GT Sport have over 5 million players

[emula]

Still waiting for my Mario Kart 8 though, because of course better sales means better game.

Still waiting for you admit that GTS is a great game with great sales

PS. Mario Kart is best in class in "fantasy kart racing" genre

 

[Lukanyon]

Still waiting for you admit that GTS is a great game with great sales

Because of course great sales = great game, as pointed by all reviewers
This is better than the memes thread

 

[PzR Slim]

The thread that keeps on giving. So if I'm reading this right FM7 is the best game because it's got more cars than any of the other games, PC2 is the best game because it has more tracks than any other game and the Toyota Corolla is the best car ever made, is that right?

 

[Lukanyon]

The thread that keeps on giving. So if I'm reading this right FM7 is the best game because it's got more cars than any of the other games, PC2 is the best game because it has more tracks than any other game and the Toyota Corolla is the best car ever made, is that right?

Exactly! You won a cookie!

 

[super_gt]

Still waiting for you admit that GTS is a great game with great sales

Gran Turismo Sport is a good game with good sales.

 

[ImaRobot]

They just won't accept the fact that GT sold more, it's beyond pathetic how far they are going to change the agenda to win an objective topic (commercial/sales).

I think it all goes back to the FM7 vs GT;sport thread. A couple posters here are upset about this revelation, I told them GTS was going to 'blow' FM7 away. Now I guess they are still waiting for a wind from GTS to literally blow FM7 away lol, so according to them it has not yet been proven until they 'see' the wind lolol. I didn't meant it literally but in a sense while playing poker I was sitting on a full house and was 'Blown' away when my opponent reveals a

Still waiting for you admit that GTS is a great game with great sales

PS. Mario Kart is best in class in "fantasy kart racing" genre

The funny thing is that literally no one is arguing that it didn’t sell more so I have no idea how you guys keep sticking to this useless petty fact as if it’s holding some ground in a discussion that’s solely about what PD has done. The only reason Forza was brought up was because someone with rose tinted glasses got upset that someone was talking about GT, so they themselves brought in Forza, making themselves look ridiculous in the process. “OH YEAH, SO WHAT, IT SOLD MORE THAN FORZA!” has exactly what relevance to this discussion other than children flinging their crap with what seems to be very little thought process?

You guys dislike Forza so much yet you’re he ones that constantly bring it up at every opportunity. What’s the logic in that?

 

[CopperySinger]

The thread that keeps on giving. So if I'm reading this right FM7 is the best game because it's got more cars than any of the other games, PC2 is the best game because it has more tracks than any other game and the Toyota Corolla is the best car ever made, is that right?

But But you excluded GTS? No worries because GTS is at the point now where it needs no introduction. so what was that about all of us 'Deluded fantasist'?

 

[GT6mebe]

No, that was legitimate advice to GT6mebe, who has had years of difficulty with the concept of actually reading things posted before responding to them. This time was no different, being in such a run to get a win in that he attempted to counter what I said by bringing up a figure that I had in my post and used as a point of comparison, as if I somehow wasn't aware of it.

Stop lying. You did not post the same figure:

You :
5.5 million accounts ... 3.85 million sales

Me:
3.85 million + sales in 6 months.
5.5 million players in 9 months.

If you know basic maths you can see how I include the timeframe as well as a crucial plus sign.

"statistical fact" that GT Sport must have sold 5.5 million copies have

Who said this?
People know 5.5 million is the numbers of accounts not sales.

GT Sport still won't even sniff the sales that previous GT games had

Says who? The guy who knows very little about gaming sales. Please.

I predict GTS will get to 7-8 million in sales by the end, hardly a "won't even sniff"

I honestly could not care less how much less Forza sells compared to GT

I find this hard to believe.

Funny how the last 5 pages, I've brought those numbers and estimations up as sales, and you & emula had no problem discussing them with me as such, with you going as far to assume GT Sport had made up the ground in 2 months to go from 3.38m estimates in May to 5m in July to match the 5.5 million individual players based on the same numbers. Not once did either of you bother to say they're shipments, and non-comparable until you found someone else on another website say so, pages later.

