GT Sport have over 5 million players

[McLaren]

Your assumptions are wrong

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gr...-80-4m-as-of-may-8th-2018.41808/#post-7790842

That man was disproven in the thread.

Polyphony Digital has updated its website to include new sales figures for Gran Turismo, the Japanese developer's marquee racing franchise. Among other things, we learn that the latest entry in the series, 2013's Gran Turismo 6, has now sold more than 5 million copies (5,010,000 to be exact). Another standout figure is 76.8 million, which is the total number of Gran Turismo games sold to date.

These figures are accurate as of June 30.

Sept 2017.

Hmm. So, Gamespot confirms 76.8 million units sold in August 2016. 13 months later, Polyphony reports 77.02 million units; Sept. 2017. But if PD's report is shipped units, not sold units, that means at best, there's 220,000 unsold copies out there of GT1-6?

I mean, even if that's the case, 80.4 million units sold in May 2018, minus Gamespot's reported 76.8 million units sold in August 2016 means from Oct-May, GT Sport still only sold....gasp.... 3.6 million? And that's under the assumption absolutely no GT game sold from that August 2016 figure?


This is a weak attempt to inflate GT Sport numbers that backfired hard. The keyword is right there; Sales Units. If I can't take this chart as sold units from PD themselves, then I have no reason to assume 80.4 million copies that includes GT Sport are actual sold units either.

 

[CopperySinger]

That man was disproven in the thread.

care to provide the link to the post were he was disproven?

 

[McLaren]

care to provide the link to the post were he was disproven?

It's literally 8 posts down. You guys don't even read your own evidence....
https://www.resetera.com/posts/7791084/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/gran-turismo-6-passes-5-million-sales-series-climb/1100-6442540/

Further proof they're sold.

August 2016:
GT PSP sales reported at 4,650,000.

Sept. 2017:
GT PSP sales reported at 4,670,000.

You're telling me Polyphony shipped an additional 20,000 copies of a near decade old game on a 4 year old discontinued platform?

 

[CopperySinger]

It's literally 8 posts down. You guys don't even read your own evidence....
https://www.resetera.com/posts/7791084/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/gran-turismo-6-passes-5-million-sales-series-climb/1100-6442540/

Further proof they're sold.

August 2016:
GT PSP sales reported at 4,650,000.

Sept. 2017:
GT PSP sales reported at 4,670,000.

You're telling me Polyphony shipped an additional 20,000 copies of a near decade old game on a 4 year old discontinued platform?

You prefer to play with numbers instead of recognizing the facts. As the header says over 5 million players; what part of that do you have issues with?

What others enjoy is fine. I specifically mentioned people like you because you openly defend this game from any criticism from reviews, to rubber banding AI, to physics, to graphics, to what the developers said before release. You come across as the type of person to enjoy whatever PD puts in this game, even with valid complaints from others about how certain features were implemented.

You should apply this philosophy you your own remarks...


Here you go defending Forza about Hackers which is a valid complaint

I think a point you're missing Coppery, is that the cheating in this game doesn't affect you in multiplayer. It boosts credits and that's it. So far, you can't cheat your way to the top of a leaderboard so just because you afforded a million dollar car quicker doesn't guarantee you can beat the fastest people in the game with it. That's all those Trainers have been doing, gaining money at a key stroke's notice, and that's what's getting banned.

I'm not sure why it's being used as some sort of negative against GT:S if T10 have proven that they intend to ban/fix the glitching asap. I also don't know how "being online only" is going to automatically cure GT:S of similar exploits. We have a thread here that's intent is to help people "exploit" an achievement in the game at starting from the back and winning.

You seem to be trying hard at misconstruing the argument.

We're aware of the cheating; it's not affecting the leaderboards as you claimed. We're not kicking it under the rug either because it doesn't exist in the way you implied. If it is, post some proof. Otherwise, go play the game you have your avatar set for since you seem confident it won't have any of these issues.

If a person is caught hacking their names and presence need to be wiped from leaderboards and any other parts of the game. It brings about a dis-taste of the game for other players. GT sport has shown zero tolerance for hackers and it still managed to exceed 5 Million players.

 

[Sander 001]

Could someone please fix the title? Every time I read 'GT Sport have over 5 million players', I just get so irritated for some reason.

Anyway, actually on the topic, I don't know why there's so much bickering over two completely different games on different consoles and how their sales numbers compare. There's really nothing to gain except trying to justify your own £300 console purchases to people who, let's face it, aren't going to be pursuaded anyway.

