GT Sport have over 5 million players
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That’s an apples-oranges comparison. You’re comparing a niche genre to one of the most popular games in the world. 14 days between release for Forza and GTS is more than enough time to make up for the difference between the two in their release month.
At the end of the day I think the most telling thing of GTS sales being lower than previous entries is, as others have pointed out, the decline in interest of the sim-racing genre in general. IMO, I don’t think sim-racing holds the attention span of the younger gamers nowadays. The same reason baseball is a dying sport.
GT series will never sniff the numbers they used to put up, but neither will Forza Motorsport or PCars, so it makes more sense to compare GTS to those sales figures than sales of previous GT entries.
Forza Horizon and games like it will be the next big thing for the car genre. It wouldn’t surprise me to see FH eventually in the 8-10 million range depending on the direction they take in the future.
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Forza Horizon will never sniff 8-10million unless the demand for consoles increase. GT Sport is goliath and in the real world david never wins. GT is a juggernaut and well forza gimme a break, been hearing the same gander for almost a decade since 2009. All hype and no show, let alone its supposedly massive fanbase can't even support their franchise.
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GT Sport is hardly Goliath. Maybe in the sim-racing genre. Maybe.
The Forza Horizon formula is going to be the future of car games. And if it isn’t Forza someone else will come along and do it better. It’s new, it’s fresh, it’s different. It’s going to attract the mainstream gamers more than GTS, Motorsport, or PCars.
Just look at the numbers, they tell the story. Sim racers have had their days. Back when Gran Turismo really was a juggernaut. It’s just not the case anymore.
This is coming from someone who has been a die-hard GT fan since GT2. I’m no Forza fan boy, I just see the reality in front of us.
Online multiplayer with a cohesive open world environment is pretty much the winning formula of gaming at the moment. That being said, I can't think of a game *less* suited to adapt to that than a Sim racing game. Add to that an overall decrease of motorsport popularity (especially among youths) GT certainly has its work cut out for it.
Previous game sales aren't a tell of anything. PS2 as a console outsold PS3 and PS4 combined, those days are long gone where a rudimentary game can sell >10 million copies.
Racing games will always have a market though, and as long as PD can capture what players want, GT should be ok. I'm not entirely sure if they've done that with GT Sport though, it's a very polarizing game.
GT with GT5's single player, GT6's lobby system, Sport Mode, and a kickass open world-esque mode, should always sell like hot cakes.
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Which doesn't change @UKMikey's point about it being a minor (as in, completely avoidable) part of the game.
So you disagree, and then use an example to prove my point?
Think about what you just said. GT5 hit half of its lifetime sales in two weeks. What do you suppose it's two-month figure was? Over 50% of the LTD — so therefore, the bulk?
Still waiting on the source of your 5 million stat, actually.
Literally what the rest of the post said. Context is key.
One important aspect of player counts — again, for all games, not just Sport — compared to sales figures is that the former takes into account used sales.
Although it will be very interesting to see the sort of response other player base counts receive after this thread...
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The cliche: This is coming from someone who has been a die-hard GT fan since GT2. I’m no Forza fan boy, I just see the reality in front of us. Same repetitive gander, I've heard every time to basically throw in a little jab here and there.
GT demolishes Forza sales don't even try spilling nonsense with facts. We're all waiting for a major Forza title outsell a GT title. Forza is all hype and no show.
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Nice quote mining. Did you miss this?
I’m not making this Forza vs Gran Turismo. I genuinely don’t care one way or the other in that regard. Just that the Forza Horizon model has a brighter future than your run of the mill sim-racer. Forza Horizon is the early adopter. Maybe PD makes such a game? Maybe NFS beats everyone to it? Or a game we haven’t even heard of yet.
That is a fair point about PS2 and game sales, hadn’t really considered that. 10 million would probably be a reach, but I still think 6-8 would be very plausible.
That’d certainly be an amazing Gran Turismo game. Not sure PD would ever have the ambition to try such a thing unfortunately.