Another lie.
I've been repeating numerous times in this site that the figure is 3.85 million+ as one is shipped and the recent one was sold, and now that you have been proven wrong you somehow think you can include me with your mistake......haha no.

And before the thread gets locked out, to all my comrades here to celebrate GTS 5 million + cheers! Bottles up!!! and may everyone last words be positive

Cheers!

Nope. Not as a sim racer, but by name alone. But even then, GT is slowly losing its relevance after GT5, especially in the genre where it hopes to achieve excellence as a iRacing wannabe.

Again in your head. Your fantasies do not reflect reality.
GTS is by far the biggest sim racer of our time and its reach is helping many racers to learn how to race cleanly and how to enjoy it.

Kudosprime (if you trust those statistics) had GTS have 655 000 active players in one week.
iRacing had 135,000 signups throughout the entirety of the 2018 1st season.

Forza Horizon 3 is already at 7.44 million players.

Ignoring that its an arcade racer and Forza already has a sim racing equivalent,

FH3: 2.5 million in 6 months on XB1 and PC
GTS: 3.85+ million in 6 months on PS4

They just won't accept the fact that GT sold more, it's beyond pathetic how far they are going to change the agenda to win an objective topic (commercial/sales).

Pretty much. It boils down to this. GTS could come out years later with 7 million sold figure and they'd still try and spin it as a failure lmao

 

[ImaRobot]

But But you excluded GTS? No worries because GTS is at the point now where it needs no introduction. so what was that about all of us 'Deluded fantasist'?

You already covered GTS, so all that is is covering the other bases that is excluded.

Stop lying. You did not post the same figure:

You :
5.5 million accounts ... 3.85 million sales

Me:
3.85 million + sales in 6 months.
5.5 million players in 9 months.

If you know basic maths you can see how I include the timeframe as well as a crucial plus sign.

oh my are you serious?

They mean exactly the same thing as it’s both counting information up till this point in time! Jesus Christ how is that hard to grasp.. a plus sign is what you’re flipping out about? You’re grasping now.

Says who? The guy who knows very little about gaming sales. Please.

I don’t know how you don’t see the irony in this statement.

I find this hard to believe.

well then you’re blind Id say. It’s funny though, because it makes sense that you don’t because as soon as someone disagrees with your opinion about PD, you predetermine them as a Forza fan, even if most haven’t even played it.

I find it funny that three people posting here are the ones that have constantly gotten busted multiple times for lying through there teeth.

 

[Lukanyon]

But But you excluded GTS? No worries because GTS is at the point now where it needs no introduction.

Of course it doesn't need introductions. The franchise only sells because of its name, even though it's not doing anything better than the competition

 

[AKps3]

Of course it doesn't need introductions. The franchise only sells because of its name, even though it's not doing anything better than the competition

 

[AlanH49]

Are these Vs. discussions ongoing concurrently on the Forza and PCars forums? Or does everyone gravitate to this side of the site because it’s far more active.

Looking forward to the 6m, 7m, 8m and so on announcements as the generation progresses.

 

[ImaRobot]

Are these Vs. discussions ongoing concurrently on the Forza and PCars forums? Or does everyone gravitate to this side of the site because it’s far more active.

Looking forward to the 6m, 7m, 8m and so on announcements as the generation progresses.

Sometimes they start in the Forza and PC forums, but what usually happens is as soon as the users get caught in their lies they gravitate back to this forum, and repeat the same exact things.

Those forums are generally a lot calmer, because as you can see, it's those that aggressively support GT that seems to want to constantly bring up Forza and other games.

When selling 5 million+ there is zero chance GTS has not made a lot of money,

5.5 million+ users
I'm estimating around 5 million sales.

Who said this?
People know 5.5 million is the numbers of accounts not sales.

I just thought this was damn hilarious Sure you didn't exactly label those 500,000 players, but you damn well might as well have. Its funny to see how you constantly adjust that point.

What was that you said about Developers who'd rather give you detailed statistics about user base rather than sales?

Ironically, the very argument you're using to protect GT right now, is the same one you used to degrade Forza.

 

[ArR29]

Never said they would. I don’t think PD would be ambitious enough to tackle an open world concept.

