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GT Sport vs Other Games: Comparison Video Thread
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What would we see different, if it was exclusively PS4 or Xbox One videos? We've seen a lot of hints at some videos that they might actually be consoles footage. If we can assume that it isn't a console, we can also assume that it might be. We can still use these videos to gauge how the game is going to be turning out.
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Then you be a smarter person then I (not hard 
) and stop pushing like that against my "insertions" as I might be not mature enough to do that. If you also can't, like I can't, that is perfectly fine in my book
) and stop pushing like that against my "insertions" as I might be not mature enough to do that. If you also can't, like I can't, that is perfectly fine in my book
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I'd appreciate that you'd leave your insinuations about me at the door, as I'm discussing the point of differences between the consoles and the PC. Address the point or don't, but if you're going to continue replying than why not add some context to the discussion?Then you be a smarter person then I (not hard
What do you think the differences would be between a PC video, and a video from the console version? Would it be something like graphical/visual fidelity being a bit different? If so, than that already is happening with the GTS videos as we've seen a ton of Pro specific videos, which in itself is able to do more than what the base can do, so I think its a fair comparison to use.
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Fair comparisons, imo, are comparisons on the same type of hardware - ps4 v. ps4 - pro v. pro... There will be LOTS of pCARS 2 gameplay videos from their latest gold build. I am in no hurry, they will come in a week or two the latest. No chance they wont
Can't wait to see, from gold build, what I'll be getting on my disc. Can't wait 👍
Can't wait to see, from gold build, what I'll be getting on my disc. Can't wait 👍
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Than I fail to see the insistence on the point over the past few weeks. Just like PCars2, we've seen very little content on the base, and most of the things like VR are represented on the PRO. Yet, you have no problem using those videos. Just like the PS4 and the Pro, there will be graphical differences between the two.Fair comparisons, imo, are comparisons on the same type of hardware - ps4 v. ps4 - pro v. pro... There will be LOTS of pCARS 2 gameplay videos from their latest gold build. I am in no hurry, they will come in a week or two the latest. No chance they wont
Can't wait to see, from gold build, what I'll be getting on my disc. Can't wait 👍
What's on disc likely isn't going to be changing between the 3 consoles it's going to be on, outside of things like preorder incentives, so these videos can very much be used to gauge a comparison between the 2 games we're discussing.
May I ask why these videos that might be on PC(and might also be on console) are invalid for a comparison to you? What do you think differences would be, that you'd outright disregard it?
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This is what I meant before - the videos at this point should be thought of as preliminary entertainment. There'll be a mix of VR, 1080ti, PS4Pro, etc.
They're not necessarily for the sake of argument, but more so for the sake of pure enjoyment. I suppose there'll be arguments, but there are too many variables right now to have any worthwhile arguments.
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We haven't seen either game running on the base PS4 yet, so it doesn't make sense why one would be disregarded and not the other. Outside of things being different visually, to a degree, these videos can still very much show us what we're going to be getting. I'm willing to bet that PS4 footage being released, isn't going to be showing anything different in terms of the actual game and the content.
If the comparison is going to be between absolutely nothing but visual prowess, than I can understand, somewhat. That's just too shallow of a comparison in my opinion, though.
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Oooooh, don't know... Maybe I've been burned by Assetto on day 1, to realize it lacked like HALF options that directly relate to simulation matters - from what they have been showing with their PC build. And MAJORITY of customers were surprised - check the threads on this forum!
Check them for how many customers were how much surprised by god awful controller implementation i pCARS...
Aaaand, check related threads for how many customers bought new Fanatec wheels for pCARS because they were told blatant un-truths by SMS that they will be properly coded for. But half of them ended up as just mere controller emulators with rims, no real driver level coding... Fanatecs cost a LOT of money!
How come? Well, some sites like "Inside Sim Racing" were relatively honest but relatively LATE to point that stuff out. Coincidence? Koinkidink? So I saw them when my disc already shipped. Not to mention bloody wheel!!!
