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I usually get all my info from contacts, radiolemans.com and dailysportscar.com, only one of those 3 are links I could put here (mostly to podcasts) as the people I know only talk to people they know and DSC is largely subscriber only content (which if you are a sportscar fan is worth getting a subscription to).

*cough cough* lol. "know" or stalk hahaha :sly:
 
Let's say I own a car. I use the car a lot and I like it. It's fast, has a nice paint job and interior and I've put some money into it. But, (we'll replace monetary economy with fuel economy, just so there's no confusion on why I own two cars in a bad economy) my current car is getting bad fuel mileage, so I go and buy a more fuel efficient car to use alongside my old car. People ask me what I'm going to be doing with my old car and I tell them that I'm going to be driving it along with my new car.

Some time goes by and people ask me about my new car and I tell them that I'm going to be driving it a lot, because of the fuel economy. I never mention my old car in the conversation, just that I'm driving my new car a lot and I like it. I figure that everyone knows I'm still driving my old car, no one is asking about it so I don't talk about, even though I'm still using it because it's fast and nice and every once and awhile it's nice to take it out on occasion.

It means absolutely nothing when they say they're going to be using GT3 regulations. Nothing. Because they already said they would be using the regulations. Now, when they say they'll be exclusively using GT3 regulations... then we'll have reason to believe that there won't be any GT1 cars showing up to the party. When they say they won't be using GT1 regulations then we'll have reason to believe that GT1 won't be showing up to the party.
I'll use an analogy too then; let's say you own a diesel fueled car. You want to enter a race with it. Sadly, they only allow gasoline fueled cars. The rules does'nt say no diesels, but gasoline only. See? GT3 regulations automatically rule out any GT1's.
 
I'll use an analogy too then; let's say you own a diesel fueled car. You want to enter a race with it. Sadly, they only allow gasoline fueled cars. The rules does'nt say no diesels, but gasoline only. See? GT3 regulations automatically rule out any GT1's.

That's why they have the other class that allows "diesel fuel" cars. Then they'll performance balance them out to be competitive against each other. Gasoline cars on one side, Diesel cars on the other. Because unlike this analogical racing series you're talking about, the one I'm talking about has not said that "diesel cars" will not be allowed, or that they'll only be using gasoline cars.
 
Fml man just can it. It will be GT3 only and that's that. If GT1 cars were still allowed we would definitely have JRM and Young Driver back with their GT1 cars, same with All-Inkl and even Reiter were going to enter.

By now we would have gotten a BoP sheet for GT1 and GT3 cars but guess what, we haven't! Holy crap batman!

Simply put, GT3 ONLY. Get it? My god I hope you do....

Funny story, diesel and hybrids would actually be allowed in GT1 if homologated (yes, I asked....).
 
@ Snaeper

Of the list of GT1 cars you provided as follows

Saleen S7R
Corvette C6R
Aston Martin DBR9
Nissan GT-R GT1
Lamborghini Murciealgo R-GT
Maserati MC12
Ford GT Matech GT1

Exactly how many of these car are still in production? With the exception of the Nissan GT-R, they were all long past it two years ago.

The 2010 GT1 championship had 24 cars. Two teams for each manufacturer and two cars for each team. The Maserati MC12 did compete because two teams ran it. If two teams could have been found to run a total of four Saleen S7R they would have been allowed to run.

The 2011 GT1 championship lost the Maserati MC12 because only one team could run it. No other reason at all.

That should have left 20 cars. Only 18 took part in the first race since one of the two teams running the Corvette C6R didn't show up, either for that race or any other race.

By the time they got to Silverstone there were only 16 cars left as two Lamborghini's crashed out in the previous round and no spare parts were available.

The single most common complaint up and down the pitline throughout the season was the availability of spare parts for cars which are no longer supported.

The so called organizer body even changed it's own calendar towards the end of the season to cancel a round and insert another.

Stephane Ratel wanted to run GT1 along with upgraded GT3 cars but the teams told him that they couldn't enter with GT1's as they couldn't guarantee either cars or spare parts.

Ratel went to the FIA with a request to drop GT1 and run the championship to GT3 rules.

They agreed to that and thus this statement.

