GT Sport have over 5 million players
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It's funny that @DR_MOJO91 liked @daan's last comment, because he was the one who brought Forza and pCARS to the argument in the first place! 
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So this thread is basically?
Who thinks GTS is not succesful:
- GT Sport sold 400 units.
- GT Sport outsold GTA5.
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If the Forza fans are gonna making every excuse for its franchise under-performing and wanna dish out criticism to GT then it goes both ways.It's funny that @DR_MOJO91 liked @daan's last comment, because he was the one who brought Forza and pCARS to the argument in the first place!
Anyways... GT is the real king and well Forza is just a joker NSFW*** #dropthemic #ILOVETHEIGNOREBUTTON
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I want an Xbox One X for Christmas so I can be a proper Forza fan. 
While that I'm gonna win some more Sport races and make fun of GT fans who think Kaz is God.
You're right, @TokoTurismo: this thread shouldn't be locked
While that I'm gonna win some more Sport races and make fun of GT fans who think Kaz is God.You're right, @TokoTurismo: this thread shouldn't be locked
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No, that was legitimate advice to GT6mebe, who has had years of difficulty with the concept of actually reading things posted before responding to them. This time was no different, being in such a run to get a win in that he attempted to counter what I said by bringing up a figure that I had in my post and used as a point of comparison, as if I somehow wasn't aware of it.
Not a single time in this entire thread have I ever mentioned Forza sales. I don't think in my 14 years here as a member have I ever expressed the importance of Forza sales over GT; nevermind any belief that they would be better which I know I've never said. Most of the people questioning the "statistical fact" that GT Sport must have sold 5.5 million copies have, as far as I can tell, made no mention of Forza at all; that is until members like Emula bring up the series out of the blue as if Forza games selling worse somehow proves GT Sport must have sold 5.5 million copies. It doesn't. Forza Horizon 4 can sell 100,000 copies total and make Microsoft shut down both development studios, and GT Sport still won't even sniff the sales that previous GT games had. Forza's sales are irrelevant to the discussion, and have been from the very first time someone brought them up in this thread.
I'm not sure how more clear it can be made that questioning the sales figures people are pretending must be true because of a tweet that does not directly talk about sales figures in the first place does not mean that you derive emotional well being to the sales of a competing franchise. I honestly could not care less how much less Forza sells compared to GT, even if the same cannot be said of people who simply need it to be true that GT sells better. If they stopped making Forza games outright, I wouldn't be bothered. I know the same isn't true of people in regards to GT; but I still have the one Forza game I have just like I still have the 4 Gran Turismo games I have.
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Feel free to back this up, at any time. We've waited the better half of a year already for you to bring some actual truth to..well.. anything you say, so I'm sure we can wait a little longer.
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Funny how the last 5 pages, I've brought those numbers and estimations up as sales, and you & emula had no problem discussing them with me as such, with you going as far to assume GT Sport had made up the ground in 2 months to go from 3.38m estimates in May to 5m in July to match the 5.5 million individual players based on the same numbers. Not once did either of you bother to say they're shipments, and non-comparable until you found someone else on another website say so, pages later.
This post isn't a discussion by the way because the thread feels to be on the cusp of a lock, so feel to free to quote and make whatever your final argument is. I'm sure you have a solid argument lined up to entertain how you presented previous posts as anything but observed.
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And before the thread gets locked out, to all my comrades here to celebrate GTS 5 million + cheers! Bottles up!!! and may everyone last words be positive
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Where's your numbers for Forza, we are literally waiting. Forza fans must be allergic to statistic cause based on their emotional statements, emotions constitutes as sales figures. The reason you don't want to post up a side by side comparison of sales figures let alone anything related to the economics behind both games is because you know you lost the argument, stop swaying from side to side and actual present your case with a side by side comparison. Heck I might have to start a new trend fact check McLaren.
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Why? Forza was literally not brought up by anyone as a point, besides you. You're basically solely responsible for it heading this direction in the first place.
You brought up Forza's sales, so if anyone, you should be the one with the burden of facts.
