GT4 WRS Week 35 : "Grand German V6 Valley"
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Sorry Curtis, (and anyone else in the TT 
) I should have posted my setup earlier. 
BB- 3,3
suspension
10.8,7.8
114,103
7,5
6,4
2.0,1.0
0,0
4,3
Auto 14
adjust 5th @ .900 and 6th @ .755
I'm shifting at 7,000 rpm
DA 0,0,0
DF 30,30
LSD-full customize all set at 5 (seemed to work a little better than standard LSD)
VCD-10
Rollcage is installed
Brakes are real touchy, but I need them set at 3 for full braking at the first turn. Everywhere else, it's just a touch except for just before the tunnel. This setup will take the hard rumble hits too. So no need for all fours on track. hehe.
Speaking of which, I have a question for the setup gurus out there.
I have noticed this only in GT mode cars, and mostly in non-race cars. I don't know how to entirely fix it, but I would sure like it if someone did know how. 👍
Here's what happens. I'll be coming into a high speed turn section, especially like a chicane, and hit the rumble on entrance with say my right side. Immediately I want to go left, to hit the opposite apex, but I have noticed a weird little yaw deal that happens with the front end. It seems to kind of waver to the right slightly before going left. Usually it's not too upsetting, but sometimes it is so severe that it makes me oversteer to the left because it feels like I don't have enough
steering input. But actually I do.
Has anyone else had this? What do you do for it? Like I say, I only notice it in Sim mode, with or without the rollcage, so it must be a setup error. The arcade cars for the most part track nice and straight when hitting curbs without that weird little wiggle at the front. Sure would like to know what it is.
Later
) I should have posted my setup earlier. BB- 3,3
suspension
10.8,7.8
114,103
7,5
6,4
2.0,1.0
0,0
4,3
Auto 14
adjust 5th @ .900 and 6th @ .755
I'm shifting at 7,000 rpm
DA 0,0,0
DF 30,30
LSD-full customize all set at 5 (seemed to work a little better than standard LSD)
VCD-10
Rollcage is installed
Brakes are real touchy, but I need them set at 3 for full braking at the first turn. Everywhere else, it's just a touch except for just before the tunnel. This setup will take the hard rumble hits too.
So no need for all fours on track. hehe.Speaking of which, I have a question for the setup gurus out there.
I have noticed this only in GT mode cars, and mostly in non-race cars. I don't know how to entirely fix it, but I would sure like it if someone did know how. 👍
Here's what happens. I'll be coming into a high speed turn section, especially like a chicane, and hit the rumble on entrance with say my right side. Immediately I want to go left, to hit the opposite apex, but I have noticed a weird little yaw deal that happens with the front end. It seems to kind of waver to the right slightly before going left. Usually it's not too upsetting, but sometimes it is so severe that it makes me oversteer to the left because it feels like I don't have enough
steering input. But actually I do.
Has anyone else had this? What do you do for it? Like I say, I only notice it in Sim mode, with or without the rollcage, so it must be a setup error. The arcade cars for the most part track nice and straight when hitting curbs without that weird little wiggle at the front. Sure would like to know what it is. Later
- 891
First runs this morning with both Audis. A3 is edging out the TT by .2 seconds overall.
Audi A3 3.2 quattro
T1: 0:19.508
T2: 0:37.796
I feel like I'm not in the groove yet so hopefully I'll cut a good half second.
Audi A3 3.2 quattro
T1: 0:19.508
T2: 0:37.796
I feel like I'm not in the groove yet so hopefully I'll cut a good half second.
- 1,111
- SHigSpeed
MinorShuntSpeaking of which, I have a question for the setup gurus out there.
I have noticed this only in GT mode cars, and mostly in non-race cars. I don't know how to entirely fix it, but I would sure like it if someone did know how. 👍
Here's what happens. I'll be coming into a high speed turn section, especially like a chicane, and hit the rumble on entrance with say my right side. Immediately I want to go left, to hit the opposite apex, but I have noticed a weird little yaw deal that happens with the front end. It seems to kind of waver to the right slightly before going left. Usually it's not too upsetting, but sometimes it is so severe that it makes me oversteer to the left because it feels like I don't have enough
steering input. But actually I do.