FIA GT1 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

Following discussions between the promoter SRO, teams and manufacturers/tuners concerning the organisation of the 2012 FIA GT1 World Championship, the WMSC agreed a need to support series Promoter, SRO, in its efforts to secure the future of the Championships in a difficult economic climate. As a result, the WMSC accepted the Commission’s proposal to run the 2012 FIA GT1 World Championship with GT3 cars, as the existing field of GT1 cars is no longer sufficient. The World Championship will run side by side with the FIA GT3 European Championship on European events.

Taken from this post

http://radiolemans.0157.org/content/fia-world-council-december

Confirming what will happen.

That's an official FIA press release by the way.

There are no where near enough GT1 cars anymore. They are dinosaurs. Accept this and move on.

Ratel doesn't do himself any favours at all in this. All he need to do is rename the championship and questions like this would not crop up.
 
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May I suggest to Snaeper to email SRO and ask them directly if you can enter 'your' Saleen S7R or anyother GT1 car you want to pretend to own a pair of in order to get answer. Go direct to the source if you want an answer that's official....
 
If the FIA still wants to use the GT1 moniker, then how come they simply just boost up the current GT3 cars to match the GT1 power levels, and make that the professional drivers car, while the other car will be normal GT3 spec.
Ratel seems to have a hard time stomaching the fact that the true GT1 class is obsolete.
 
Fml man just can it. It will be GT3 only and that's that. If GT1 cars were still allowed we would definitely have JRM and Young Driver back with their GT1 cars, same with All-Inkl and even Reiter were going to enter.

By now we would have gotten a BoP sheet for GT1 and GT3 cars but guess what, we haven't! Holy crap batman!

Simply put, GT3 ONLY. Get it? My god I hope you do....

Funny story, diesel and hybrids would actually be allowed in GT1 if homologated (yes, I asked....).

What does FML mean?

You really have a hard time being nice. Even if you are right (and Im not saying you arent) its dificult for people to take you seriously or learn something from your posts with that attitude.
 
Moving on.

News; A Hyundai GT3 is in the loops! http://www.endurance-info.com/version2/news-focus-9475.html
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Read this The fact that McLaren and Ferrari are present now, confirms that there will be no GT1 cars.

Did you read it yourself?

Aston Martin Racing managing director John Gaw said, “We support what Young Driver wants to do, and our understanding is that it wants to race in the championship with the DBR9 GT1 car as previously agreed. At this stage there are no plans to enter the championship with the our new GT3 [V12 Vantage].”
 
Did you read it yourself?

Aston Martin Racing managing director John Gaw said, “We support what Young Driver wants to do, and our understanding is that it wants to race in the championship with the DBR9 GT1 car as previously agreed. At this stage there are no plans to enter the championship with the our new GT3 [V12 Vantage].”

Stubborn eh? Mclaren said :
"McLaren GT project manager Andrew Kirkaldy said, “We’ve been asked time and time again by Stephane to look at the world championship, but it wasn’t right for us. At the time of the launch, doing the world championship would have meant racing against GT1 cars and GTE cars, which was not doable as far as we were concerned.

“Some things that are happening could change that situation. If the championship was only open to GT3 cars, then why wouldn’t we want to do it?”

McLaren IS present in the championship, so that means it is only open to GT3 cars.

gt1world.com
The FIA GT Commission proposes to harmonize the FIA GT1 World and FIA GT3 European Championship’s regulations as well as their calendars in Europe to guarantee the growth of the FIA GT sprint platform.

With so many GT3 cars having been homologated since SRO first proposed the category in 2005, GT3 is the natural choice for the premier GT sprint series, and with most of the current GT1 generation coming to the end of their homologation period, a move to the GT3 category was the logical step.

“With the difficult economic climate and the ever-growing competition in motorsport we felt that the unification of the GT1 World and GT3 European Championships’ technical and sporting regulations was the best solution to guarantee the growth of the sprint format for GT cars and progress toward the ultimate goal of 10 teams representing 10 brands in the World Championship” said Stephane Ratel, founder and CEO of SRO Motorsports Group.

“We had a fantastic end to the 2011 season, meeting all our objectives in terms of coverage, spectator attendance and grids, with an extremely successful campaign in China, a grand finale in Argentina and an amazing GT3 finale in Zandvoort.”