Other sites, like "VVV team" kept quiet, ignoring or dancing confusingly around all those issues - AND were also obviously heavily involved in their marketing, very cosy with those developers. Koinkidink? Ok, maybe, $ure...
Tl;dr - even when direct comparisons arrive I still wont take it for granted.
Check them for how many customers were how much surprised by god awful controller implementation i pCARS...
Aaaand, check related threads for how many customers bought new Fanatec wheels for pCARS because they were told blatant un-truths by SMS that they will be properly coded for. But half of them ended up as just mere controller emulators with rims, no real driver level coding... Fanatecs cost a LOT of money!
How come? Well, some sites like "Inside Sim Racing" were relatively honest but relatively LATE to point that stuff out. Coincidence? Koinkidink? So I saw them when my disc already shipped. Not to mention bloody wheel!!!
Other sites, like "VVV team" kept quiet, ignoring or dancing confusingly around all those issues - AND were also obviously heavily involved in their marketing, very cosy with those developers. Koinkidink? Ok, maybe, $ure...
Tl;dr - even when direct comparisons arrive I still wont take it for granted.
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Where did this idea that games can't be compared unless they're on identical systems come from? Does that mean Forza should never, ever be compared to GT?
The comparisons can, and should, happen. When people throw out qualifiers as to why it shouldn't happen, it tends to be because they don't like the results. Where does the line stop, anyway? One could make the argument that Assetto Corsa shouldn't be compared to any other games because it's from a much smaller team working with a much smaller budget. GT Sport's graphics look fantastic: should that be ignored because, as a first-party develeoper, PD has an advantage over other devs that's "unfair"?
It's all very strange.
The comparisons can, and should, happen. When people throw out qualifiers as to why it shouldn't happen, it tends to be because they don't like the results. Where does the line stop, anyway? One could make the argument that Assetto Corsa shouldn't be compared to any other games because it's from a much smaller team working with a much smaller budget. GT Sport's graphics look fantastic: should that be ignored because, as a first-party develeoper, PD has an advantage over other devs that's "unfair"?
It's all very strange.
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So then why are you not viewing GTS in the same light? We've seen lots of videos of Pro footage, but how is the base going to fair? We know that it can't hit a locked FPS even on the pro, so how is the base going to turn up? We don't really have an idea on that either. That's why I'm not understanding your insistence to view one side like that, but not the other. What were the differences between Pcars on consoles, compared to it on the PC?
Yeah, and are you to say that the release of GTS is going to be absolutely bug free? It's a bug(or just terrible quality control), it happens. That is something that a video would not have shown either way, and that is something no one will know until after release anyways as why would a company try to show their negative aspects of a game? GT has never been one to put their issues for all to see, it's no different with others.
Ok, and again, that is something that a video is not going to show. There was no difference in the actual game, just the peripherals used. That they had terrible PR is not representative of the actual game.
All games have embargo's on them, and you can not give a full review on a gold game until the game is actually ready to be purchased, so there was going to be no way to know this. Either way, again, these are all not content changes or major differences concerning lacking content between the version, but more so bugs and issues. Much like any game has had, and much like GT has had in the past. Videos would do very little in terms of showing that until extensively researched after the game comes out.How come? Well, some sites like "Inside Sim Racing" were relatively honest but relatively LATE to point that stuff out. Coincidence? Koinkidink? Maybe, but I saw them when my disc already shipped. They were never expressly involved in marketing of those games, good for them. Not to mention bloody wheel!!!
What exactly does that have to do with our discussion about the differences in the actual game, it's content, and what's within it, between the consoles?
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Where did I or anyone say they can't - I intended to make it clear that I would prefer to compare pCARS 2 gold build for ps4 with GTS gold build for ps4.
Also, pCARS 2 gold build for ps4Pro with GTS gold build for ps4Pro.