Later
Can't say I'm a guru but I THINK I know what you're referring to. It seems like some curbs are "magnetic" in that even though they're on the wrong side of the car to act as a cushion or berm, they pull your car in. Is that what you're referring to? I've never really tried to tune that out though... Have you tried going softer on the springs and increasing ride height? Can you share a replay with a good example of this behavior?
Seeya,
-SHig
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
Guys,
For a reference point to minor's question, see posts 335-342 in the chit-chat thread.
I know what minor is refering to is the front axle in his question, but, since we are using a 4WD car this week it should be relevant.
EDIT
As an afterthought, maybe the shear nature of the rumble strips is 'dragging' the fronts towards the strip (they are steps afterall) and as such would cause the steering to be effected
Or a combination of both theories.
Maybe?
I'm not a tuning guru either, just logical and slightly anal where stuff like this is concerned. And sometimes I'm wrong too!
Also, don't forget that the car's handling is 'dumbed down' in arcade mode too!
EDIT,EDIT
No new splits from me, been cooking up a storm all day, and now want to kill strogg for a while, for some relaxation!
Will be back later
Neil
For a reference point to minor's question, see posts 335-342 in the chit-chat thread.
I know what minor is refering to is the front axle in his question, but, since we are using a 4WD car this week it should be relevant.
EDIT
As an afterthought, maybe the shear nature of the rumble strips is 'dragging' the fronts towards the strip (they are steps afterall) and as such would cause the steering to be effected
Or a combination of both theories.
Maybe?
I'm not a tuning guru either, just logical and slightly anal where stuff like this is concerned. And sometimes I'm wrong too!
Also, don't forget that the car's handling is 'dumbed down' in arcade mode too!
EDIT,EDIT
No new splits from me, been cooking up a storm all day, and now want to kill strogg for a while, for some relaxation!
Will be back later
Neil
- 1,111
- SHigSpeed
New splits...
T1: 19.072 (why O why can't I get below 19.000?)
T2: 36.737
T3: Took off another 0.05" but am leaving at least 0.2 on the track somewhere... 0.05" between T1 and T2, and another 0.15 T2-Finish.
-SHig
P.S. Here's my setup:
BB 4/4
Springs 7.0/4.0
RH 78/78
Shocks 4/8 Fr - 4/8 Rr
Camber 2.5/1.0
Toe 0/0
Stab 4/3
Aids 0/0/0
DF 30/30
LSD 5/5/5 Fr/Rr
VCD 10
Most people can't wrangle a car I set up (too tail-happy) so YMMV!
-SHig
T1: 19.072 (why O why can't I get below 19.000?)
T2: 36.737
T3: Took off another 0.05" but am leaving at least 0.2 on the track somewhere... 0.05" between T1 and T2, and another 0.15 T2-Finish.
-SHig
P.S. Here's my setup:
BB 4/4
Springs 7.0/4.0
RH 78/78
Shocks 4/8 Fr - 4/8 Rr
Camber 2.5/1.0
Toe 0/0
Stab 4/3
Aids 0/0/0
DF 30/30
LSD 5/5/5 Fr/Rr
VCD 10
Most people can't wrangle a car I set up (too tail-happy) so YMMV!
-SHig
- 1,326
- Orange County C
- GTP_Im_Sorry
Earlier in the week I got these splits:
T1 19.600
T2 38.608
Then I spent a whole afternoon tweaking and fiddling and ended up a whole second slower. Ugh! I think I might have to back to the default settings and slowly start adjusting things again, but I don't know if I will have the time. I will probably just end up with the time I have now
This is in the Golf R32 BTW
T1 19.600
T2 38.608
Then I spent a whole afternoon tweaking and fiddling and ended up a whole second slower. Ugh! I think I might have to back to the default settings and slowly start adjusting things again, but I don't know if I will have the time. I will probably just end up with the time I have now
This is in the Golf R32 BTW
- 2,342
- Camboriu - Braz
- FASJ6418
had less than an hour in this one, but i´m happy with the results...
