GT Racing - GT1, GT3, Blancpain Endurance Series & National GT SeriesSports Cars
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Yeah, apparently it's a good idea to go four-abreast into the first corner and all go for the apex at the same time.
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And the Renault is about as crazy as the Ford GT (yes, different class but not by much).
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I thought PWC at Long Beach was bad but 7 wide into turn 1 and then the leader gets dumped at turn 3 like a Nascar race.
No no which GT3 race are you talking about, with the 7 wide. I feel like there's a race I don't know about
I was never aware a PWC race happened at Long Beach, I thought it was a sanctioned safety car training drill?
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I thought PWC at Long Beach was bad but 7 wide into turn 1 and then the leader gets dumped at turn 3 like a Nascar race.
I crap myself at the thought of 4 wide on an oval. 7 wide on a Circuit is just asking to chaos to break out.
To be fair though, the road car itself is extreme so the race car is only an extention of that, unlike a race car that had NO road car in the first place.
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http://www.gtopen.net/ The race is on Youtube but you will need a unblocker to see it.No no which GT3 race are you talking about, with the 7 wide. I feel like there's a race I don't know about
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I see 4 wide not 7 wide
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Indeed, I do understand where you're coming from with the spirit of GT and road going cars, but if the only difference between them is the fact that Ford has a model for the road and Renault doesnt, why are we worried about the insanity of the Renault?
Really this whole situation seems over dramatized and knee-jerk. Its a car that could very well have a road going counterpart, but it started life as a single spec racer instead. Its been modified to race in a regional GT3 series and isnt likely going to be seen outside of France.
I hope Renault and Alpine make a road going version and keep their race car unchanged just to show how silly this all is.
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I myself am not worried as this was not an FIA approved homologation, I was just pointing out that difference. The main issue that is at hand is that not only is it a car that started as a race car only, its also actually faster then GT3 cars entirely (and is really far more of a bespoke racer then the whole class, prototype-like handling and all) and yet somehow, the FFSA were convinced into granting their own Homologation to allow this car to race against cars that its basically faster then (which under FIA's Homologation, would be illegal at present). Really, I suppose its another case of people feeling this may lead to a repeat of the late 90s GT1.
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We're not. Do you actually understand what we're trying to say about the car?
...No, I think it's quite a reasoned reaction to a quite frankly ridiculous situation. If it's not a GT3, you can't wave your wand and call it a GT3 one day.
A tremendously expensive road counterpart, but that's still among the least of my issues with the car,
Have you read any of the last page, at all?
Okay - but that doesn't change the situation. Until they do, it isn't a GT3. You can't build a set of regulations on "maybe" or "what if". What if someone entered a few LMP2 cars in the GT3 BoP test? Using your method of thinking, there's nothing stopping them getting a waiver too.
I'd also like the continual vociferous pro-GT3 no matter what stance in this thread to end. GTP is the only place where people seem unable to see it with a reasoned view. It's not the best thing since sliced bread, but people certainly act as though it is.
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I should probably mention that I dont think its a GT3 car, and I dont feel like Renault or the FFSA have attempted to call it that or pass it off as one. They have simply taken another car and put it at GT3 performance levels.
I consider it to be in the same vein as the Acura TLX, Honda CR-Z, Subrau BRZ and SCG 003, falling somewhere between them and the Ginetta, Mosler and other cars.
I consider it to be in the same vein as the Acura TLX, Honda CR-Z, Subrau BRZ and SCG 003, falling somewhere between them and the Ginetta, Mosler and other cars.
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Some are a rip off. Considering you get BoP'd anyway, I don't see why you'd spend £50/£100k more on a car other than for the badge. Having said that, the Huracan is monstering the R8 in sales even though they're mechanically very similar - Lamborghini is the more exotic brand, and it only costs about £2,000 more.
I still think it needs cutting a tad. This year's grid wasn't the biggest ever, and next year it won't have the World Series to fall back on.
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Ok, 6 wide then.Each car has two headlights though.
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Wonder how the whole Renault spec series' situation will end up with the loss of the FR3.5...
Only going off IMSuckA (they deserve that name now), but there were team's who were thinking of Audi, but while Audi wanted to negotiate the technical support, Lamborghini gave an immediate response of "Sure!" basically. So it could be that.
And I agree on the price thing. If I was starting a new team I'd just buy a Reiter Camaro. $200,000 for a GT3 spec racer? Why not, it's BoP'd in isn't it. Plus that engine.
But seriously yeah some of the cost differences between the brands are, puzzling.