I think 5 million is a good number, sure it's not as high as previous GT titles, but it's still good in its own right for what really essentially is a spin off game from the franchise. I know Kaz says it's a main GT title, but it's not really. Although it is taking away from what could have been a much more complete GT7, but that's another issue which has been endlessly discussed in other places.

Yup, so many players are stuck in the past by comparing arbitrary numbers without any idea of context.

MS, Sony, EA et. al have moved away from these hollow numbers because the real numbers are revenue and profit. Even the top selling games like Call of Duty, its sales numbers aren’t reported anymore because they’re often misleading and omit the revenue generation it creates.

 

[McLaren]

You prefer to play with numbers instead of recognizing the facts. As the header says over 5 million players; what part of that do you have issues with?

You asked for proof, you got it.

The irony of your statement is your side attempting to play with numbers as something they're not. Of course, when your dumb argument goes no further, you switch onto something else.

You should apply this philosophy you your own remarks...

Here you go defending Forza about Hackers which is a valid complaint


If a person is caught hacking their names and presence need to be wiped from leaderboards and any other parts of the game. It brings about a dis-taste of the game for other players. GT sport has shown zero tolerance for hackers and it still managed to exceed 5 Million players.

Money exploits in Forza did not affect multiplayer. To be at the top of the leaderboard, you had to be that fast; no amount of exploited single player money would help you. There was no defending the exploit, only correcting you lying about how it affects everyone else.

Re-quoted for emphasis.

You are a very sad person.

 

[DR_MOJO91]

That man was disproven in the thread.

Sept 2017.

Hmm. So, Gamespot confirms 76.8 million units sold in August 2016. 13 months later, Polyphony reports 77.02 million units; Sept. 2017. But if PD's report is shipped units, not sold units, that means at best, there's 220,000 unsold copies out there of GT1-6?

I mean, even if that's the case, 80.4 million units sold in May 2018, minus Gamespot's reported 76.8 million units sold in August 2016 means from Oct-May, GT Sport still only sold....gasp.... 3.6 million? And that's under the assumption absolutely no GT game sold from that August 2016 figure?


This is a weak attempt to inflate GT Sport numbers that backfired hard. The keyword is right there; Sales Units. If I can't take this chart as sold units from PD themselves, then I have no reason to assume 80.4 million copies that includes GT Sport are actual sold units either.

Forza numbers must be abymnasl in comparison to GT to not post it side by side. And as for revenue I highly doubt Forza is even close to GT, it's a commercial dud, it's the racing game equivalent of the WNBA being kept alive by MS in the hopes it can become something bigger

 

[McLaren]

Forza numbers must be abymnasl in comparison to GT to not post it side by side. And as for revenue I highly doubt Forza is even close to GT, it's a commercial dud, it's the racing game equivalent of the WNBA being kept alive by MS in the hopes it can become something bigger

It must be sad knowing that even when Forza isn't being talked about, the GT fans still let it sit rent free.

 

[CopperySinger]

The irony of your statement is your side attempting to play with numbers as something they're not. Of course, when your dumb argument goes no further, you switch onto something else.

Money exploits in Forza did not affect multiplayer. To be at the top of the leaderboard, you had to be that fast; no amount of exploited single player money would help you. There was no defending the exploit, only correcting you lying about how it affects everyone else.

Re-quoted for emphasis.

ugly choice of words such as "dumb" "lying" which sums up everything you have written in this thread.
you are constantly accusing others of the very sad thing you are doing.
stop moving the goal post it is not a lie it has been proven in that thread the in-game economy has been negatively impacted by the Forza hackers.
now did you even read that McLaren?

please stop with this hypocritical nonsense, we get it you hate GTS now why don't you go have fun with FM7.

It must be sad knowing that even when Forza isn't being talked about, the GT fans still let it sit rent free.

oh I get it, since you have nothing special going on with Borza Motorsports you have nothing else exciting to do but chastise GTS for celebrating its achievements. now what exactly is a "sad person"?!?

edited for your response #253 below:
you refuse to respectfully stop falsely accuse me of lying.

The in-game economy has not been impacted by hackers. This is nothing more than another lie you conjured up after you got proven wrong the first time.

relevance? theres not much you can delete here:

https://forums.forzamotorsport.net/...rza-Motorsport-7-Banning-and-Enforcement.aspx

where was this proven wrong?!?

