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- Somebodyshootme
GT Touring Car Series -- Series finished! Ozwheels3 takes the title!Finished
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- Satellite of Love
- flip157
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- nail-27
I'll just jump in and go. Don't want to screw up the system and/or be a moving chicane in race two.
Question. Are chassis mods allowed or is the only mod allowed the stage 1 turbo? Current pp with turbo is 495with 351. Oh and changed the oil
Disregard....so I assume the only power mod allowed is the Stage 1 turbo
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- timeee11
No pit required by the looks of it. OZ wins by half a lap as his car is the fastest since knocking the integra down by PP and HP. Not only is the integra slower with less power now, but on most of the remaining tracks including Silverstone National, it will still consume its front tires significantly and thus lose out dramatically over this race distance.
To me this is what PP is for. Start talking power to weight, etc and that means little when you look at the whole package and particularly tire wear and handling characteristics.
Knocking the Integra down after the Madrid pre-season race was a knee jerk reaction. I lost that race by 18 secs as the front tires were at 2 and the rears still at 9. Un-driveable. I have been working on set-up to try and mitigate this but it is clear it will never touch the BMW. It is clear by 0.5 to 1.0secs or more at every track. Now one car and driver has a significant advantage and it takes away from the racing to be honest.
The limit is 501pp and we need to respect that, so the integra is lost terrain with 484... My BMW have 500pp but i can't do the times oz do... is a drivable and setup thing, it´s no true the bmw is the best in any track. With more pp the integra have more advantage in some tracks, but in other is going to suffer a lot. If you ask me, respected the 501 pp, the winner in both monza races is the integra. Its just my opinion.
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- Satellite of Love
- flip157
I understand your concerns, as balancing the cars proves to be a moving target.
The reason the Integra was backed down was because it was capable of accelerating and overall, being a few miles an hour faster than the other cars on almost every straight, on its own with no drafting help. Cars in the draft weren't able to keep up, and that was what was seen as being and unfair mechanical advantage. As far as tire wear is concerned, that appears to be a characteristic of the car. So unfortunately, I'm not entirely sure what to do about that. I would think that lowering the power would help that.
Now with the BMW, it gets a little weird. I have just played around with the Bimer around tonight's track with a few different setups at the 500pp mark as specified on the front, and here's what happened: I could not make that car do 57's around Silverstone, even in arcade mode. In fact, this is one of my slowest car. So for me, with the tuning guide that is on the master post, that I'm assuming and hoping that everyone is following, the BMW fits in with the field.
So now we're in an area where we would be balancing a car based how fast a driver is, rather than how fast the car may be. There is more than one BMW driver, and both drivers are not hitting the same, which is what makes this a bit of a sticky situation.
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- Somebodyshootme
Practice room up
1472-6118-3615-5264-7651
Finally hit a 57. I was running a wrong tune when I was hitting my 58s... this may turn into a good race. I think after tonight we should have a chat over the Integra pp vs. Power to Weight issue. I think there should be some middle ground we can hit to make this resolved.
I do think it is unfair that Timeee has to battle the tire wear issue, but it is part of the car choice. Maybe back to the last mod for the car with say a power limiter or ballast... not 100% sure where to go with it. Ballast might be a good solution, though making the car heavier, it gives the ability to balance out the car a little more.
1472-6118-3615-5264-7651
Finally hit a 57. I was running a wrong tune when I was hitting my 58s... this may turn into a good race. I think after tonight we should have a chat over the Integra pp vs. Power to Weight issue. I think there should be some middle ground we can hit to make this resolved.
I do think it is unfair that Timeee has to battle the tire wear issue, but it is part of the car choice. Maybe back to the last mod for the car with say a power limiter or ballast... not 100% sure where to go with it. Ballast might be a good solution, though making the car heavier, it gives the ability to balance out the car a little more.
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- ozwheels3
I have a few things to say and I'm gonna sound like a dick and have an ego.
1. The pp system is not even close to reliable in GT6 as far as car balancing. Running everything at 501pp WILL NOT WORK. Flip and whoever helped did an amazing job with the regs on the main page and the cars are VERY close in lap times. I create regs and test them for a lot of people on GTPlanet and I have tested all of the cars we run before the season even started. FWD tire wear is one thing that is uncontrollable. If you give FWD cars 6+ mph on the straights them it will be impossible to pass and STAY in front of them. I know this for a fact because I've dealt with this very same problem before.