I personally believe the open world games will soon outsell the sims, including Gran Turismo. They’ll attract a broader audience than strictly sim racing. Doesn’t mean we won’t get one that combines the best of both.

I don’t understand why everyone is harping on the open world game being arcade centred. Would an open world sim not be the next logical step for the genre? Maybe because it hasn’t been created yet, but someone will do it. Just a matter of who and when.

Arcade open world racing game has already outsold games like Gran Turismo before. From what I recall NFS Most Wanted sold 15 million copies world wide, it used to be very popular.
Actually there is already a realistic semi open world driving game on PC, I dont think it's very appealing to your average casual gamer though.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I know I said I would be out of this, but since I was quoted...

GTS is by far the biggest sim racer of our time

Ignoring the rest of your post, I'm still having a hard time finding out what you mean by this. If you mean by name, sure, but by sim, no. It's at the same class as Forza.

Oh and you adding how GTS is teaching others how to race cleanly and enjoying it. How can you when at the moment you have dirty drivers and the infamous penalty system preventing you from having a good experience in Sport Mode, know you, the main mode in GTS? Unless PD themselves solves this, there's little enjoyment to be had.

 

[CopperySinger]

I know I said I would be out of this, but since I was quoted...

Ignoring the rest of your post, I'm still having a hard time finding out what you mean by this. If you mean by name, sure, but by sim, no. It's at the same class as Forza.

Oh and you adding how GTS is teaching others how to race cleanly and enjoying it. How can you when at the moment you have dirty drivers and the infamous penalty system preventing you from having a good experience in Sport Mode, know you, the main mode in GTS? Unless PD themselves solves this, there's little enjoyment to be had.

I don't quit understand your message.
I have been maintaining an 's' rank in sportsmanship, why would I be complaining about the penalty system when I'm hardly receiving any penalties.
What I'm trying to say here is that if someone have a problem with the penalty system maybe the problem is actually the driver needs to practice more safe driving.

 

[PzR Slim]

But But you excluded GTS? No worries because GTS is at the point now where it needs no introduction. so what was that about all of us 'Deluded fantasist'?

You mean a bit like you excluded FM7, PC2 and the Toyota Corolla? And I'd be happy if you could point out where I used the term 'Deluded fantasist'.

I was merely applying the same logic to number of cars, tracks and overall car sales that you applied to copies of GTS sold.

It would be great if you could acknowledge that copies sold say absolutely zero about the quality of said product in exactly the same way number of cars, number of tracks or number of Toyota Corollas say absolutely zero about their respective qualities.

Next you'll be arguing White Christmas is the greatest song ever written.

 

[CopperySinger]

It would be great if you could acknowledge that copies sold say absolutely zero about the quality of said product in exactly the same way number of cars, number of tracks or number of Toyota Corollas say absolutely zero about their respective qualities.

why do I need to acknowledge copies sold in comparison to quality?
This is something you bringing up to derail the topic and build another narrative in attempts to deflate the celebration; but we can certainly talk about quality if you wish. What sim do you think has better qu

 

[emula]

Because of course great sales = great game, as pointed by all reviewers
This is better than the memes thread

GTS would be a great game even with only a single copy sold, unfortunately for you it sells millions and millions copies too

 

[PzR Slim]

why do I need to acknowledge copies sold in comparison to quality?
This is something you made up to derail the topic and build another narrative in attempts to deflate the celebration.

Cool, so you think the Toyota Corolla is the best car ever made and White Christmas is the best song ever written.

It's comedic at this point.

 

[CopperySinger]

dp

 

[ImaRobot]

GTS would be a great game even with only a single copy sold, unfortunately for you it sells millions and millions copies too

How is that unfortunate for anyone? I really dont understand the logic, or lack thereof, that you're trying to apply to this. Games selling more, as well as having competition, is what pushes these games to produce more. So to pretend that this is unfortunate is pretty dumb, to be honest.

However, to touch up on that point. How can you acknowledge that even if GTS sold one copy it would still be good, but you're trying to make it an issue that Forza isn't good because it only sold a couple million copies?