 

[Northstar]

please stop with this hypocritical nonsense, we get it you hate GTS now why don't you go have fun with FM7.

Something something glass houses.

Background:
I have been a longtime racing fan. I purchased my 8 yr old son a used ps2 were we played GT3 spec. I had known gt from the early days and just knew it was a good racing game for him to learn sim racing. later that year I got an xbox with Forza Motorsport 1 and was blown away by the graphics and beauty of that game. these games were not intended for 8 yr olds because they had advanced tuning features and upgrades that a child would not fully understand. Back then before becoming a member I used to lurk this GTplanet web site searching and educating myself about race car tuning; sometimes following Praiano's tuning so that I can use that knowledge to tune in GT and Forza.


FM7 is done, it signifies the end of Forza Motorsport series. This game was made to satisfy only Dan's 8 year old son and it shows. I remember the days when it was exclusive to xbox and were you would felt separated from pc hackers\cheaters and rewarded for winning races with your own tuning setups. Even paid reviews couldn't stop this train wreck.
GTS was regarded as a flop with limited content before the game even came out but still managed to triumph over the competition easily in sales and popularity. The more updates and free content PD brings the more haters begin to burst and melt.
PCARS 2 was the most hated game for the amount of bugs and relations with the community, BUT, looking past the bugs and distaste for the harsh relations, the game is actually a decent racing sim that is really not part of this semi sim competition.


I think semi sims were games were you would have fun learning and GTsport remembers some of that and I'm thankful
Also IMO Forza motorsport is supposed to be about teaching your child the art of racing while not catering the entire game to a child's interest thats what Forza horizon is for, again all in my opinion. And after you have been inspired and learned many things from those semi sims you may feel confident to take games like PCARS2 for a ride.

 

[Lukanyon]

I think this thread should be blocked, this GT vs. Forza thing has become old and very annoying and repetitive.

 

[AlanH49]

Not even sure what people are arguing over any longer.

GT Sport now has over 5.5m players. They’re adding 250K players per month (500K in June), so should be around 7m-7.5m players by the end of the year. Consider also PS4 still has another 2 years as a major seller. With a further 2 years on top of that as sales slow after PS5’s launch. That’s something GT6 never had when it launched on PS3........after PS4 was out.

I really wouldn’t be at all surprised if GT Sport had 10m players lifetime on PS4 with 7m+ sales. As importantly GT Sport’s development should put PD into a position to launch Gran Turismo on PS5 early in the systems lifetime.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I think this thread should be blocked, this GT vs. Forza thing has become old and very annoying and repetitive.

Honestly, arguing with some here will only get your blood boiling. I mean, sales = better game? It's like some ran out of ways to white knight GT, so they use "sales" as a means of keeping GT's relevance, or any other it have up its sleeves.

The thing is, GT already lost it's relevance since GT5. So if some here want to keep using "sales" to defend it, I say let them. When Forza (or any game for that matter) gains the amount the sales GT has, we'll see what else they'll have to defend. I'm gonna tell you right now, it won't be much.

Also, don't lock the thread. It's something for everyone to be amused by when had a bad day.

 

[McLaren]

stop moving the goal post it is not a lie it has been proven in that thread the in-game economy has been negatively impacted by the Forza hackers

The in-game economy has not been impacted by hackers. This is nothing more than another lie you conjured up after you got proven wrong the first time.

As for everything else you posted, if you looked up the definition of hypocrisy:

We should all pull together now and unite in this small racing sim community, appreciate forza GT PC AC and others for what/who they serve. the only way all of these games will improve is with our support.

The Real Forza Killer Simulator

You can consider this our last interaction. I have no desire to end up banned alongside when you inevitably attract a moderator to step in.

 

[CopperySinger]

The in-game economy has not been impacted by hackers. This is nothing more than another lie you conjured up after you got proven wrong the first time.

As for everything else you posted, if you looked up the definition of hypocrisy:



You can consider this our last interaction. I have no desire to end up banned alongside when you inevitably attract a moderator to step in.

you are now trolling, because you know it is not a lie. Again, stop falsely accusing me of lying.

GTS community participation numbers has been thriving and you hate to admit it.

 

[emula]

That man was disproven in the thread.

"That man" is ZhugeEX, an analyst that works in the sector and that provides the most authoritative and up-to-date information about sales numbers.... very often the sales articles on gamespot and the others websites are based on the numbers that "That man" ZhugeEX provides.