2. Anyone who thinks I set the fastest lap times because I'm driving the BMW is kidding themselves. The Lexus and Miata are faster than the BMW, I chose the BMW so it would be a challenge for myself. I am usually the fastest person in any room I go to driving anything. Call it cocky if you want but it's the truth. I will help anyone here who wants help with setups and driving techniques. I will post my BMW setup for Silverstone and challenge anyone to run 57.8 consistently.
3. People are not staying true to the power and weight requirements listed on the main page. These people know who they are and your not cheating anyone but yourself. Hopefully they run the correct regs tonight.
BMW Setup for Silverstone National at 57.8
Ride Height 60 65
Spring Rate 10.40 12.69
Compression 5 5
Extension 7 5
Roll Bars 4 4
Camber 0.0 0.0
Toe -0.14 -0.06
Brakes 5 9
Set Final to 5.000
Set Top Speed to 112
1st 3.836
2nd 2.650
3rd 2.000
4th 1.590
5th 1.300
Set Final to 3.500
Initial 8
Acceleration 13
Braking 5
500pp 337hp 259tq 9700RPM
Oil Change
100% Power Limiter
Racing Exhaust
Mid RPM Turbo
Front Downforce 200
Rear Downforce 300
1. The pp system is not even close to reliable in GT6 as far as car balancing. Running everything at 501pp WILL NOT WORK. Flip and whoever helped did an amazing job with the regs on the main page and the cars are VERY close in lap times. I create regs and test them for a lot of people on GTPlanet and I have tested all of the cars we run before the season even started. FWD tire wear is one thing that is uncontrollable. If you give FWD cars 6+ mph on the straights them it will be impossible to pass and STAY in front of them. I know this for a fact because I've dealt with this very same problem before.
2. Anyone who thinks I set the fastest lap times because I'm driving the BMW is kidding themselves. The Lexus and Miata are faster than the BMW, I chose the BMW so it would be a challenge for myself. I am usually the fastest person in any room I go to driving anything. Call it cocky if you want but it's the truth. I will help anyone here who wants help with setups and driving techniques. I will post my BMW setup for Silverstone and challenge anyone to run 57.8 consistently.
3. People are not staying true to the power and weight requirements listed on the main page. These people know who they are and your not cheating anyone but yourself. Hopefully they run the correct regs tonight.
BMW Setup for Silverstone National at 57.8
Ride Height 60 65
Spring Rate 10.40 12.69
Compression 5 5
Extension 7 5
Roll Bars 4 4
Camber 0.0 0.0
Toe -0.14 -0.06
Brakes 5 9
Set Final to 5.000
Set Top Speed to 112
1st 3.836
2nd 2.650
3rd 2.000
4th 1.590
5th 1.300
Set Final to 3.500
Initial 8
Acceleration 13
Braking 5
500pp 337hp 259tq 9700RPM
Oil Change
100% Power Limiter
Racing Exhaust
Mid RPM Turbo
Front Downforce 200
Rear Downforce 300
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- swiftautosport9
Hey sorry I'm running late my PS3 froze. I'm on my way just give me a minute.
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- Somebodyshootme
I don't feel your being cooky at all. I can say I am by no means slow online or offline at all. If I knew how to setup cars better and put some real track time into a course I could be a lot faster.
Flip has done a great job with setting this up and continuing to listen to us.
Request somebodyshootme as friend and then follow me into the room from lobby and friends
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- swiftautosport9
I got disconnected from the second race. My night was awful. I will be back next week for a better result.
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- joseneihosue
What an awesome race guys. I got a little loosey goosey in a few places and I think I hit flip and smith a few times. Sorry guys ><
But can't wait for next week!
But can't wait for next week!
"I'll Owe You Won" Racing FTW
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- Somebodyshootme
Sorry for the double post, but here is the replay of race 1 tonight.
To View the file you must download the file first.
Then you must unzip it onto the computer.
Do not rename the folder or any files in it.
Copy the folder onto a storage device that you can connect to your PS3
Download it on to the PS3
The next step is to have GT6 recognize the file you have to do this - import them into GT6 using the "Load Files" part of the Gallery (scroll all the way to the right). then voila you can see the replay
my one problem is that the file is too large... I will get it somewhere online an attach a link.