“As previously announced, the concept for the GT1 World Championship in 2012 is to have each team being the exclusive representative of one particular brand of car.

“By adopting the GT3 technical regulations, we are opening the way for the addition of a host of brands. Such a diversity of prestigious models in a single category would make the FIA GT1 World Championship unique in international motorsport.”

Besides the recent confirmation of World Championship winning team Hexis entering McLaren cars, teams bringing more prestigious brands are set to join the fray. A number of teams are expected to announce their participation shortly.

The unification of the sporting regulations will see the FIA GT3 European Championship adopt the exciting pit-stops and Qualifying/Championship Race format seen in GT1, while retaining the driver categorisation system.

There will be no driver categorisation in GT1, aimed at the top professional teams and drivers, which will move over to the traditional-style qualifying seen in GT3. As always, the cars will be balanced by the FIA to ensure equal performance.

“The FIA GT3 European Championship has remained unchanged since 2006, and has given rise to many national series around the world, which have copied the format,” Ratel explained. “The European Championship needs to regain its own specific nature and be more professional. We have therefore decided to adopt the best of the World Championship, in order to turn the European Championship into the perfect training ground for GT1. The teams and drivers will also benefit from additional media and TV coverage.”

Ratel added that in the event of a worsening economic situation in Europe where a minimum of 20 full-season entrants would not be garanteed in each championship – FIA GT1 World and FIA GT3 European – a merger could be an appropriate solution, made possible by the unified format.

The calendar and revised sporting regulations will be submitted to the World Motor Sport Council in early December for ratification.

I have highlighted the crucial part.
 
Stubborn??? I had already been convinced that there would be no GT1 cars in this year championship until I read your link.

Read this The fact that McLaren and Ferrari are present now, confirms that there will be no GT1 cars.

Ratel met with the FIA at the end of last month to discuss doing away with the existing GT1 machinery and making the world championship GT3-only. This is the latest in the line of rule changes he has pushed through as he attempts to attract 10 teams running machinery from 10 manufacturers for next year.


The 2012 world championship was opened up initially to GT3 and GTE cars, which would have been performance-balanced with the existing GT1 cars. The possibility of running the cars from the GTE class was removed in September, at the same time the baseline of performance was shifted toward GT3 cars.


No final decision has been made, according to Ratel.

“There is nothing to confirm now,” he said. “It is just a discussion.”


Ratel’s latest move appears primarily motivated by a desire to change McLaren’s mind on supporting the world championship and securing Ferrari’s involvement. The Italian manufacturer had been committed to supporting the Vita4One team’s entry with a GTE-based 458 Italia, but Ferrari also does not want to race against GT1 machinery with the GT3 variant of the car.


Ratel appears to be hoping that the three teams originally planning to run GT1-spec cars next year will switch to GT3 machines. The All-Inkl.com Lamborghini squad has confirmed that it will run GT3 Gallardos in place of GT1 Murciélagos, but doubts remain over the JRM Nissan and Young Driver Aston Martin teams.


Aston Martin Racing managing director John Gaw said, “We support what Young Driver wants to do, and our understanding is that it wants to race in the championship with the DBR9 GT1 car as previously agreed. At this stage there are no plans to enter the championship with the our new GT3 [V12 Vantage].”

JRM has said it is still evaluating Ratel’s proposals. It had planned to run GT1 Nissan GT-Rs, but it is also developing a GT3 GT-R in conjunction with Nismo, the Japanese manufacturer’s motorsports division.


I have highlighted the crucial part.

You may call me stubborn, stupid or whatever you want but Im only trying to figure out what will be this years format and how will it affect performance and the series that Ive been following on a regular basis since 2010 and to do so I trust on the valid infos I gather on the internet and on whatever valid links (facts) users here kindly share because the «its going to be like this because I say so or because I know for a fact» doesnt do it for me but after reading your link (the one you obviously didnt read yourself) and your attitude towards the fact that I actually took the time to read it myself (figuring it would in fact clear the subject once and for all) I feel pretty stupid for trusting a link shared by someone that didnt bother to read it properly.

And the fact is that since the announcement of GT3/GT1 cars in GT1 (this year only) there hasnt been another stating that it will be GT3 cars only after all (in this year of transition)... at least none that I can gather from what I read in GT1 world or elsewere. Because we all know that after 2013 it will be only GT3 cars as highlighted by you in your previous post.