If ZhugeEX says that those numbers are not comparable... simply they are not comparable

you are now trolling, because you know it is not a lie. Again, stop falsely accusing me of lying.

GTS community participation numbers has been thriving and you hate to admit it.

He can't accept the fact that GTS sells more than his favorite game, from the first page of this threat he has unleashed a war against GTS and against every single user who want brings back the discussion to reality.... a very sad story

 

[AlanH49]

Honestly, arguing with some here will only get your blood boiling. I mean, sales = better game? It's like some ran out of ways to white knight GT, so they use "sales" as a means of keeping GT's relevance, or any other it have up its sleeves.

The thing is, GT already lost it's relevance since GT5. So if some here want to keep using "sales" to defend it, I say let them. When Forza (or any game for that matter) gains the amount the sales GT has, we'll see what else they'll have to defend. I'm gonna tell you right now, it won't be much.

Also, don't lock the thread. It's something for everyone to be amused by when had a bad day.

I think everyone would accept GT Sport had a shaky launch and PD/Sony failed to communicate their vision adequately.

The subsequent support has been outstanding and PD have even upped their PR game and started to engage with the community. GT Sport is now one of my top 3 sims if all time and my personal favourite Gran Turismo. The core product is fantastic and I look forward to what PD deliver the rest of this gen and on PS5.

I say all that as someone who moved from GT5 to Forza 4 after being disappointed with the former. I never tried GT6 as I’d moved onto PS4 and have tried all options from Driveclub to Assetto Corsa and Project Cars. I’m very pleased with the direction PD are now taking. Gran Turismo and the Forza Horizon series seem the ideal pairing for anyone interested in the genre. That way both the sim and arcade side are covered with, IMO, the two best series in their respective genres.

 

[McLaren]

"That man" is ZhugeEX, an analyst that works in the sector and that provides the most authoritative and up-to-date information about sales numbers.... very often the sales articles on gamespot and the others websites are based on the numbers that "That man" ZhugeEX provides.

If ZhugeEX says that those numbers are not comparable... simply they are not comparable

His statement holds no logic; PD shipped 20,000 extra copies of a 2009 game from August 2016-September 2017 on a dead platform?

Basically, I don't care what he claims, and I certainly don't believe he's an analyst if you're the one saying so. I know the only reason you're suddenly riding this guy's post as proof is because you want to use it to boost sales by claiming PD isn't reporting digital copies on the report. You don't fool anyone with your blatant nut swinging.


As another member said, you're a compulsive liar so there's really not a single post you could make that shouldn't be questioned. Right now, you're in the same boat as Coppery and not worth a ban talking to.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Publisher do re-print/ship older titles years after original release date. That's why I could buy a new copy of Gundam Target in Sight for PS3, this game was originally released in 2006. I bought a new reprint copy ( Japan Best version ) in early 2018, 12 years after release. I had to wait a few months for a restock from Bandai/Namco at Play Asia ( at least that's what they told me ).

 

[VeeDoubleU]

At the end of this year GTS needs a complete edition that have to include all the content released during the year.... just like for the GT5 academy edition

it would give a further boost to the sales of the game

GT Academy Edition also included the paid DLC, such as Spa, extra Kart tracks, the Racing Car Pack, Special Stage Route X, Motegi and some other car packs.

GT Sport has no paid DLC, and hence a GTS Complete Edition makes no sense, there is nothing to add. The original GTS comes with all the content released too

(plus, a GTS 'Complete Edition' wouldn't have anymore content only on the disk, it simply cannot fit all 80+GB onto one disc.)

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

(plus, a GTS 'Complete Edition' wouldn't have anymore content only on the disk, it simply cannot fit all 80+GB onto one disc.)

Maybe a 2 discs "The Complete Edition" with everything included, 1 install disc and the other for playing ?

 

[TokoTurismo]

I think everyone would accept GT Sport had a shaky launch and PD/Sony failed to communicate their vision adequately.

The subsequent support has been outstanding and PD have even upped their PR game and started to engage with the community. GT Sport is now one of my top 3 sims if all time and my personal favourite Gran Turismo. The core product is fantastic and I look forward to what PD deliver the rest of this gen and on PS5.

I say all that as someone who moved from GT5 to Forza 4 after being disappointed with the former. I never tried GT6 as I’d moved onto PS4 and have tried all options from Driveclub to Assetto Corsa and Project Cars. I’m very pleased with the direction PD are now taking. Gran Turismo and the Forza Horizon series seem the ideal pairing for anyone interested in the genre. That way both the sim and arcade side are covered with, IMO, the two best series in their respective genres.