Or it probably has a lot to do with the fact that the points being raised have little to actually to do with Forza.
Fact check away, no one is stopping you. It wont be changing anything about what is being discussed. The more facts the better, because there is tons missing from this thread. Like mentioned, it always seems to be the people that are pro-gt and only pro-gt that tend to bring Forza into these arguments, and then in turn blame said people on why it turns into this. It's stupid really.
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Yes, but that doesn't make it any more relevant than past entries, especially past GTs which all had 10 million sales before GT6 (which gotten 5 million sales months later).
Don't worry. You post this now to be funny. But like I said. When other games DO gain the sales GT has, we'll see how much you'll sing "sales" afterwards. Deny all you want, it's what those like you do anyways...
Nope. Not as a sim racer, but by name alone. But even then, GT is slowly losing its relevance after GT5, especially in the genre where it hopes to achieve excellence as a iRacing wannabe.
The fact that you and other pro-gt fans in here are still dragging on this arguement shows how desperate you guys are to get the last word. Honestly it's amusing.
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Whether it's an iRacing wannabe or not, it is achieving sales. Is it specifically losing relevance, or is it the more serious sim-type games that have the waning interest? Open World game's where doing fairly well recently, unexpectedly well, to be honest.
I think interest is shifting on consoles, back towards Arcade, or more lax, types of racing.
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It's the more serious sim-type approach imo. Although past GTs were, in some ways, serious, they aren't as hardcore as GTS which favors esports. Although this is more based on the sales side of things, not the franchise as a whole.
But yeah, maybe I should've been more specific in my last posts.
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I'm not speaking of those particular sales but okay. Like I said, keep dragging on this argument. I'm out.
Edit: Also, I'm speaking of general sales, not lifetime sales as you brought up...
Edit: Also, I'm speaking of general sales, not lifetime sales as you brought up...
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Not to ignore PD’s accomplishments, or any other games for that matter, but I think generational sales would be a better gauge of games within the racing genre. My reason being is that times have changed drastically for the genre as of late, and I think is a better way to gauge modern day interest rather than bunching them in with the past accomplishments, especially considering the general lack of interest now compared to the past in the market.Another racing game that can pass 80+ millions copies sold? Good luck with that!
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As pointed out by people before - the climate is different for racing games now.
A combination of
1. Interest in cars peaking (partly through the international popularity of Top Gear making people familiar with brands and models and massive newsworthy cars like the Veyron especially. They inspired people to want to live out a fantasy in game)
2. Autonomous cars were not a thing, and electric wasn't ready yet. Gas power was still the future. That era of transport is currently being superceded.
3. Video games went from Outrun->Ridge Racer/Daytona->Gran Turismo in under 10 years and kept giving people with mild interest an exciting new experience. Just look at the NFS series to see how bad it's got with racing games trying desperatly to appeal to those markets now. And for the last few GT games at least the screenshots often look similar at a glance, even people here have been caught out.
As for it being a success or failure, depends on the criteria.
Commercially - It could have sold better, but PD and Sony are boasting of sales figures. Companies ashamed of poor sales don't draw attention to it. How many X-Box Ones have been sold? *tumbleweed*.
Old Fans - Mostly didn't play Sport mode if Kudosprime stats are to be believed, but the people here and those who spent time to get into it love it, and the racing has the best AI ever in Sport mode - real people. Every race is totally different and a welcome challenge after souping up cars to get round rolling roadblocks.
So, on the whole it is mixed but personally I am happy. I liked the encyclopedic style of previous entries, but so many of them drove the same. In this game each car has been lovingly recreated so that even the cars I don't care much for in real life have me gawping at how good they look, and the character of the handling characteristics comes across if you have experience of the road going versions.
A combination of
1. Interest in cars peaking (partly through the international popularity of Top Gear making people familiar with brands and models and massive newsworthy cars like the Veyron especially. They inspired people to want to live out a fantasy in game)
2. Autonomous cars were not a thing, and electric wasn't ready yet. Gas power was still the future. That era of transport is currently being superceded.