 

[Lukanyon]

GTS would be a great game even with only a single copy sold, unfortunately for you it sells millions and millions copies too

So a racing game that doesn't have a proper career mode but only glorified tutorials; where the car list is made 40% of concept cars and racing variations that don't exist in real life; where the track list is laughable; with lots of features taken out from their last iterations; sold as an e-sports game although less than 300,000 players have invested time in that part; is this considered a big game because it sold a lot? Even knowing that it sold a lot just because of a logo on its cover?

 

[O604]

How can anyone who has played the GT series hate on the Corolla/Levin/Sprinter/Trueno/GT-S /AE86?

 

[CopperySinger]

So a racing game that doesn't have a proper career mode but only glorified tutorials; where the car list is made 40% of concept cars and racing variations that don't exist in real life; where the track list is laughable; with lots of features taken out from their last iterations; sold as an e-sports game although less than 300,000 players have invested time in that part; is this considered a big game because it sold a lot? Even knowing that it sold a lot just because of a logo on its cover?

This narrative you are deploying is just simply not true. if it was the case then the reason why 'FM7 didn't make it as popular because it sucks' These comments are just a personal reflections.

Cool, so you think the Toyota Corolla is the best car ever made and White Christmas is the best song ever written.

It's comedic at this point.

oh okay, not sure about the Toyota, but White Christmas song yes, right up there with GTS. just joking

 

[C_Raccoon23]

How is that unfortunate for anyone? I really dont understand the logic, or lack thereof, that you're trying to apply to this. Games selling more, as well as having competition, is what pushes these games to produce more. So to pretend that this is unfortunate is pretty dumb, to be honest.

However, to touch up on that point. How can you acknowledge that even if GTS sold one copy it would still be good, but you're trying to make it an issue that Forza isn't good because it only sold a couple million copies?

He thinks it’s unfortunate for the GT “haters” and it will cause them to lose sleep or something.

 

[PzR Slim]

How can anyone who has played the GT series hate on the Corolla/Levin/Sprinter/Trueno/GT-S /AE86?

I'm not hating on it. It's a good car but having sold more than any other car in history does not automatically make it the best or highest quality vehicle ever produced. Which is the logic some are applying to sales figures in this thread. Same with White Christmas, it's a good song, maybe even a great song but it's sales figures don't make it the best or highest quality song ever written.

It's really a pretty simple concept to understand. One can only guess why some are not prepared to see that. Then again, as the old saying goes, none so blind as those who are not prepared to see.

 

[Lukanyon]

This narrative you are deploying is just simply not true.

It is true. People were desperate for a new Gran Turismo, especially after the release of 4 Forza games. PD knew they could get away with releasing another glorified demo, as they had already done it before with GT5 Prologue. They changed the narrative to their favor, selling the game as "a new direction to the series" only to attenuate their incapacity to release content in time. Why did people buy the idea? Because it's Gran Turismo and GT "fans" need something to brag about.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I don't quit understand your message.
I have been maintaining an 's' rank in sportsmanship, why would I be complaining about the penalty system when I'm hardly receiving any penalties.
What I'm trying to say here is that if someone have a problem with the penalty system maybe the problem is actually the driver needs to practice more safe driving.

There is a thread dedicated about it which is why I brought it up, since @GT6mebe saids GTS teaches its players to race clean and enjoying it (which I'm not against in any way). Ignoring the dirty drivers which exists in every racing game, I'm just simply saying the penalty system itself needs a fix for Sport Mode to be enjoyable.

You may not receive penalties, but plenty of people (who do race clean) do.

 

[dylpro]

Arcade open world racing game has already outsold games like Gran Turismo before. From what I recall NFS Most Wanted sold 15 million copies world wide, it used to be very popular.
Actually there is already a realistic semi open world driving game on PC, I dont think it's very appealing to your average casual gamer though.

That was back when NFS was at the height of its glory. And I’m sure looking across all games/platforms there have been open world racers that have sold very well.

I tend to agree with what McLaren said about the move towards open world in racing games is due to the general popularity of the open world genre. And eventually someone is going to take an ambitious approach to that concept with a sim racer.

But this thread isn’t something I want to be apart of anymore.