Not sure I follow, but if I do, I’d still say the FH model will do that better than a sim-racer.
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GT can outsell most things based on name alone. Doesn't change the fact the franchise has taken a major downturn in sales or reception based on the initial reviews when it first came out. It's certainly not what the franchise once was.
Same way Call of Duty can keep selling rehashed multiplayer shooters.
Uh, sounds like the future of any racing games since you GT die-hards seem intent on pointing out, "Nobody likes racing sims! They're on a decline! That's why GT suffers!"
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Future of the racing genre? Nope, I highly doubt SMS, PD, Kunos would jump from track based racing to open world just because it's popular right now, they'll stick to where they good at.
Forza Horizon series I think is the new benchmark for open world arcade racing game. The crew and NFS need to step up their game to compete with Horizon.
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If T10 don't make any money from Horizon then why is their logo on the game and their staff in the credits? Cars are modelled for both games so the money made doesn't just go back to Playground. Horizon is increasing in popularity and so wil Turn 10's share of the profits.
I'll leave it to others to explain why you're also off base regarding lootboxes.
The game doesn't just run on consoles.
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Exactly which just proves how overhyped the franchise is that even on both the PC/Xbox it can't even sniff GT sales. Forza is a dead franchise with its niche fanbase making it appear to be bigger than what it really is. Anyways GT is continuing the trend of demolishing Forza's sales.
Based on the hype of Forza you would assume it be more commercially successful with it's massive advertising and apparently huge fanbase, at the moment it's a commercial dud.
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Never said they would. I don’t think PD would be ambitious enough to tackle an open world concept.
I personally believe the open world games will soon outsell the sims, including Gran Turismo. They’ll attract a broader audience than strictly sim racing. Doesn’t mean we won’t get one that combines the best of both.
I don’t understand why everyone is harping on the open world game being arcade centred. Would an open world sim not be the next logical step for the genre? Maybe because it hasn’t been created yet, but someone will do it. Just a matter of who and when.
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As opposed to Sony's AAA racing title from the start that went from consistent 10,000,000+ copies for 13 years to 2 titles that can't outsell a glorified demo of GT5?
It's amazing how quickly you die-hards exaggerate things that end up showcasing your own side's decline. Meanwhile the commercial dud Forza still showcasing 9 million players across a 1.5 year old Horizon 3 where this thread is talking about hitting 5.5 million for Sport. Which reinforces dylpro's guess that open world games are the future of the racing genre.
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Maybe. I reckon GTS will have a LTD of 7 million.
Perhaps with a larger roster and release in the early part of the console lifecycle, GT7 could reach that 10 million figure.
That would be very surprising. Only GT and MK have gotten there and both are decades old.
No.
Not minor when it affects the buying of cars which is a core part of the game.
Thats still a big ratio that shows GT is not frontloaded.
Already mentioned it in a previous post.
Difference is with GTS we have access to an API that exactly shows player accounts and their activity. Still its definitely an interesting stat alongside sales.
Providing only the active player base is a big tactic MS and other pubs likes to use to try and skirt around disappointing sales or inflate the perception of sales. They do it with the XB1 and they do it with some of their software.
Not when GTS has 5.5 million players in 9 months.
The statements of GTS being incredibly popular whilst declining due to its genre being in decline are not mutually exclusive statements.
There are plenty of other production company logos in credits. Like I said its minor.
T10 as a studio exist due to FM and that series seems to be in trouble. They don't exist to provide support for Playground and trying to account FH to them seems to be a copout to the reality of FM's loss of popularity.
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Could someone please fix the title? Every time I read 'GT Sport have over 5 million players', I just get so irritated for some reason.
Anyway, actually on the topic, I don't know why there's so much bickering over two completely different games on different consoles and how their sales numbers compare. There's really nothing to gain except trying to justify your own £300 console purchases to people who, let's face it, aren't going to be pursuaded anyway.