If i have failed in making it clear, maybe I'll succeed now. But, really, my related posts seem quite defined, I'll try better.
It is sad that GTSport is yet too far out for true gold builds, but at least pCARS 2 is just around the corner - they better, imo, start showering us with those next week, gold builds gameplays.
Because that puts pCARS 2 in clear advantage, gold build means quite finished game, unlike GTSport, so they should not worry about comparisons with less-finished competitor. Imo
I do not mind all kunds of comparisons. Does anyone? Only, I will be most glad as we get more and more gold standard comparisons. That's all.
Also, pCARS 2 gold build for ps4Pro with GTS gold build for ps4Pro.
If i have failed in making it clear, maybe I'll succeed now. But, really, my related posts seem quite defined, I'll try better.
It is sad that GTSport is yet too far out for true gold builds, but at least pCARS 2 is just around the corner - they better, imo, start showering us with those next week, gold builds gameplays.
Because that puts pCARS 2 in clear advantage, gold build means quite finished game, unlike GTSport, so they should not worry about comparisons with less-finished competitor. Imo
I do not mind all kunds of comparisons. Does anyone? Only, I will be most glad as we get more and more gold standard comparisons. That's all.
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You keep insisting that it's not a valid comparison because its not on Console(even though there's hints that it might be.) That's where it seemed like you meant that it can't. If you don't think that than I don't know what else is stopping you if that's the case.
They've already been showering us with content. You're just not using it as a valid comparison because you think it might not be on consoles on some videos. When A game goes gold, little will change on the actual content and feel of the game, so I'm not sure what you think is going to be different.
We're one month away from Pcars2, and 2 for GTS, it's likely that they're both extremely close to being a finished game, if they aren't already.
You keep saying that, but if that's the case than you've also seen absolutely no "gold" footage of GTS either, but that hasn't stopped you from viewing one in a negative light.
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I suppose its to keep the comparison 'fair'. I don't think the idea is for them to be compared on identical systems, but to be on similarly powered systems.
For instance if someone puts some PS4 Pro footage of GTS next to vanilla XB1 FM7 footage, you'll be sure to have the 'fairness' of the comparison questioned. Same if you put GTS on vanilla PS4 v FM7 on XB1X.
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What part of the comparison would be unfair?
So if that's what people think, than they should stay away from discussions like this, as if this isn't fair than neither is any comparison ever between cross consoles, or even between individual games as some people are just going to have access to things some don't. It's not that it's unfair, it's that people don't like the outcome of a solid comparison. Is it fair to compare Kunos to PD when the size of Kunos staff can fit in a small office? No, but that doesn't exclude them, and shouldn't exclude them, from being in the same comparison as everyone else.
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And I never excluded them, or anyone else to my knowledge. But, imo, it seem to me like you cant't get over just this one detail that I personaly would like EVEN MORE kinds of comparisons that I find EVEN more correct. Somehow you would be fine with me thinking that but only not when i'm stating that?
I apologize, do not mean to impose that this IS how it is, it just seem to me at the moment. Does not mean anything really, as I have said few posts earlier - any opinion is perfectly fine by me, I just would like same freedom of adding my own perception on the matter. Nothing but perception.
But, instead, I'm just stuck here writing post upon post defending that freedom and pointing out again and again that I'm not against any kind of comparison. Why? I must be dumb Or is anyone who (not dumb but whatever) who is pushing onto me that i've said oposites of all my clear statements, mainly that i would only prefer more direct comparisons, not exclude them.
I apologize, do not mean to impose that this IS how it is, it just seem to me at the moment. Does not mean anything really, as I have said few posts earlier - any opinion is perfectly fine by me, I just would like same freedom of adding my own perception on the matter. Nothing but perception.