tried the golf just because i love golf´s
T1 - 19´161 (best was 18´9)
T2 - 37´049 (best was 36´8, but that with a 19´2 split, so, lots of room here)
looks like i´m not that far off kart, KLR, shig and minor, so might be a good week...
i hope i get at least one hour on monday...
but, i know holl and curtis will show up in the last moment with some crazy 36´2 or so to make me feel slow...
lets see...
2 in a row steve???
tried the golf just because i love golf´s
T1 - 19´161 (best was 18´9)
T2 - 37´049 (best was 36´8, but that with a 19´2 split, so, lots of room here)
looks like i´m not that far off kart, KLR, shig and minor, so might be a good week...
i hope i get at least one hour on monday...
but, i know holl and curtis will show up in the last moment with some crazy 36´2 or so to make me feel slow...
lets see...
2 in a row steve???
- 616
@fasj- I would be extremely lucky to get 2 in a row. Realistically, anyone that's on the board at 36.9 and under has a shot right now. The final section being the most fickle and demanding on the track, it all comes down to who finishes best.
I pulled an ok final sector on my lap, but I know that I lost .1 there. If SHig didn't lose that .1, he's in the lead right now. Or maybe kart or KLR just annhilated the last, and we are all running for second......Whatever, it's a lot of fun with so many so close. 👍
@Neil and SHig- Thanks for the replies. It's something like the discussion in the Chat thread Neil. But I have been able to dial a lot of it out by doing what SHig said, which is lift and soften especially the front end. It really isn't a big deal, just kind of irritating in that my timing gets thrown off now and again. Interesting thought about the actual construction of the rumble Neil. Could it be that at a certain angle of attack or approach the rumble acts as a stairs? Very observant. It very well could be, because I only notice it on certain rumbles. Not all of them.
I pulled an ok final sector on my lap, but I know that I lost .1 there. If SHig didn't lose that .1, he's in the lead right now. Or maybe kart or KLR just annhilated the last, and we are all running for second......Whatever, it's a lot of fun with so many so close. 👍
@Neil and SHig- Thanks for the replies. It's something like the discussion in the Chat thread Neil. But I have been able to dial a lot of it out by doing what SHig said, which is lift and soften especially the front end. It really isn't a big deal, just kind of irritating in that my timing gets thrown off now and again. Interesting thought about the actual construction of the rumble Neil. Could it be that at a certain angle of attack or approach the rumble acts as a stairs? Very observant. It very well could be, because I only notice it on certain rumbles. Not all of them.
- 1,111
- SHigSpeed
MinorShunt@fasj- I would be extremely lucky to get 2 in a row. Realistically, anyone that's on the board at 36.9 and under has a shot right now. The final section being the most fickle and demanding on the track, it all comes down to who finishes best.
I pulled an ok final sector on my lap, but I know that I lost .1 there. If SHig didn't lose that .1, he's in the lead right now. Or maybe kart or KLR just annhilated the last, and we are all running for second......Whatever, it's a lot of fun with so many so close. 👍
@Neil and SHig- Thanks for the replies. It's something like the discussion in the Chat thread Neil. But I have been able to dial a lot of it out by doing what SHig said, which is lift and soften especially the front end. It really isn't a big deal, just kind of irritating in that my timing gets thrown off now and again. Interesting thought about the actual construction of the rumble Neil. Could it be that at a certain angle of attack or approach the rumble acts as a stairs? Very observant. It very well could be, because I only notice it on certain rumbles. Not all of them.
I don't think you have anything to worry about my current fast time, Minor. I lost 0.12" or so to my fast last sector on my current hot lap so you're still good. I know I'll be flogging the monkeys tomorrow night though! Hope my wife doesn't feel left out... ;^)
As for your rumble phenomenon, I actually loaded up your settings on the TT and ran a few laps and think I had it happen on the fast right after T1. Very weird! Glad to hear that you were able to dial some of it out.