The only thing that leads me to believe that there will be no GT1 cars in the grid this year is the fact that JRM has pulled out of the championship but until Young Driver states what they want or will do there will still be some doubts regarding this issue.

You make it sound like Im selling GT1 cars or something when I just want to figure out what will happen and if Im going to see the cars that I liked so much like the Lambo GT1, the DBR9 GT1, the MC12 GT1 (gone in 2011 because of the now absolete rule 4 cars per manufacturer - 2 teams), the Corvette GT1, etc... and IMO that will only be beneficial if the Grid/teams/number of manufactures and cars is extended wich doesnt seem to be the case unfortunatly.
 
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Right, since some are having a hard time getting to grips with the fact that GT World this year will only be GT3 cars (transition year doesnt exist with Ratel) how bout each one of you guys who thinks GT1 will still be in sends SRO an email or asks them on facebook. You want a valid official answer? Go straight to the source.
 
Right, since some are having a hard time getting to grips with the fact that GT World this year will only be GT3 cars (transition year doesnt exist with Ratel) how bout each one of you guys who thinks GT1 will still be in sends SRO an email or asks them on facebook. You want a valid official answer? Go straight to the source.

So what car is the Team Young Driver going to use? can you shed some light?
 
Fml man just can it. It will be GT3 only and that's that. If GT1 cars were still allowed we would definitely have JRM and Young Driver back with their GT1 cars, same with All-Inkl and even Reiter were going to enter.

By now we would have gotten a BoP sheet for GT1 and GT3 cars but guess what, we haven't! Holy crap batman!

Simply put, GT3 ONLY. Get it? My god I hope you do....

Funny story, diesel and hybrids would actually be allowed in GT1 if homologated (yes, I asked....).

You guys apparently long ago forgot the whole reason I started this argument in the first place! I'll give you a hint: it was for the exact reason that I have bolded. I don't care if GT1 cars do or do not race. I don't care if it's only GT3 cars. I would prefer it only be GT3 cars. I love the class, I love the variation and I think it would make for a large and varied field exactly as Mr. Ratel envisions.

The whole reason I started arguing is because I wanted some hard proof that GT3 cars were going to be the only cars used. You (specifically you) continued to reply with a two-line paragraph without any sources and any leads that I could even try to research to find proof that it would only be GT3 cars.

I counter-point argued because I found your assumptions to be weak that it would only be GT3. Well instead of helping me and giving me a proper link that I found gave a definitive answer, you all grew irate and started simply attacking my argument and evidence instead of providing proper evidence like I asked for. And now (remember the part I bolded) you still haven't learned your lesson and you're still giving me these borderline snarky retorts that I interpret as "I know all the inner-workings and I don't have to give you any proof because I'm right and that's that." That's the attitude I've felt from you from the very beginning (I apologize if that's not how you meant to come across, that's just how I've felt you've come across). It's purely as a result of this attitude that I've wanted to show you that you might be wrong.

@ Snaeper

Of the list of GT1 cars you provided as follows

Saleen S7R
Corvette C6R
Aston Martin DBR9
Nissan GT-R GT1
Lamborghini Murciealgo R-GT
Maserati MC12
Ford GT Matech GT1

Exactly how many of these car are still in production? With the exception of the Nissan GT-R, they were all long past it two years ago.

The 2010 GT1 championship had 24 cars. Two teams for each manufacturer and two cars for each team. The Maserati MC12 did compete because two teams ran it. If two teams could have been found to run a total of four Saleen S7R they would have been allowed to run.

The 2011 GT1 championship lost the Maserati MC12 because only one team could run it. No other reason at all.

That should have left 20 cars. Only 18 took part in the first race since one of the two teams running the Corvette C6R didn't show up, either for that race or any other race.

By the time they got to Silverstone there were only 16 cars left as two Lamborghini's crashed out in the previous round and no spare parts were available.

The single most common complaint up and down the pitline throughout the season was the availability of spare parts for cars which are no longer supported.

The so called organizer body even changed it's own calendar towards the end of the season to cancel a round and insert another.

Stephane Ratel wanted to run GT1 along with upgraded GT3 cars but the teams told him that they couldn't enter with GT1's as they couldn't guarantee either cars or spare parts.