So download it from this link
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8_hB1nXChE5a212WGdjX19LZXc&usp=sharing
To View the file you must download the file first.
Then you must unzip it onto the computer.
Do not rename the folder or any files in it.
Copy the folder onto a storage device that you can connect to your PS3
Download it on to the PS3
The next step is to have GT6 recognize the file you have to do this - import them into GT6 using the "Load Files" part of the Gallery (scroll all the way to the right). then voila you can see the replay
my one problem is that the file is too large... I will get it somewhere online an attach a link.
So download it from this link
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8_hB1nXChE5a212WGdjX19LZXc&usp=sharing
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- flip157
Well, last night was interesting.
Race Results
Round 3
1. Somebodyshootme
2. ozwheels3
3. timeee11
4. draqua_fresh
5. flip157
6. joseneilhosne
7. WaganGhost
8. ares118785
9. elchinox2
10. Jay2DaB329
11. smith1001
Round 4
1. timeee11
2. ozwheels3
3. joseneilhosue
4. Somebodyshootme
5. draqua_fresh
6. flip157
7. elchinox2
8. Jay2DaB329
9. ares118785
10. WaganGhost
11. smith1001 (disconnect)
Here are the updated points through Round 4.Round 3
1. Somebodyshootme
2. ozwheels3
3. timeee11
4. draqua_fresh
5. flip157
6. joseneilhosne
7. WaganGhost
8. ares118785
9. elchinox2
10. Jay2DaB329
11. smith1001
Round 4
1. timeee11
2. ozwheels3
3. joseneilhosue
4. Somebodyshootme
5. draqua_fresh
6. flip157
7. elchinox2
8. Jay2DaB329
9. ares118785
10. WaganGhost
11. smith1001 (disconnect)
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- flip157
Just a couple of announcements to make:
1. There will be an extra practice room for the race at Ascari tonight at around 11:30pm EST. We will probably just focus on setups and tuning for tonight. So if you can make it, please come on out!
2. A few issues have been brought up about people not following the tuning guide up at the front. These are currently being looked into, and decisions will be made quickly. I am all for giving drivers a second chance, but repeat offenders are subject to disqualification and will not be permitted to compete in the remainder of the series.
3. This last one is a question for you guys. We've already had four races under out belts and have experienced the reverse grid for race 2. However, I think we've noticed that race 2 each week is a little more hectic than race 1 is. So my question to you is this:
Should we continue using reverse grid to set up race 2?
The alternatives that I can think of would be to set the grid by the race finish, not reversed. Or a second, perhaps shorter qualifying session. We don't have to worry about this this week, as there is only one race. But I would like to know what people think about this.
And I would like to apologize for my actions in race 2, I felt like I messed up a lot of good cars being a little too aggressive early on. The two cars in front of my jumped on the brakes sooner than I thought, and I basically plowed into both of them. I'm pretty sure that also messed some people up behind me. I strive to improve my race craft with every race, I just hate to do it like that.
Tuesday and Thursday are still on schedule for next week. See everyone at Ascari!
1. There will be an extra practice room for the race at Ascari tonight at around 11:30pm EST. We will probably just focus on setups and tuning for tonight. So if you can make it, please come on out!
2. A few issues have been brought up about people not following the tuning guide up at the front. These are currently being looked into, and decisions will be made quickly. I am all for giving drivers a second chance, but repeat offenders are subject to disqualification and will not be permitted to compete in the remainder of the series.
3. This last one is a question for you guys. We've already had four races under out belts and have experienced the reverse grid for race 2. However, I think we've noticed that race 2 each week is a little more hectic than race 1 is. So my question to you is this:
Should we continue using reverse grid to set up race 2?
The alternatives that I can think of would be to set the grid by the race finish, not reversed. Or a second, perhaps shorter qualifying session. We don't have to worry about this this week, as there is only one race. But I would like to know what people think about this.
And I would like to apologize for my actions in race 2, I felt like I messed up a lot of good cars being a little too aggressive early on. The two cars in front of my jumped on the brakes sooner than I thought, and I basically plowed into both of them. I'm pretty sure that also messed some people up behind me. I strive to improve my race craft with every race, I just hate to do it like that.
Tuesday and Thursday are still on schedule for next week. See everyone at Ascari!
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