It's been an entirely entertaining week. Even if I don't piece together those 0.2" that I KNOW I have or more tomorrow night, it's been a blast!
Cyril! Props to you for finding a combo with such amazing parity between cars. I fully expected to see one car be above and beyond better (remember the R390?) but that's obviously not the case.
Still not done...
-SHig
- 2,670
- Portland, OR
- GTP_KLR142
Well, for what it's worth, I know I'm not currently running anywhere near the top... From some of Shig's older splits, still above 37, I was a full .2 behind him at the finish. My current fastest lap really isn't as fast as it appears. I'm hoping to fix that tonight though, as I'm just now finally going to sit down like I was planning on doing yesterday, to try and improve on it.
Definitely mad props Cyril on finding something SO AWESOME. The sound of the A3 in stock form is amazing too... My friend and I hopped into these cars for some 2 player this afternoon, love them!
Ok, time to buckle down... 👍
Definitely mad props Cyril on finding something SO AWESOME. The sound of the A3 in stock form is amazing too... My friend and I hopped into these cars for some 2 player this afternoon, love them!
Ok, time to buckle down... 👍
- 2,670
- Portland, OR
- GTP_KLR142
*sigh* .069 faster at the finish, and about .15+ slower at T1 and T2... Struggling to get a decent T1 tonight... Was struggling to get a decent T2, and then I got two 36.8xx, and two 36.9xx, but each time managed to take one or both of the following turns too slow. How crappy! Considering I'm mostly doing 37.1xxs at T2, and 19.1-2xxs at T1. ARGH!!!!!!
Hopefully I'll have it in me tomorrow.
But, in the meantime, for people who REALLY want to get rid of that lift-off/brake induced oversteer on the A3, here's the solution, can't believe I didn't think of it earlier... Instead of having the LSD Decel at 5, BUMP IT UP!!! Moving it to 10 made a noticeable difference(in both front and rear differentials), and I have even been driving it around a bit with it at 50! I can't tell if it's hurting my times or helping my times, but it definitely makes for some more consistence. Much more stable under braking. Try it, I don't know how I want it quite yet, it seems to make it harder to get a good going around the turn before the sharp left into the tunnel before T2, but that may just be my tiredness. I unno. Something to think about though. GNIGHT!
Hopefully I'll have it in me tomorrow.
But, in the meantime, for people who REALLY want to get rid of that lift-off/brake induced oversteer on the A3, here's the solution, can't believe I didn't think of it earlier... Instead of having the LSD Decel at 5, BUMP IT UP!!! Moving it to 10 made a noticeable difference(in both front and rear differentials), and I have even been driving it around a bit with it at 50! I can't tell if it's hurting my times or helping my times, but it definitely makes for some more consistence. Much more stable under braking. Try it, I don't know how I want it quite yet, it seems to make it harder to get a good going around the turn before the sharp left into the tunnel before T2, but that may just be my tiredness. I unno. Something to think about though. GNIGHT!
- 603
- South Africa
- david_perel
I managed too improve my lap time.
First sector was 18.96
2nd was 36.71
I have seen 18.8 and a 36.6.
Using the A3. I love it.
First sector was 18.96
2nd was 36.71
I have seen 18.8 and a 36.6.
Using the A3. I love it.
- 9,732
- Portland, OR
- Jump_Ace
- JUMPxACE
Went go-karting yesterday and found out exactly why my back has bruises on it. There seems to be little silver 'dome plate' things that look likey they are meant to cover up screws holding the seat in place. Well since I am UNGODLY skinny my bony back kept rubbing those cover things in just about every turn. but most of the karts apparently are cushioned, just not all of them; lucky me..lol. Haven't spent more than an hour and a half on this weeks race...meh. I'll try and spend some time on this NOS race coming up IF its fun. And as fas as settings go....I tried SHig's settings and um, not quite for me. I'll just submit my current time I guess and concentrate on my rally series. Very surprised to see Cutris in my 'realm'...lol. But then again I'm no 'setup God' like KLR and Holl01.
jump_ace
jump_ace
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
OK guys and gals, this mite seem a little strange, but..........