Although I disagree on the new direction of GT, there's no doubt on my mind that GTS is a bad game. I played it myself, and it's actually really good.

And yes, PD have surprisingly changed a lot over the days of GT6. I hope when GT7 does eventually show, PD will continue this trend. It's been fantasic lately.

 

[Tornado]

The title of this thread should be changed to "But but but FORZA!?"

He can't accept the fact that GTS sells more than his favorite game

I have to ask again. Why do you automatically assume, and therefore bring up as if it refutes other points, that other people derive as much of their self-worth from whether a videogame is selling well as you do in regards to Gran Turismo? Even if they did, that wouldn't make what they are saying automatically wrong like you're acting (unless you want that same standard applied to your posts?)





While you ignore that question again, one thing I find absolutely hilarious is you liking the post by AlanH49 above. Not that I have any problem with his point since it's even handed and seems like a fair argument, but this this bit here that you took no issue with:

I really wouldn’t be at all surprised if GT Sport had 10m players lifetime on PS4 with 7m+ sales. As importantly GT Sport’s development should put PD into a position to launch Gran Turismo on PS5 early in the systems lifetime.

10 million claimed accounts against 7 million sales. 10:7 ratio of accounts (meaning including people who bought it used or made duplicate accounts or whatever) vs people who actually bought it new and thus actually contributed to a sales statistic.









5.5 million claimed accounts against...


Wait for it...



It's worth the wait, because I couldn't write a joke with a punchline this good...










3.85 million sales.

 

[DR_MOJO91]

It must be sad knowing that even when Forza isn't being talked about, the GT fans still let it sit rent free.

Forza at this moment, is the video game equivalent of a Steven Seagal movie going straight to dvd in the Walmart movie section.

 

[emula]

His statement holds no logic; PD shipped 20,000 extra copies of a 2009 game from August 2016-September 2017 on a dead platform?

Basically, I don't care what he claims, and I certainly don't believe he's an analyst if you're the one saying so. I know the only reason you're suddenly riding this guy's post as proof is because you want to use it to boost sales by claiming PD isn't reporting digital copies on the report. You don't fool anyone with your blatant nut swinging.

As another member said, you're a compulsive liar so there's really not a single post you could make that shouldn't be questioned. Right now, you're in the same boat as Coppery and not worth a ban talking to.

So, to recap:

- Polyphony are compulsive liars;
- ZhugeEX is a compulsive liar; https://twitter.com/zhugeex
- Coppery is a compulsive liar;
- I'm a compulsive liar;
- Anyone who says that GTS isn't a flop is a compulsive liar;

the only credible are you and your friends that hate gran turismo

 

[TokoTurismo]

Nvm. Not worth it.

 

[Lukanyon]

I wish I had the willpower to defend a piece of software like these GT fans have, so I could make a better use of it

 

[GT6mebe]

It's literally 8 posts down. You guys don't even read your own evidence....
https://www.resetera.com/posts/7791084/

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/gran-turismo-6-passes-5-million-sales-series-climb/1100-6442540/

Further proof they're sold.

August 2016:
GT PSP sales reported at 4,650,000.

Sept. 2017:
GT PSP sales reported at 4,670,000.

You're telling me Polyphony shipped an additional 20,000 copies of a near decade old game on a 4 year old discontinued platform?

Numbers on PD's website were shipment totals. Try again lol

I think this thread should be blocked, this GT vs. Forza thing has become old and very annoying and repetitive.

Eh, its just one diehard Forza fan who tries his hardest to undermine everything GT.

"sales" as a means of keeping GT's relevance

Sales is the very definition of relevance on the video game market .

When Forza (or any game for that matter) gains the amount the sales GT has

The thing is, GT already lost it's relevance since GT5

Maybe in your head but in reality its still by far the most relevant sim racer of our time.

5.5 million claimed accounts against...


Wait for it...



It's worth the wait, because I couldn't write a joke with a punchline this good...










3.85 million sales.

If you're trying to sound smart the very least you could do was get your numbers right.

3.85 million + sales in 6 months.
5.5 million players in 9 months.

 

[Tornado]

If you're trying to sound smart the very least you could do was get your numbers right.

3.85 million + sales in 6 months.
5.5 million players in 9 months.

Learn to read before lecturing others.

 

[daan]

I get the feeling some folk are just here for the arguments.