) but with Pirelli street tires. I have no clue if you would call these tires sports or comfort tires...

My point is just, if I were PD, then for me it would be much more target-aimed to do such an event with much more regulations.

I don't want this for GT5, I am only talking about GT Academy. Just to make that clear.

As I said, it's just my opinion. I am not blaming anybody who takes part in this event according to the valid rules.

 

[zzz_pt]

Does any of you guys know of the regulation of the competition? I would like to read it... its a shame that PD hasn't made it available yet...

 

[D-Max]

No arguing on my behalf, I'm just pointing out reasons to counteract your concerns!

 

[AAR_CobraJet]

I wanna make the top 32and i'm gonna do what i have to do regardless of wether its simlike or not.

I suppose, then, I should rob a bank since it's much easier to steal money rather than EARN it.

 

[MSTER232]

May be the comparison sounds a bit crazy but... don't you see Initial-D when Takumi puts the inner wheel in the ditch? This is the same principle?

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[SohnVonStig]

 

[Spagetti69]

I suppose, then, I should rob a bank since it's much easier to steal money rather than EARN it.

If you know an easy way to rob a bank PM me.

 

[nMd_pRo]

I think you guys are very "elitist" concerning to what should and should not be used during Gt academy.

Gt academy is an event that, firstly, is a fun experience with a competitive side, thats why all people are allowed to enter, even if they are not eligible to go further onto the competition, just for the sake of fun everyone can and should enter it.

Second, Gran Turismo still is a game simulation, and nothing else more, real physics are still different from the game, and you can see that beside of that, you have your own physical side of this, if they made of this event that elitist, why would they let people go further on this competition knowing that some may never have psychological and physical preparation to do more than play behind a wheel and a TV screen?

This is all about who has the best knowledge on how to find a racing line, and know a few things about real physics. Through playing this game you'll never have a feeling for adrenaline of knowing that your life can end in the next corner, or some of you get too nervous for even getting behind a 1Million $ car.

I still think that corner cutting shouldn't be allowed, but i'm not against an view of the car, neither the racing setup of anyone, people have what they want and what they can afford, and some players of DS3 might know a lot more than a wheel racer.

 

[dixonbaps]

I don't know if this is relevant to this thread but I'm sure the AI use the grass/curb for a quick boost. I've noticed this recently (when this thread came about) in the 650pp seasonal events. Specially the Nurb race. If you're following the lead car you'll notice that almost every time it accelerates out of a corner it hits the side of the track and causes a little cloud of some sort as it runs over the side slightly with its inside wheels and then starts to run away a little.

So to me the so called Grass/Curb "Bug"=Extra Acceleration is not really a "bug" or "cheat" but something that PD have intentionally allowed.

If that's not the case and it is a "bug" then why would PD program it's AI to do it?

If it is a "bug" then it is apparent that there is a major flaw in PD's already poor AI programming and should be sorted out now or the GT Academy may turn out not to be so fair and become a farce where you can have a good chance of winning by exploiting the "bug"

 

[Mahnegold]

I agree, the way I define the Academy is elitist. But it's only a single opinion out of thousands.

I am defenately not thinking to speak the one and only truth.

Maybe PD has different goals with this event than I would have. To each his own.

 

[Caz]

Maybe PD has different goals with this event than I would have. To each his own.

Sales.
A new reason to advertise. I busted out the wheel to start this, as well as installing all gt updates and game data into my second ps3. Took like 2+ hours all said and done.

Gt academy has absolutely resparked interest in the game for me as well as many others as well I'm sure. I know I wont do very well leaderboard wise but its still a new reason to play.

 

[Griffith500]

I agree, the way I define the Academy is elitist. But it's only a single opinion out of thousands.

I am defenately not thinking to speak the one and only truth.

Maybe PD has different goals with this event than I would have. To each his own.

I agree with much of what you said, but I would (go further and) argue that this kind of time trial is nowhere near the "optimal" way to find the best overall racers anyway. Some people will "under-perform", relatively, and others "over-perform", in terms of their virtual hot-lapping ability, versus their real-world racing ability. Thankfully the law of averages hasn't let them down yet and produced a real stinker!

But I doubt it needs to be "optimal" anyway (they don't need the next Ayrton Senna etc., realistically) and Sony / PD / Nissan / etc. probably don't want it to be optimal for "talent" selection in the first place. They're focused on the publicity, more than likely, which promises / brings in money. That, in turn, of course allows the racing team(s) a higher ceiling of potential success, which is almost certainly a much bigger factor than any one driver will be, who is probably only an "amateur" anyway, in the relative sense...

The resulting success on the track only leads to more good publicity, so it's quite the bubble they're setting themselves up in. Clever partnership.


Anyway, the grass acceleration "bug", if that's what it is, is still a bad thing irrespective, because it implies that the general handling of the cars doesn't follow reality in a very basic sense.

 

[Christian_C]

The way I see it is that for the first 7 rounds they can corner cut as much as they like as they aren't gaining anything. As long as it doesn't happen in round 8 I'm not complaining.