Ratel went to the FIA with a request to drop GT1 and run the championship to GT3 rules.

They agreed to that and thus this statement.



Taken from this post

http://radiolemans.0157.org/content/fia-world-council-december

Confirming what will happen.

That's an official FIA press release by the way.

There are no where near enough GT1 cars anymore. They are dinosaurs. Accept this and move on.

Ratel doesn't do himself any favours at all in this. All he need to do is rename the championship and questions like this would not crop up.

You completely missed my point, but that's okay. I'd just like to apologize for me not reading this because I got halfway down and realized that you were on a whole different subject and figured if I gave any direct response then it would only start another argument and there would be bad blood between us. I hope you can understand.

Read this The fact that McLaren and Ferrari are present now, confirms that there will be no GT1 cars.

Thank you. I can't believe it took two pages for one of you to finally give me a link that spells a definitive end for the GT1 cars. Thank you. Although as tribolik pointed out, it's funny that it also adds fuel to the GT1 car speculation in the same piece... but now I can at least understand where you guys are getting the idea that it will only be GT3 cars. Adopting GT3 regulations doesn't mean anything to me. Super GT adopts new regulations into the GT300 class all the time and all of the cars that follow the old regulations are still part of the party. I would like to point out though, as tribolik did, that it seems as though no definitive answer has been made on whether or not they'll allow GT1 cars... but with only one two teams trying to enter cars and one of them also developing a GT3 car... the likelihood for GT1 cars does look grim. They're not out of the picture until the grid is set, though.

May I suggest to Snaeper to email SRO and ask them directly if you can enter 'your' Saleen S7R or anyother GT1 car you want to pretend to own a pair of in order to get answer. Go direct to the source if you want an answer that's official....

Right, since some are having a hard time getting to grips with the fact that GT World this year will only be GT3 cars (transition year doesnt exist with Ratel) how bout each one of you guys who thinks GT1 will still be in sends SRO an email or asks them on facebook. You want a valid official answer? Go straight to the source.

Well this isn't a very positive attitude. Instead of doing as I politely asked you to do (That being, you giving me some evidence to prove the death of the GT1's, which up until Mt. Lynx's post above... I felt you'd all failed to do) you make ridiculous demands. Had Mt. Lynx not posted that link, I'd assume for sure that you were pulling nonsense out of your hat on this whole "GT1 is completely dead" business, since you'd continually failed to provide solid proof for your argument.

If you know you're right, leave the argument.
 
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Stubborn??? I had already been convinced that there would be no GT1 cars in this year championship until I read your link.






I have highlighted the crucial part.

You may call me stubborn, stupid or whatever you want but Im only trying to figure out what will be this years format and how will it affect performance and the series that Ive been following on a regular basis since 2010 and to do so I trust on the valid infos I gather on the internet and on whatever valid links (facts) users here kindly share because the «its going to be like this because I say so or because I know for a fact» doesnt do it for me but after reading your link (the one you obviously didnt read yourself) and your attitude towards the fact that I actually took the time to read it myself (figuring it would in fact clear the subject once and for all) I feel pretty stupid for trusting a link shared by someone that didnt bother to read it properly.

And the fact is that since the announcement of GT3/GT1 cars in GT1 (this year only) there hasnt been another stating that it will be GT3 cars only after all (in this year of transition)... at least none that I can gather from what I read in GT1 world or elsewere. Because we all know that after 2013 it will be only GT3 cars as highlighted by you in your previous post.

The only thing that leads me to believe that there will be no GT1 cars in the grid this year is the fact that JRM has pulled out of the championship but until Young Driver states what they want or will do there will still be some doubts regarding this issue.

You make it sound like Im selling GT1 cars or something when I just want to figure out what will happen and if Im going to see the cars that I liked so much like the Lambo GT1, the DBR9 GT1, the MC12 GT1 (gone in 2011 because of the now absolete rule 4 cars per manufacturer - 2 teams), the Corvette GT1, etc... and IMO that will only be beneficial if the Grid/teams/number of manufactures and cars is extended wich doesnt seem to be the case unfortunatly.

Did you notice how old this article was? When it was written, McLaren had not yet committed to the WC. The fact that McLaren and Ferrari has entered has made clear that it is no longer a discussion, and a confirmation has been made.

