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[boiltheocean]

I think it cleared the second fence too, you can see where it's folded over as the car has come to a rest in the right of the first image. They ban photographers from going anywhere near Flugplatz so I've never really been up from the outside. It's scary on the inside so I'm surprised they let spectators around the outside of it.

 

[Zelalem]

I still remember when people protested against the FIA fence...

That's so effed up. I hope Jann will properly recover.

They should ban this location for spectators, because it is to dangerous.

There is the catch fencing which the Nissan has cleared and then another smaller fence behind which the car hasn't cleared. I'd imagine the smaller fence is there to mark off spectator areas.

You are right.

 

[Furinkazen]

What..?

 

[Famine]

What..?
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Remember the Mercedes CLR at Le Mans? That's a blowover...

 

[Furinkazen]

Remember the Mercedes CLR at Le Mans? That's a blowover...

I know, i'm just trying to figure out how a GT3 GTR could do the same in that part of the track. And kinda shocked at the thought.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

What..?
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It was probably similar to this

 

[MatskiMonk]

I guess being on a chair in that area meant the spectator couldn't move out of the way fast enough when he/she saw the car coming

It's tragic if the reports of the fatality is true, and my sympathies go out to the families, and to Jann... but it's just not clever to make yourself comfortable in a dangerzone.

 

[boiltheocean]

Nissans have always lifted a lot over the years at Flugplatz. Stupid that they never fixed that flaw in the aero.

 

[TDZdave]

So Nissan doing this and it got out of hand?

 

[Famine]

I know, i'm just trying to figure out how a GT3 GTR could do the same in that part of the track. And kinda shocked at the thought.

Kazunori's GT-R was doing wheelies in practice there in 2013:

Something they apparently dialled out using GT5 before the race...

 

[mustafur]

GT-R is not new to Lift there, this was in 2012: http://s1021.photobucket.com/user/t...-84EDD85A6AEE-12143-0000058825A536C4.jpg.html

Sounds like its more a Car Problem more then anything.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

The Nissan isn't the only GT3 car known to get it's front wheels up in the air, there was a temporary chicane put in at the Slovakiaring for GT races because a car (I'm pretty sure it was a 458 GT3) did a backflip a few years ago.

 

[mustafur]

Lol everyone got the same idea.

 

[neljack]

Not linking the video, but here's a screen grab....

 

[Roger the Horse]

Assuming the reports of a fatality are correct, my condolences go to the friends and family of the victim.

Otherwise, I think that this is an incident to be learned from. Assurances must be made that spectators are kept a safe distance from circuits and that catch fencing is adequate to stop vehicles without, of course, obscuring the view too much.

Ultimately, motor racing is dangerous, and freak accidents like this will happen, but an effort must be made to ensure the safety of all involved as much as is practically possible.

 

[mustafur]

Yeah saw the video its a full Blowover, looks much worse then you think as well, Suprised Jann Survived to be honest, the GT-Rs tub held strong.

 

[Zelalem]

How is this possible? Not enough downforce?

 

[sems4arsenal]

Is this like the Merc Le mans incident? weird that the car would do that.

 

[mustafur]

Its the dip it would of unsettled the air under the car.

 

[TDZdave]

How is this possible? Not enough downforce?

To much rear wing,

 

[mustafur]

Is this like the Merc Le mans incident? weird that the car would do that.

Exactly the same.

 

[Furinkazen]

Take Inoue may get a lot of stick, he's decided to blame Jan on twitter. Classy NOT

 

[sems4arsenal]

@mustafur Jann is in no way at fault there. If Nissan GTRs did this before, Nissan need to answer for this I'm afraid.

Edit: Not being funny but I hope they did use GT6 as reference for their setup, this will backfire a lot.

 

[mustafur]

Take Inoue may get a lot of stick, he's decided to blame Jan on twitter. Classy NOT

And that concludes the part where people care what he has to say.

@mustafur Jann is in no way at fault there. If Nissan GTRs did this before, Nissan need to answer for this I'm afraid.


Edit: Not being funny but I hope they did use GT6 as reference for their setup, this will backfire a lot.

It's not janns fault its a Car/Track issue.


Its not the first car to do this infact its a carbon copy of the Winkelhock crash posted here.

It was probably similar to this

It's basically this.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Assuming the reports of a fatality are correct, my condolences go to the friends and family of the victim.

Otherwise, I think that this is an incident to be learned from. Assurances must be made that spectators are kept a safe distance from circuits and that catch fencing is adequate to stop vehicles without, of course, obscuring the view too much.

Ultimately, motor racing is dangerous, and freak accidents like this will happen, but an effort must be made to ensure the safety of all involved as much as is practically possible.

Don't want to sound unsympathetic, but that's what watching it on the TV is for. If the circuit is dangerous to the point that a badly balanced car can easily flip, then the circuit owners should decide to change something for driver safety. If this person was indeed sat in an out of bounds area, against the fence, at a dangerous part of the track, the responsibility for their injury falls nearly entirely with them. Even with its slight "widow-maker" reputation the 'ring offers immensely greater spectator security than something like the WRC.

And maybe it's just because I like taking photo's, but the fences at some tracks are already the reason why I normally don't bother wasting my money to go to them.

 

[G.T.Ace]

How is this possible? Not enough downforce?

Cars with too much downforce on the rear tend to wheelie there. All GT3 cars do this, even the SLS with its heavy engine.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

The video of the GT3 flip at Slovakiaring I mentioned earlier is 1:05 into this video:

It gives an idea of how air gets under these cars.

 

[marco89IT]

Some screens from Youtube on boards, 2014 VLN events at Flugplatz. Take a look behind that first fence, one can only hope that today wasn't so crowded.

 

[Mac K]

Sad news, makes me feel sick to my stomach...

 

[G.T.Ace]

Some screens from Youtube on boards, 2014 VLN events at Flugplatz. Take a look behind that first fence, one can only hope that today wasn't so crowded.

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These pictures are taken in the corner after the jump though, it's almost impossible for a car to get air there.
The Nissan flew straight forward.