Still in the Golf,
I have reset the suspension to stock,
and then dropped the front springs by 1 to 7.4kgt/mm,
dropped the rear ride hight by 5mm to 84
left everything else stock
Then i set the brake balance to........wait for it! wait for it!
1 at the front and 2 at the rear
Auto gears 12
Downforce at 30 front and 15 rear!
Diff's at 5/5/5 for both
And hit
T1 19.384,
which i know is pants, but i can't find the .3 to match others
T2 37.545,
which puts me second in Div 2(according to the board) AND faster than HotBoi for the moment!
So they are right, there is a first time for everything
WOOT!
The 'odd' brake settings mean i can plant the left foot for the first corner no problem, and for the right before the tunnel it induces a nice slide, but for the rest it reduces the inclination for the front to dive under braking and keeps the car stable when all i want is a 'dab' of brakes to make the corner.
I have seen a 37.427 but screwed up the final corner by braking too much and ending up drifting round the first half which killed my speed to the line!
Strange settings i know, but they work! For me at least!
Now all i need is for Nat to update the board, quick! Then i can rest easy cos for a change i will be in a fantastic position (for me) with only one day to go!
Neil
Still in the Golf,
I have reset the suspension to stock,
and then dropped the front springs by 1 to 7.4kgt/mm,
dropped the rear ride hight by 5mm to 84
left everything else stock
Then i set the brake balance to........wait for it! wait for it!
1 at the front and 2 at the rear
Auto gears 12
Downforce at 30 front and 15 rear!
Diff's at 5/5/5 for both
And hit
T1 19.384,
which i know is pants, but i can't find the .3 to match othersT2 37.545,
which puts me second in Div 2(according to the board) AND faster than HotBoi for the moment! So they are right, there is a first time for everything
WOOT!
The 'odd' brake settings mean i can plant the left foot for the first corner no problem, and for the right before the tunnel it induces a nice slide, but for the rest it reduces the inclination for the front to dive under braking and keeps the car stable when all i want is a 'dab' of brakes to make the corner.
I have seen a 37.427 but screwed up the final corner by braking too much and ending up drifting round the first half which killed my speed to the line!
Strange settings i know, but they work! For me at least!
Now all i need is for Nat to update the board, quick! Then i can rest easy cos for a change i will be in a fantastic position (for me) with only one day to go!
Neil
- 2,342
- Camboriu - Braz
- FASJ6418
ballstothewallOK guys and gals, this mite seem a little strange, but..........
Still in the Golf,
I have reset the suspension to stock,
and then dropped the front springs by 1 to 7.4kgt/mm,
dropped the rear ride hight by 5mm to 84
left everything else stock
Then i set the brake balance to........wait for it! wait for it!
1 at the front and 2 at the rear
Auto gears 12
Downforce at 30 front and 15 rear!
Diff's at 5/5/5 for both
And hit
T1 19.384,
T2 37.545,
So they are right, there is a first time for everything
WOOT!
The 'odd' brake settings mean i can plant the left foot for the first corner no problem, and for the right before the tunnel it induces a nice slide, but for the rest it reduces the inclination for the front to dive under braking and keeps the car stable when all i want is a 'dab' of brakes to make the corner.
I have seen a 37.427 but screwed up the final corner by braking too much and ending up drifting round the first half which killed my speed to the line!
Strange settings i know, but they work! For me at least!
Now all i need is for Nat to update the board, quick! Then i can rest easy cos for a change i will be in a fantastic position (for me) with only one day to go!
Neil
yes, this week is very different... i feel like i can win if i get an extra 0´3 or so...
but, i´m thinking that they will get it, the aliens are just making fool of us, they will show up in the last day... until a further post breaking my heart, i can dream with a great finish...
i don´t think a lot of guys broke the minute barrier...