3. Video games went from Outrun->Ridge Racer/Daytona->Gran Turismo in under 10 years and kept giving people with mild interest an exciting new experience. Just look at the NFS series to see how bad it's got with racing games trying desperatly to appeal to those markets now. And for the last few GT games at least the screenshots often look similar at a glance, even people here have been caught out.
As for it being a success or failure, depends on the criteria.
Commercially - It could have sold better, but PD and Sony are boasting of sales figures. Companies ashamed of poor sales don't draw attention to it. How many X-Box Ones have been sold? *tumbleweed*.
Old Fans - Mostly didn't play Sport mode if Kudosprime stats are to be believed, but the people here and those who spent time to get into it love it, and the racing has the best AI ever in Sport mode - real people. Every race is totally different and a welcome challenge after souping up cars to get round rolling roadblocks.
So, on the whole it is mixed but personally I am happy. I liked the encyclopedic style of previous entries, but so many of them drove the same. In this game each car has been lovingly recreated so that even the cars I don't care much for in real life have me gawping at how good they look, and the character of the handling characteristics comes across if you have experience of the road going versions.
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I think I prefer being called a Forza fan even though I've never played any Forza game. At least I can enjoy other games with all of their qualities and I don't need to brag about sales to defend a piece of software.
The sales success of GT is just the cherry on top. We love GT for dozens of other reasons
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Funny how literally everyone on all sides just accepts the paradigm that GT Sport is #1 sold, it's not! Forza Horizon 3 is already at 7.44 million players.
I agree the sales number is way overvalued in this discussion, it's a petty contest. Regardless, if sales are all you rely on, your point is simply void. There is no denial Forza has caught up to GT dimensions. "But, but Forza 7 is the only Forza that counts!!!" Nobody hesitates to compare GT to more serious racers so you have to look at more casual ones too. I agree that FM7 is a bad entry btw, great thing it's by far not the only Forza on XB1.
Personally I'm happy GTS is only doing so-so compared to older GTs. I don't like the direction change and it's great to know Kaz confirmed the next one won't be GT Sport 2. Still waiting for GT Open World.
Since nobody read my last post, quotes this time...
Forza Horizon 3 displays exact player count to everyone too. In the game's pause menu on Rivals tab, 'Stunt points leaderboard' registers every player who completed at least the intro while connected (Xbox and Win10).
Not like revenue per game matters much to these games (especially GT evidently), but you really think annual Forza titles with elaborate paid DLC plans make less than GT?
I agree the sales number is way overvalued in this discussion, it's a petty contest. Regardless, if sales are all you rely on, your point is simply void. There is no denial Forza has caught up to GT dimensions. "But, but Forza 7 is the only Forza that counts!!!" Nobody hesitates to compare GT to more serious racers so you have to look at more casual ones too. I agree that FM7 is a bad entry btw, great thing it's by far not the only Forza on XB1.
Personally I'm happy GTS is only doing so-so compared to older GTs. I don't like the direction change and it's great to know Kaz confirmed the next one won't be GT Sport 2. Still waiting for GT Open World.
Since nobody read my last post, quotes this time...
Forza Horizon 3 displays exact player count to everyone too. In the game's pause menu on Rivals tab, 'Stunt points leaderboard' registers every player who completed at least the intro while connected (Xbox and Win10).
Not like revenue per game matters much to these games (especially GT evidently), but you really think annual Forza titles with elaborate paid DLC plans make less than GT?
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2.5 Million copies sold after 6 months on PC + console....
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/forza-horizon-3-sells-25-million-units-entire-seri/1100-6447805/
GTS in the same period has sold more on a single platform
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I think it all goes back to the FM7 vs GT;sport thread. A couple posters here are upset about this revelation, I told them GTS was going to 'blow' FM7 away. Now I guess they are still waiting for a wind from GTS to literally blow FM7 away lol, so according to them it has not yet been proven until they 'see' the wind lolol. I didn't meant it literally but in a sense while playing poker I was sitting on a full house and was 'Blown' away when my opponent reveals a
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