I think 5 million is a good number, sure it's not as high as previous GT titles, but it's still good in its own right for what really essentially is a spin off game from the franchise. I know Kaz says it's a main GT title, but it's not really. Although it is taking away from what could have been a much more complete GT7, but that's another issue which has been endlessly discussed in other places.
Anyway, actually on the topic, I don't know why there's so much bickering over two completely different games on different consoles and how their sales numbers compare. There's really nothing to gain except trying to justify your own £300 console purchases to people who, let's face it, aren't going to be pursuaded anyway.
I think 5 million is a good number, sure it's not as high as previous GT titles, but it's still good in its own right for what really essentially is a spin off game from the franchise. I know Kaz says it's a main GT title, but it's not really. Although it is taking away from what could have been a much more complete GT7, but that's another issue which has been endlessly discussed in other places.
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This isn't proof. You openly admit its an estimation. Sales do not equal player base; Rockstar does not actually have 80-90 million individual players.
Your only proof is assuming 5 million active players means 5 million copies. You were already told PD reported a combined sales of 77,020,000 million excluding GT Sport in September '17. In May '18, PD reported an overall franchise record of 80.4 million units. In that time frame of Sept.-May is where GT Sport moved the franchise overall record from 77.02 to 80.4; 3.38 additional copies to estimate on.
Then you presented the assumption that somehow from May to halfway through July, the game sold an additional 1.2m-1.62m copies to match the current tweet of 5 million+ players? Really? It takes the game from October launch to May to move 3.38-3.8 million copies (7 months) yet in the last 2 months, it all of sudden sold possibly 1.5 million more units?
And only 3.8 million in sales at reported best in this thread.
It's only popular because of its name, let's be honest. Again, the initial reviews at launch really showcased the differences people were expecting it to be.
Need For Speed has been in a bit of up and down. To my understanding, the last game was a turn back into the right direction, but a lot of damage was done to the franchise by previous titles. The Crew 2 would a better idea of where the genre could be going, but that game is apparently suffering at launch. For now, the huge popularity of Horizon compared to other racers is the best indication. And of course, if the rumors of another Test Drive Unlimited are anything to go by.
I think the move towards open world racing isn't really even a credit to the racing genre; I think it's more to do with the popularity of open world games in general. I think if anyone wanted to steal the current mantle of open world racing, Rockstar would be the one to do it with a revival of Midnight Club. That was already a popular franchise for them and they have made themselves the bar for open world success with GTA. Nobody is even close.
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That doesn't distract from anything I said; slap Gran Turismo on it, people like you will play it for no other reason.
You know, I feel like GTS was marketed very poorly. From the moment it was announced, it was like, ok; is this GT7 or not? I'm a life long GT fan but I wasn't keeping up with its development for this reason. People would ask me what I thought about the upcoming GT and I said, I don't even know what it is. Is it another GT Prologue centered around time trials? Is it related to GT Academy? All I knew was it *wasn't* GT7. Because of that, I didn't even know it's release date. I just saw friends playing it one day so I bought the digital version. I guess this confirms the points you are making.
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There are plenty of reasons why I play GTS. May not be the same reasons you play but I shall list a few.
Sport mode daily races and FIA tournaments
rewarded a car for playing everyday
single player challenges
circuit experience
league career mode
Chatting with racers in the lobby using the text box
creating custom races hosting a lobby
capturing the perfect pictures using 'Scapes'
creating liveries
Game music
gorgeous interface GUI
works really nice with my wheel
beautiful graphics
it seems others also enjoy GTS
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What others enjoy is fine. I specifically mentioned people like you because you openly defend this game from any criticism from reviews, to rubber banding AI, to physics, to graphics, to what the developers said before release. You come across as the type of person to enjoy whatever PD puts in this game, even with valid complaints from others about how certain features were implemented.
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Your assumptions are wrong
https://www.resetera.com/threads/gr...-80-4m-as-of-may-8th-2018.41808/#post-7790842
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