- 1,111
- SHigSpeed
jump_ace
Setup Gods? I think I tend to do better in GT mode races because the "Setup Gods" at PD have lame baseline settings! Also, the public domain settings that float around never really suit me. So let me guess, my settings make the car an evil handful that'll swap ends if you blink more than twice a lap?
Well, that's how I roll!Heh... Maybe I'm posting "decoy" settings to throw you fast guys off the scent!
I officially vote for more (or ALL!) GT mode races, and if they are as diverse yet even as this week, multi-car events as well.
-SHig
Tedehur
Staff Emeritus
- 4,322
- France
- Z spec
ballstothewall
So need I.
My technique so far is :
- hard braking just before 50m sign ;
- slightly turn right to drift and point the front end towards the curve exit ;
- back on the gas as soon as possible (120 km/h on the rumble at the outside) ;
That results in 19.3 only, but I the key is the speed at the start, not the way you take turn #1.
BTW, I hope you guys (and gals) take care of keeping 2 wheels on the tarmac or rumble strip. Those wide concrete areas behind the rumble strips are so tempting... but off track.
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
It would be nice if the 'original' suspensions from the tuning cars bit, were available for all cars too!
They seem to have a better baseline setup than the full custom suspensions normally available.
In GT3 it was fairly easy to set up a car, stiffen,lower,tighten the rollbars,put the brakes up to 80/75%, race!
Now it's a ball-ache just because the stock setting are so far from what you 'normally' need, that it takes ages to find a good setup.
I mean, if you put in a racing suspension, you would expect it to be stiffer and lower as standard, not soft,soggy and almost as bad as the stock parts.
In R/L you wouldn't expect to pay out good money for a decent suspension and then spend months making adjustments to see and improvement, it would BE an improvement 'out-of-the-box' and then slight tweaks to get it how you want it........wouldn't it?
JMO
Neil
They seem to have a better baseline setup than the full custom suspensions normally available.
In GT3 it was fairly easy to set up a car, stiffen,lower,tighten the rollbars,put the brakes up to 80/75%, race!
Now it's a ball-ache just because the stock setting are so far from what you 'normally' need, that it takes ages to find a good setup.
I mean, if you put in a racing suspension, you would expect it to be stiffer and lower as standard, not soft,soggy and almost as bad as the stock parts.
In R/L you wouldn't expect to pay out good money for a decent suspension and then spend months making adjustments to see and improvement, it would BE an improvement 'out-of-the-box' and then slight tweaks to get it how you want it........wouldn't it?
JMO
Neil
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
flat-out
I take it you mean the concrete to the left on exit turn one, and left of the rumble in the middle of the final corner? ( i take the two final rights as one with a continuous line through them both)
If so, then yes!
Neil
- 603
- South Africa
- david_perel
jump_ace
Speaking of karting.
Here is a pic of me in my kart:
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
You know, Cyril,
Run a side score of how many cones are taken out in the lap too, there is a lovely line over the crest of the hill after T1 that if done right you can kill all of the cones AND still keep 2 on track!
J/K
Neil
Run a side score of how many cones are taken out in the lap too, there is a lovely line over the crest of the hill after T1 that if done right you can kill all of the cones AND still keep 2 on track!
J/K
Neil
- 603
- South Africa
- david_perel
Ok hang on.
You are allowed to hit cones? Since when has this rule been allowed (I havent been OLR'ing for a looong while)
And why is the concrete on the outside of the curbing not considered track?!?! I RL that would be very much usable.
You are allowed to hit cones? Since when has this rule been allowed (I havent been OLR'ing for a looong while)
And why is the concrete on the outside of the curbing not considered track?!?! I RL that would be very much usable.
- 2,756
- Carlisle,Cumbria,England!
- Ballstothewall1
kart.no.38
The rules are, if Flat doesn't mind me jumping in,
2 wheels on or over tarmac or rumble-strip at ALL times.
The concrete outside of the rumble-strips is not track, it's there so that you can run wide with 2 wheels and not go screwy, that's all.
Neil