All-inkl.com has gone to Merc SLS´s. YDAM has so far only entered ADAC and neglected to comment on the WC. Nissan has said nothing, but JRM has decided to pull out. So your highlights have been fixed.

The old GT1 cars will undoubtedly go the same way they all have; museums, private collectors or to raceseries where they are allowed, like Dutch supercar f ex.
 
@ Snaeper

There is no bad blood between us mate. 👍

The reason I went into the previous two championships was to show you how the GT1 field had started to dissapear due to the age of the cars. :)
 
@ Snaeper

There is no bad blood between us mate. 👍

The reason I went into the previous two championships was to show you how the GT1 field had started to dissapear due to the age of the cars. :)

I know what you were getting at. I felt like you didn't read the paragraphs that were above and below it.

Ratel wants things larger, so using the GT1 format alone will not be sufficient enough. Here's a list of all the GT1 cars I could think of or find that have been raced in the last 4-5 years.

Saleen S7R
Corvette C6R
Aston Martin DBR9
Nissan GT-R GT1
Lamborghini Murciealgo R-GT
Maserati MC12
Ford GT Matech GT1

Considering that the Maserati and Saleen are disallowed makes that list two shorter. Then add in the fact that an unspecified few will have their homologations ending soon cuts down the list even more. Now when you look at all the GT3 cars that have been homologated or raced in GT3-style series over the past few years...

I had merely been giving an example of all of the GT1 cars that had raced in the last 4-5 years in any series (including Le Mans, where the Saleen was the last car to win the GT1 class). I was showing that Ratel would never have the field that he wanted using GT1 cars because even if all of those cars were new and current the grid still wouldn't be large enough. And when I said that the Saleen and Maserati are disallowed, I was referring either to their lack of homologation, support or team interest in competing with them.

I'm sensing a severe lack of reading comprehension in this thread in general and I feel like that's why this argument has gone on for so long.


... like Dutch supercar f ex.

Thank you for introducing me to what I now think is the coolest racing series ever. Touring Cars and GT's on track at the same time??? Yes, please.
 
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Quick! Post up 5 different links from 8 different sources so people can believe you!

It's at Budh isn't it? I thought Ratel said he wasn't going to go to F1 tracks....
 
Is there ever any coverage of the Durch Supercars series? Because I haven't found any. And I don't really like India. But at least they will more than one big race weekend per year.
 
Is there ever any coverage of the Durch Supercars series? Because I haven't found any. And I don't really like India. But at least they will more than one big race weekend per year.

I know that Motors TV did do some coverage of Dutch Supercar Challenge but that's probably not helpful considering your location. They haven't announced their coverage for 2012 but I'd probably keep a close eye on Dutch Supercar Challenge's official website.

I quite like the Indian Buddh track, it's quite quick and relatively flowing should suit sportscars better than F1 cars. It's interesting news, but I can't see how the championship will even last that long if I'm brutally honest.

That said we are getting a Ferrari team (not sure which one, it's yet to be announced) & rumour is that Reiter Engineering would like to compete if it can find some money and that could be either with the Camaro or Lamborghini's.
 
I know that Motors TV did do some coverage of Dutch Supercar Challenge but that's probably not helpful considering your location. They haven't announced their coverage for 2012 but I'd probably keep a close eye on Dutch Supercar Challenge's official website.

I quite like the Indian Buddh track, it's quite quick and relatively flowing should suit sportscars better than F1 cars. It's interesting news, but I can't see how the championship will even last that long if I'm brutally honest.

That said we are getting a Ferrari team (not sure which one, it's yet to be announced) & rumour is that Reiter Engineering would like to compete if it can find some money and that could be either with the Camaro or Lamborghini's.


Yeah, I live in the U.S. We don't get that stuff here unfortunately.
 
Is there ever any coverage of the Durch Supercars series? Because I haven't found any. And I don't really like India. But at least they will more than one big race weekend per year.

http://www.supercarchallenge.nl/nl/dsc_uitzendingen.html

Here you can choose the year, and every race. Most of the races are with Dutch talking, but some of them (the ones without the logo (the big 6 or MotorsTV) are without any talking, just engine sound!)

The calendar
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