But, instead, I'm just stuck here writing post upon post defending that freedom and pointing out again and again that I'm not against any kind of comparison. Why? I must be dumb
Or is anyone who (not dumb but whatever) who is pushing onto me that i've said oposites of all my clear statements, mainly that i would only prefer more direct comparisons, not exclude them.
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Except that every time it has come up in a comparison, you keep insisting that we wait for console footage instead, even though there has been videos that seem point at the fact that they might actually be console footage. You keep coming up with reasons why it's unfair, and using examples of issues that plagued games as a source for not trusting these videos, even though the issues you brought up has less to do with differing content, and more to do with actual issues/bugs within the game. I'm sticking to what you keep discussing, that is all, so you can't get mad that I keep on replying to something that you keep posting. It would be fine if you weren't trying to continuously downplay a comparison just because you don't think it's a console version, not that the comparison would likely change even if it was a console version.
And this is my opinion. No one is stopping you, so stop pretending.
And I'm using that exact same freedom that you have, so what is the issue here? That you were asked to explain your opinion, that you yourself posted, in a thread meant for discussion about comparisons between games? No one is taking any freedom away from you, but you can't get upset when people ask you about your opinion, when the only reason they are able to ask you is because you wanted it known.But, instead, I'm just stuck here writing post upon post defending that freedom and pointing out again and again that I'm not against any kind of comparison. Why? I must be dumb
This is a direct comparison. Its one game, compared to another game. So again, you're not willing to take on PC comparisons because it's not a like for like console(which is odd, considering you said you weren't excluding them in the first place), but what do you think is actually going to be different within the game content that makes it an unfair comparison?
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You can't exactly make a track lively when the sky is black...But that pCARS 2 night atmosphere is just dry, lifeless... Ofc, feel of racing is great, I'm just saying that the rest is underwelming - after the day I saw this GTS replay!
And, if I understood correctly, this is not even "cinematic" replay - it has no added effects like blur etc.?
Interesting you've dug up this quote specifically. But anyway, there are always improvements across the board when a new console is released. Yet the improvements from PS3 to PS4 are decent enough to develop something great. There is no excuse to go backwards in terms of sounds, graphics and physics, yet shockingly, they've gone backwards in regards to offline content. But that's a different can of worms...
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While that would be ideal, its simply not always going to be possible, as such that alone should not preclude it being posted here or even comparisons being done. As long as its clearly stated what the source is, then people can take that on board when comparing.
A degree of understanding of the technical side does also help as well, for example you may have a piece of VR footage shown from PC, however most capture of this nature comes from one of the image sources (left or right eye, not both), as such it actually takes quite a hit from footage captured from the same PC had it been done from an output to a single monitor.
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It's not hard to see the logic, the stronger platform would produce a better representation. It's relevant if someone were to argue that one looks better than the other.
I agree, which is why I posted them despite the differences in platform. Personally, I enjoy visiting the PC2 forums to look at the videos even if I don't plan to purchase it. I just don't bring my GTS comparisons over there.
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Well, if there was to be any definitive argument about looks, than yeah... all games would need to be in the best light. The whole PS4/XB example is just over complicating the point man - of course you can compare FM7 to GTS
They can and will always be compared (why I posted them in the first place). But for definitive arguments about visuals, I think each game should be shown in best light.
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If that's the case than there is literally absolutely no reason to exclude PC videos from comparison, whatsoever. Adding to that, there is nothing "unfair" at that point, if that's what you think.Well, if there was to be any definitive argument about looks, than yeah... all games would need to be in the best light. The whole PS4/XB example is just over complicating the point man - of course you can compare FM7 to GTS
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. The rain particles are much much better than PCARS 2 in my opinion. The lighting is a bit of hit and miss but not very far off GTSport. Need the brake lights to reflect on the road surface (nitpicking really). But I'd say in terms of rain it is DC>F7>PCARS 2 .
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I'll nitpick right there along with you, I've always hated the way the lights have looked in general on Forza games.
What a horrible driver though
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