 

[Skinny DG]

Different year, different Academy events, same complaining. Shame. After so many years of doing this don't you think PD would have addressed this issue if it were ACTUALLY an issue? I think they would have. After all, if you competed in last years event then you would realize that hitting the wall is an instant DQ no matter how hard this year. This is a welcome change from last year. I think 'corner cutting' has been been addressed by PD. I recommend you either stop complaining or stop racing. I prefer you stop racing.

As far as the thread goes. I'm curious to hear a developer say, "This is the way it's supposed to be." I think it IS the way its supposed to be since they've had YEARS to perfect this competition.

 

[nofxmike06]

Different year, different Academy events, same complaining. Shame. After so many years of doing this don't you think PD would have addressed this issue if it were ACTUALLY an issue? I think they would have. After all, if you competed in last years event then you would realize that hitting the wall is an instant DQ no matter how hard this year. This is a welcome change from last year. I think 'corner cutting' has been been addressed by PD. I recommend you either stop complaining or stop racing. I prefer you stop racing.

As far as the thread goes. I'm curious to hear a developer say, "This is the way it's supposed to be." I think it IS the way its supposed to be since they've had YEARS to perfect this competition.

Agreed. :👍:

 

[Dhalism]

After so many years of doing this don't you think PD would have addressed this issue if it were ACTUALLY an issue?

After years of playing games from many different publishers and developers I can with certainty say that no, no they wouldn't have.

 

[ROYALEFATALE]

The way I see it is that for the first 7 rounds they can corner cut as much as they like as they aren't gaining anything. As long as it doesn't happen in round 8 I'm not complaining.

can pretty much guarantee it will be happening in round 8

 

[smeadows99]

wow smh so i have to put 4 wheels in the grass and not use the proper racing line just to stay alive and make it to the following rounds like last year? Did anyone email PD with those pictures yet??? i couldnt believe what i saw when this was happening this year in the leaf. its sad ppl will find anyway to win. Like Brian H, i HOPE you top ppl doing these corner cuts actually have driving/racing expirience and not just able to master a video game. Many ppl can master a driving game. Few can apply it in real life as we saw last yr

 

[nofxmike06]

After years of playing games from many different publishers and developers I can with certainty say that no, no they wouldn't have.

You missed the point. Let me put it bluntly. Its not a problem because PD doesn't see it as an issue. QUITUR

 

[Samus]

You missed the point. Let me put it bluntly. Its not a problem because PD doesn't see it as an issue. QUITUR

How do you know? They clearly have problems with it because last time they had to change the track after people were cutting corners.

 

[zzz_pt]

They werent cutting corners, they were doing rally... completely ignoring the track.

 

[nofxmike06]

How do you know? They clearly have problems with it because last time they had to change the track after people were cutting corners.

Were gamers disqualified for "cutting corners" or did they advance? If a driver hits a wall in this competition, he's DQ'd this year. If Round 8 circuits this year have all walls and no grass this will become a non-issue.💡

 

[Samus]

Were gamers disqualified for "cutting corners" or did they advance? If a driver hits a wall in this competition, he's DQ'd this year. If Round 8 circuits this year have all walls and no grass this will become a non-issue.💡

Like I said, they just completely changed tracks to one where they couldn't cut, so PD obviously know it's an issue.

 

[Skinny DG]

Didn't they actually change the track a couple times. I remember the one (Indy?) were everyone started cutting through the S turns and ignoring the road altogether. That was a track they change to and had to change it AGAIN, I think. The borders of off/on track are much better this time though.

 

[nofxmike06]

Like I said, they just completely changed tracks to one where they couldn't cut, so PD obviously know it's an issue.

Any time I've gone four wheels in the grass its DQ'd me. I watched the leader a couple days ago and he was only two wheels in the grass. Which leader is everyone referring to?

 

[Mahnegold]

Have a look on page 2 of this thread. There are some pictures.

 

[nofxmike06]

Have a look on page 2 of this thread. There are some pictures.

Thanks for the update. When I was keeping a close eye on this thread, page 2 did not have those photos. I see the point now! This is another reason i'm only in the GT Academy competition for fun. There are no judges watching every single replay for validity and fairness.

 

[marcus_war]

I think that if more than half of one tire width touches the grass you should be disqualified. It cuts down on corner cutting significantly.

Not saying I'm better than anyone, because I do the same thing to at least get a decent time. But the amount of car that is allowed to be on the grass in time trials is borderline unlimited. The way that the system I'm thinking of forces you to find the best way to enter, go through, and exit the corner.


In NASCAR, at Daytona and Talladega, you cannot advance position if you drop below the yellow line without having to surrender that position or get a black flag. It doesn't matter how much of your car is above the line, it only matters how much is under it. Essentially, this should be added for GT Academy, and Seasonal TTs, that way there will be fewer cheaters taking away spots that someone else can earn legitimately.

And when I say decent, I mean ranking at least in the top 6,000.